Conference yukon::christian_v7

    Hi Lisa... you came up in my phone call from Dan Ducat last night!
    
    :-)
    
    And... sorry but I've never seen such a t-shirt.  Maybe you could have
    one of those custom t-shirt places do it up for you?
    
    Nancy

    Good day.....  I had this thought for some time, but hadn't let it go
    futher than that.  There's a saying that goes there's never a dumb
    question.   I ask this question for I have been wondering how should I,
    or other Christians, stands are of this. So I ask, in Love. 
    I know that the Bible shares about how one thing can be a stumbling
    block to one and not to another. For example, you might have a decked
    out Licoln Town Car and you have no problem owning it. That is, it
    don't make you stumble with your walk (becomes a god/idol, using it in
    the wrong way, ect.). But to this other person, it is a stumbling block
    and there walk wavers. There are some things that I call "personal
    Choice" area. For like music. Some can listen to (even though being
    selective to various songs) top 40, Soul, ect and not be affected
    inregards to their walk. Some will say I don't, so you shouldn't. So
    this is why I say that some things are  personal choice areas, and that
    it is between the person and God (let each workout there own salvation).
    
    	The question is that should we be wearing things that resembles so
    very close to worldly symbols?  There's the bud, coors, crossbones, biker,
    ect logos. At first, to few, glances it 'appears' to be that wordly logo. 
    But up closer, then it is noticed that it has some kind of Christian
    saying(s). Should we, Christians, wear something that looks so much
    like one thing and tag on a verse/saying to it?  Are we just using
    these things cuz that's whaz up and alter it a bit to make it a
    "Christian" shirt?   Or is just okay?
    The first impression that we see is what it looks so closly like, so our
    minds go to that before we realize it's not.
    	There are creative, cool shirts out there that don't use logos that
    are altered a bit here and there to make a statement. 
                            
    
       +-+-+ Any thoughts to this? +-+-+
                                                     ~Rich~
                                         

I'm a T-shirt nut and have been for thirty years. I find that the more worldly 
a shirt looks the more questions and inquires I get which equates to oppertunities
to share Jesus. Reguardless of what you do or do not do you will always be a 
stumbling block to someone. Jesus said that the Word would cause many to be 
hated for his name sake. Every time someone asks about my t's, they walk away
with a seed. It is said that on average a person is presented with the Gospel
5 times prior to conversion. Lord let me be anyone of those five. I feel even
the Religious that walk away in disgust, walk away with the seed of "why am I 
embarrassed in the presentation of Jesus. The hardest hitting statment I have
ever faced has been the folks who have stated "Oh, I didn't know you were a 
Christian." T's? I love them. 

Dave

 Amen, Dave!




 I saw one the other day that showed a nail pierced hand with the
 legend "His pain, your gain".  I couldn't catch up with the guy to
 compliment him though.  


 Saw another one that had what appeared to be the logo of a popular 
 alcoholic beveraged that said "Bud Wise up" with couple of lines about
 the Saviour's sacrifice..



 I am also a big T shirt fan, though admittedly I don't have any Christian
 T shirts.  My favorite T shirt was given to me by some friends before I
 recommitted my life to Christ.  Its a picture of a 1929 Henderson motorcycle
 and underneath it says "The New Henderson".  I've had a couple people ask
 me what the new Henderson is, and I gladly tell them :-)





Jim

    I saw a great T-shirt last week (probably came from the west coast) for
    something like Andrew's (or maybe it was Simon Peter's) Fishing
    Company.  Had a bunch of interesting text on it.
    
    Mark L.

	Lisa,

	I know I saw that shirt at the Burning Bush in Westboro
	a month or two ago.  Have you tried there yet ?

	Karen

re .4

Jim 
The front of that shirt is a picture of Jesus doing a push-up with the cross
on his back. The inscription on the cross it "The Sins of the World"
and above that is Bench Press This! Its a great T.

Dave

re.7

	I dunno.

	I mean if we don't sanctify the Lord's name and person, who remains
that will???

	I don't have a good feeling about it in my spirit.

ace

not am I sanctifying his name or not. It is, will I make every effort to proclame
the name of Jesus Christ in any way I can for the bennifit of the one not the 99.
I'd act the fool and lick a spark plug if I thought it would lead another into a
relationship with Jesus. Jesus himself said that he did not come for the
righteous but for the lost. I have to be in the world to throw the line of
salvation, but I am called not to be of the world. Jesus, in his time, constantly
went against the norms for a Rabbi. But he chose to do what he saw the Father do.
I find T's a good ice breaker in a non religious croud. I have never had a non
Christian come up to me and say " Thats a great 3 piece suit you have on and by
the way what translation of the Bible do you have there." My method however, and
thank God, is not the only way to reach the lost. It's just one way. And your
right for the most part loud T's are a stumbling block to the righteous. But then
again so was Jesus. I feel i'm in pretty good company.

Dave

	re.9

	You might be right. I think I put you on the defensive and I assure
you that was not my intention. If you have the peace to wear that, then 
I'll iron it for you!

It's just the description of that particular T you mentioned made me think of
Lord's work on the cross as a common thing. You know bringing it down though
with good intentions. Perhaps it doesn't strike anyone else that way, but it
did me. 

	BUt then again I'm wondering, how many people have been won to the
Lord as a result of wearing such a shirt? I mean is it really effective?

regards,
ace

thanks for being concerned. My way is not everyones way and I thank God for that.
It would be a boring life if everyone did it the same. 

