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Conference yukon::christian_v7

Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Notice:Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165
Moderator:ICTHUS::YUILLEON
Created:Tue Feb 16 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:962
Total number of notes:42902

118.0. "Guilt" by TOKNOW::METCALFE (Eschew Obfuscatory Monikers) Mon Apr 26 1993 13:42

  Guilt.

  I've heard several people describe their upbringing in religious
  organizations as having been based on guilt feelings.  And I
  discovered for some, this was more than humorous anecdotes of
  childhood but actual impaction on their lives.

  Modern society has chosen to deal with the guilt feelings,
  stemming largely from these childhood persuasions of religion.
  But modern society, especially through psychology, has thrown the
  baby out with the bath water, dismissing all guilt.

  There are several kinds of guilt.  One is the condition of guilt
  which is complete devoid and separate from feelings.  It doesn't
  matter how anyone feels, a person is either guilty or innocent.
  Another kind is the guilt we feel, a "remorseful awareness of
  having done something wrong."

  Dealing with guilt feelings, we need to understand the difference
  between "appropriate guilt" and "inappropriate guilt."
  Appropriate guilt should be felt when we do something wrong.
  Inappropriate guilt is felt because we think we [may] have done
  something wrong, when in fact we have not.

  Psychology tends to paint all guilt as inappropriate guilt,
  especially by saying that there is almost nothing that is *wrong*
  to feel guilty about.  This is the message of moral relativism: we
  define right and wrong and therefore if something is "right for
  us," there is no need nor room for guilt feelings.

  But this is not something the Christian needs to be involved in.
  A properly balanced person feels guilt when something wrong is
  done.  An unbalanced person has his conscience desensitized
  (seared).  And we have desensitizing influences all around us.

  The fact is, we are ALL guilty.  "All have sinned and come short
  of the glory of God."  We cannot be made innocent; we can only be
  declares "not guilty" by reason of pardon.   "The wages of sin is
  death, but the gift of God is eternal life."  Eternal life is a
  gift not meeting with out just desserts.

  So how do we know which wrongdoings we've done (guilt condition)
  for which to feel remorse (guilt feeling)?  You cannot know unless
  you have an Absolute Morality (See note 31.*) as a point of
  reference: "for by the law is the knowledge of sin.  But now the
  righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being
  witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of
  God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them
  that believe: for there is no difference: - Romans 3:20b-22"  The
  Absolute Morality that was bound up in the law is based in the
  "righteousness of God" Who is the Absolute Authority.

  Getting close to God, (and He has provided a way for us to be
  intimate and personal with Him), will make us more sensitive to
  Right and Wrong, Good and Evil.  And we will (and should) feel
  guilty (because we are) when we do wrong, sinning against God
  first, and against others secondarily.

  Mark
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118.1CHTP00::CHTP05::LOVIKMark LovikMon Apr 26 1993 14:1033
    I have heard the two types of guilt described as being "real" and
    "imagined".  Real guilt is the result of doing wrong.  Imagined guilt
    is the result of thinking you have done wrong, when in actuality you
    have not.  (A good example of imagined guilt is where a child may think
    he/she is responsible for their parents' divorce.)
    
    Imagined guilt is remedied by recognizing it for what it is: imagined. 
    To come to this may require some measure of spiritual counsel (I am not
    an advocate of psychology) to understand where such feelings originate. 
    Real guilt must be remedied first by confession, and then by any other
    necessary steps of repentance and restoration (if another has been
    wronged, etc.)
    
    For both types of guilt, the answer lies in Christ.  If the guilt
    exists only in our thoughts (imagined), we are called to be "Casting
    down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against
    the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the
    obedience of Christ;" (2 Cor. 10:5)  For real guilt, "If we confess our
    sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us
    from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)
    
    A good conscience is important.  Without it, we will lack boldness and
    assurance.  A scan through the New Testament's use of "conscience" can
    be quite interresting.
    
    "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit
    offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead
    works to serve the living God?" (Heb. 9:14)
    
    "Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of
    a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:" (1 Tim. 1:5)
     
    Mark L.
118.2Guilt among the brethren...TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersMon Apr 26 1993 14:4950
Well said, Mark L.

                               ----

  Within Christian communities, guilt is sometimes misused as a
  bludgeon.  In the local church, where the whole body should be
  involve in different ministries, we see perhaps 20% of the local
  church doing 90% of the ministries.

  Now, sometimes we'll sometimes get the person who has been called
  into service [legitimately, by the Lord] to Nursing Home Ministries
  (for example).  A few things then happen: it becomes the most
  important ministry of the church (which, if it is this person's
  calling, it should be *to this person*).  Because it is so
  important, they want everyone to share the burden and ask others
  to join in their ministry.

  Now, several possibilities present themselves: (a) this is a person
  who DOES need to get involved in this ministry, (b) this is a
  person who is being used to perform another ministry (c) this is a
  person who is not involved in ministry but the Nursing Home is not
  the ministry.

  Persons (a) and (c) need to get involved in ministry.  Persons (b)
  and (c) should NOT get involved in Nursing Home ministries.
  Person (a) should feel guilty for saying "no".  Person (b) should
  NOT feel guilty for saying "no."  Person (c) should NOT feel
  guilty for saying "no" but should feel guilty if there is a
  ministry in which they know they should be involved.

  Again, we look for the balance, because the 20% of the church that
  does 90% of the work are the people who are often asked to do more
  and feel guilty for saying "no."  (Inappropriate guilt.)  On the
  other side of the pendulum swing, some people don't feel guilty
  about saying "no" (persons (a) and (c)).  This is inappropriate
  satisfaction with self ("I've learned to say 'no' without guilt
  even to things I should be saying 'yes' to." -- desensitized)

  The balance: each Christian is called to a personal relationship
  with God.  In other words, we need to be intimate with God.  When
  this is first and foremost ("seek ye first the kingdom of God..."
  "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."  "Love the Lord your
  God with all your heart, soul, and strength."), then we will know
  where He wants us to be, and it is more likely than not that
  everyone's ministry will be in *different* areas.  All are
  important; all are in obedience to the Lord.  And remember, the
  best that we can do is "filthy rags" - God makes it grow; don't
  give yourself that much credit.

Mark M.