Conference yukon::christian_v7

Church of Boston sounds like you met up with some Boston Church of Christ
affiliates, now known as the International Church of Christ.  They
believe that each church is known by its city, such as "the church at 
Ephesus," or the "church at Corinth."  As I think about it, they are not
the only ones who hold this persuasion, but the modus operandi (grocery store
contacts) fits the BCC well.

There are thousands of replies of information in the previous conference.
And I do not have interest in opening upanother thousand replies on the
subject of the BCC (ICC).

As for those who have the least chance of being saved:  those who
do not believe according to what has been written.  It is not 
church organization-dependent.

Mark

RE: Glen - Note 278.0                      Church of Boston 2               

>>When asking him about people who
>>are or could be saved he pretty much said the same thing as what is stated in
>>here (for the "how to"), but he did mention that one group that has the least
>>chance of being saved are the Catholics. 

Glen, I submit to you that this is the crux of the BCC's error in their outlook
on eternal matters.  The statement above affirms the tight grasp those poor
members are in bondage to, namely, churchianity.  To say a whole denomination
has the least chance of being saved is implying that God judges by what we do,
i.e. this church is lukewarm so they may not be saved but this church over here
worships idols therefore they have the least chance of getting saved.
Remember in the gospels, those who stood before the Father asked, "...Did we 
not cast out demons and prophesy in your name?"  What was Jesus response?
"Verily Verily I say, I never knew you."  Yes, even to those who do evangelism
and discipleship in the name of a church, they too will face the Judgement 
Seat of God.  God will judge them only on the basis of what Christ did and how
they respond to it.  You should have asked the apparently young convert if 
his name is written in the Lambs Book of Life and what makes him so sure?

>>I asked him why he thought this and he
>>said it had to do with their practices not equaling the Bible,

Neither does that of the BCC.

>>the things they
>>have done in the past that have hurt people, etc. 

So does this mean Paul the Apostle was condemned for his early persecution of
the Church?  I pray this young convert gets some quality discipleship!! 

-Jack
                                                    

   re: 278.2 <AIMHI::JMARTIN>

       Like Mark, I to am not interested in opening up a new discussion on the
   BCC.  However, I remain available to answer any questions on BCC.  Glen has
   yet to even confirm that the "Church of Boston" he reference is even the
   same as the BCC.  That being said, I think that Jack prematurely applied
   Glen's comments about the "Church of Boston" to the BCC.  However, since he
   has, I would like to correct some misrepresentations on his part.  As a
   long-time member of the BCC, I think I can speak more authoritatively on
   this subject.

   glen>>When asking him about people who are or could be saved he pretty much
   glen>>said the same thing as what is stated in here (for the "how to"), but
   glen>>he did mention that one group that has the least chance of being
   glen>>saved are the Catholics.
   >
   jack>Glen, I submit to you that this is the crux of the BCC's error in
   jack>their outlook on eternal matters...To say a whole denomination has the
   jack>least chance of being saved is implying that God judges by what we do,

       It is not the policy of the BCC to condemn church by denomination.  Not
   that that is beyond any member of the BCC to speak that way; he would be
   speaking for himself.  We believe that people will be judged individually
   according to the Word of God and not according to which Church their were
   affiliated with.  We believe that those who will be saved are those who, by
   the Word of God, have come to have true, biblical faith in God by believing
   that Jesus is the Son of God and that God raised Him from the dead and who
   submits to the Lordship of Jesus by repenting of thier sins and being
   baptized in water for the forgiveness of their sins and to receive the gift
   of the Holy Spirit.  We believe that anyone (catholic, baptist, nazarine,
   methodist, atheist, etc...) who comes to God UNDER HIS TERMS spelled out
   for us in the Bible will be saved.

   >God will judge them only on the basis of what Christ did and how they
   >respond to it.

       Exactly.

   glen>>I asked him why he thought this and he said it had to do with their
   glen>>practices not equaling the Bible,

       Sounds like the right answer to me...not as applied to the Catholic
   church, but as applied universally to anyone.

   Just setting the misrepresentations straight...going back to read-only mode
   In Christ,
   Tony

    It is clear that Tony Balsamo does not want to become involved in
    another string of discussions regarding the Boston Church of Christ. 
    Rather than re-state various views with regard to the Boston Church of
    Christ, and what Tony entered in reply .3, I would encourage anyone
    with questions to review the relevant notes in past versions of this
    conference on node ATLANA::
      CHRISTIAN_V2 note 358
      CHRISTIAN_V4 note 907
      CHRISTIAN_V6 note 574
    The note in _V6 contains an extensive discussion, both from the Boston
    Church of Christ point of view, and from those that disagree.

    Mark L.

    Tony:
    
    The BCC needs to reinforce the teaching to young disciples that God
    does not judge by the organization or church (ecclesia), but that it is
    done on an individual basis.  I have heard this misconception from
    other young in the faith converts from the BCC.
    
    Glen, as a biblical example, I call to your attention the Church of
    Pergamos in Revelation 2.  This is referred to as a synagogue for Satan,
    yet Antipas was the one faithful martyr of the church.  Members of the
    local church may have been nonbelievers and condemned, yet Antipas
    was saved.  To be fair, the inference of somebody stating a Roman
    Catholic has the least chance of getting saved is a hasty
    generalization, but not necessarily the position of the BCC but many of
    their young converts.  In fact, hasty generalizations are made by many
    denominations, fair enough?  
    
    -Jack  

    Right Jack.
    
    Knew you were reading, Tony.  Will reserve other comment.

	Mark, I wasn't going to start a thousand+ reply, just wanted
clarification on what was said.

	Tony, I received and responded to your mail Thanks for sending it. 

	Jack, you seemed to have fit your image of the BCC very well with this
person. They are almost exact. But thanks to Tony it looks like this is the
individual's viewpoint and not the churches, which is what I wanted to find out
anyway. 



Glen

Channel 5 reports:

A young woman has just returned from Spain just days after her mother
threatened to bring kidnapping charges against the Boston Church of
Christ.

She apparently made an urgent request when she appeared at the U.S.
embassy in Madrid that she _not_ fly through Boston on the way back
to her parents' home in Detroit.

/john