How many folks have come to the Lord because of T's? Hard to say. But if it was
just one, it would be worth it. Jesus would have still gone to the cross even if
he knew it was just one that would be saved because of it. 

I also have three piece suits with real button suspenders. But I only wear them
when it is required. I'm a T and Lee kinda guy and I do try not to offend, but
I would much rather offend a person down here than weep for the lost prior to
entering into the kingdom. I also take to heart the passage "and this is the 
meaning of eternal life. That we may know God and his Son whome he has sent." I
want to enjoy God here on earth to the fullest and this is one of the ways I do
it. 

Dave

    
    Karen,
    
    My first stop was the Burning Bush in Westboro.  They do not have it.
    They can't even find it in any of their catalogs to order it for me.  
    A friend has one and he got it from Calvary Chapel in Wichita, Kansas.
                                        
    #24

The shirt originally described looks like it has a Harley Davison logo but 
instead says "Heavenly Divine Son" (back of shirt).  Underneath it it says "Worship
the Best or Die Like the Rest"  I'm a junior high youth leader and the kids
love the shirt.  It is manufactured by a company called "Living Epistles".  I 
regularly get shirts from them and can post the address and telephone number if
is interested.  BTW:  They also produce "The Lord's Gym  ... His Pain, Your Gain"
T shirt as well.

-Marc

    
    I saw a neat T-Shirt at a picnic last Sunday. It was one of the ones
    sold in Denver during the Pope's visit. It is a takeoff on a 
    common Reebok (or Nike?) slogan. The shirt said "Life is Short -
    Pray Hard"
    
    	Bob

I like some T-shirts and not come others. I saw a great one recently that from a 
distance said ROCK and ROLL in big lettering.  When you got nearer you saw the 
smaller words in between so it said "I've got my foot on the ROCK and my name 
on the ROLL". It was a good reminder to me, too!

Can anyone tell us right-hand-side-of-Pond-ers where to buy Ts with Christian 
designs in the UK or Continental Europe, please?

God bless,		Richard.

� Can anyone tell us right-hand-side-of-Pond-ers where to buy Ts with Christian 
� designs in the UK or Continental Europe, please?

I've had adverts with Hosanna! music listings, and I've seen teh 'feet on 
the ROCK and name on the ROLL one too .... My partner wore that when we 
were doing outreach at the Reading Rock festival last year...  I'll have to 
ask him (again) where he got it...

And I need to mail you too...!

								Andrew

    Try 
    
    	LIFESTYLE DESIGNS
    	Box No. A1,
    	Units 2-6 Betws Park Workshops,
    	Ammanford, SA18 2ET
    	U.K.
    
    	Phone [44]- (0)269-591055 (09:00- 17:00 Mon-Fri)
    

    and this arrived in the post yesterday...
    
    
    THE RAINBOW COMPANY
    Lottbridge Dove,
    Eastbourne,
    East Sussex BN23 6NT
    
    Tel: 0323 410925
    Fax: 0323 411970
    
    

    I saw a shirt the otherday that was getting lots of attention. A young
    lady had a shirt that on the front said in huge letters
    
    DON'T
    FIGHT
    NAKED
    
    On the back it had the diagram of the full armour of God, I'm sure she
    was able to explain this to lots of people.
    
    I approve of T shirts as an icebreaker, but remember, when you are
    wearing a T-shirt (Like mine that says Promise Keepers - Men of
    Integrity).  You are advertising you are a Christian, and non
    Christians will be very critical of what you are doing.  
    
    So don't yell and shake your fist at someone who cuts you off on the
    Freeway, don't be impatient in a long line in the grocery store,
    remember when you advertise, you have to be that much more careful to
    show the world that you really are different.
    
    By the same token, If you are wearing the shirt, and are patient,
    charitable, and honest, people will know why and this will make a big
    impact.
    
    Glenn

    Note .21 has been hidden by a moderator, in accordance with the policy
    outlined in note 1.4
    
    Mark L. co-mod

    Well, rather than go read only (my daughter deserves better than that),
    I desided to *ATTEMPT* to make my reply (the one that was hidden) a bit
    more *politically correct*... I hope this version meets policy! Read
    on, after the form feed.
    
    In Christ!
    
    Bob
    
    Glenn,

    I agree with what you say...

    Lately, my daughter had been asking *lots* of questions about her 
    sexuality and such... In some cases defending the views opposite those 
    she would know to be proper.

    We (her parents and youth minister) were getting confused... Because my
    daughter *knows* her Bible, and what it says about the subject....

    Well, to make a long story short, one theory we have come to is, she
    wears "Christian" T-shirts *all the time* to school.. Well, we're
    guessing (because we haven't finished investigating) that other
    students, perhaps some who support an opposing view, are harassing 
    my daughter and attempting to forcefully change her beliefs on the 
    subject...

    We are still looking into this. The guidance councilor at school is
    monitoring those who approach my daughter. The school psychologist will
    also be talking with her, to see if some of this information can be
    drawn out of my daughter...

    Meanwhile, we have requested that she *NOT* where those T-shirts, until
    this problem subsides..... She has chosen *NOT* to take this advise.
    Which is OK with us, as long as she understands what these other
    students are attempting to do....
    
    So, beware of what you advertise on your t-shirts....
    
    Bob
    


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    But did you have to drag my name into the matter? :-) :-)
    
    Mark

    
    anyone have the 800 number for "Living Epistles" ?
    
    I had 800-874-4290, but it isn't right.
    
    I think they are having a sale that ends today.
    
    Post here and forward it to me, please.
    
    thanks!
    

    Hi,
    
    the number I have is 800-635-3128
    
    Pam