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Conference yukon::christian_v7

Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Notice:Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165
Moderator:ICTHUS::YUILLEON
Created:Tue Feb 16 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:962
Total number of notes:42902

107.0. "Legalism" by LEDDEV::CAMUSO (alphabits) Mon Apr 12 1993 08:54

        First, permit me to thank you all for the challenges you have
        presented in note 86.  This exchange, though exhausting, has
        helped keep me in the Word of God, seeking His Truth.  It has also
        provided more impetus for prayer, for the brothers and sisters in
        this notes file, for any onlookers, and for myself.

        Second, let me ask forgiveness for any insensitivity I may
        have exhibited to foster my position.  I did not have to go far
        into scripture to find, "A soft answer turneth away wrath."
        
        If this topic has been addressed in a previous note, I ask the
        moderators to please forbear moving this entry, as it is
        contemporaneous with note 86 and focuses on the Legalism issues
        raised therein.
        
        It is important to study the seemingly incompatible doctrines of
        liberty and holiness, because many are the unsaved in the world
        who have studied the scripture for the sole purpose of exposing it
        as self-contradictory, ergo invalid.  Brothers and sisters, they
        will challenge us and mock us, unless we study to show ourselves
        approved (2 Timothy 2:15).
        
        Lord, in the precious name of Jesus, make us communicate with cool
        heads, warm hearts, open minds, and the guidance of Your Holy
        Spirit.  Amen.

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107.1IntroductionLEDDEV::CAMUSOalphabitsMon Apr 12 1993 08:5852
        The definition of Legalism, as I was taught in discipleship, is
        the belief that salvation is predicated upon obedience to the Law
        and/or adherance to ordinaces, rites, and observances.  It does
        not matter if said predication is in addition to or instead of the
        finished work of Jesus Christ, it is Legalist, it is wrong
        (Ephesians 2:8-9).
        
        It is not legalistic for a member of an assembly, with love and
        without hypocracy, to exhort or separate from an unrepentant
        brother or sister in violation of  scriptural doctrine (2
        Thessalonians 3:14-15, Galatians 6:1). Anyone with family knows
        that unconditional love can be confrontational (Matthew 23:13-33).
        
        However, if the assembly or any member thereof believes that
        salvation is based on adherance to law, moral or otherwise, and/or 
        admonishes another member accordingly, the Rubicon of Legalism has
        been crossed and that assembly or member is in error (Ephesians
        2:8-9).
        
        After we have accepted the precious gift of salvation, we need to
        progress along the path of spiritual growth and holiness, aspiring
        perfection (Matthew 5:48).  We should, by all means, avoid
        "majoring on the minors and minoring on the majors."  
        
        The majors are exposited by the overwhelming direction of
        scripture.  They can also be identified by those things that God
        has been shown in scripture to hold of great importance, and/or in
        the penalties meted to those who reject them.
        
        These are, belief in salvation by grace through faith in the
        finished work of Jesus Christ, continual worship of the one true
        God to the exclusion of all others, unconditional love for
        others, holiness, morality, modesty, humility, outreach,
        discipleship, tithing, and separation from the things of the world
        that would entice us away from these or otherwise compromise our
        testimony.  
        
        The minors are revealed in scripture as ordinances and practices
        that have no bearing on our testimony, and the Ceremonial Law,
        which was fullfilled in Jesus Christ.

        These are rites, rituals, observances of holydays, moons and
        sabbaths, dietary proscriptions, animal sacrifice, and other
        aspects of the Ceremonial Law.

        In the notes to follow, I'll attempt to address, to the best of my
        limited ability, passages that seem incongruent to the
        preponderance of holiness and separation doctrine in the bible and
        show that they are really invectives against "majoring on the
        minors."

107.2Mark 7:15LEDDEV::CAMUSOalphabitsMon Apr 12 1993 09:0033
        If one has a flu and another is well, and they spend some time
        together in close proximity, it is likely that the one who is
        well will catch the other's flu, not that the one with the flu will
        catch the other's wellness.  This is one way to look at God's
        reason for separation from the things of the world or that which
        is unwholesome.  As parents, you are dismayed when your children
        make bad associations, and rightly so.

        However Mark 7:15, taken out of context, seems to indicate that it
        is never association with the world that corrupts us, but only
        that we corrupt ourselves from within.  

          Mark 7:15
             There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him
             can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those
             are they that defile the man.
             
        If you read this verse in its context, Mark 7:1-23, you will see
        that it is actually a rejection of the disproportionate emphasis
        the Pharisees had come to place on their ritual washing, and, by
        extension, meaningless ritual in general, and dietary law.  Many
        are the religions today that base salvation, at least in part, on
        observance of ritual and/or dietary law.
             
        In Mark 7:19, Jesus indicates that He is talking about dietary Law
        when he makes the distinction between that which enters the belly
        and that which enters the heart.
        
          Mark 7:19
             Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly,
             and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

107.3Separation from the WorldLEDDEV::CAMUSOalphabitsMon Apr 12 1993 09:0277
        
	Below are listed just a few of the verses that would have to be
        discarded in order for Mark 7:15 to mean that we are safe from
        corruption by the things of the world.  
        
        For a more historical perspecitve, read in 1 Kings 21 the effects
        of the evil influence Jezebel had on Ahab.  In 1 Kings 22, read
        how Jehoshaphat barely escaped with his life in a misadventure
        with the corrupt Ahab in Ramoth Gilead.  
        
        These two stories and the verses below represent a tiny fraction
        of the scripture admonishing us to select our associations and
        enviroments with the study and wisdom of scripturual guidance and
        prayer.

          Psalms 101:2
             I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way. O when wilt
             thou come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect
             heart.

          Psalms 101:3
             I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work
             of them that turn aside; [it] shall not cleave to me.

          Psalms 101:4
             A froward heart shall depart from me: I will not know a
             wicked [person].

          Proverbs 9:6 
             Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of
             understanding.

          Proverbs 22:24 
             Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man
             thou shalt not go:

          2 Corinthians 6:14 
             Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:  for
             what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?  and
             what communion hath light with darkness?

          Psalms 26:4-5
             I have not sat with vain persons, neither will I go in with
             dissemblers.  I have hated the congregation of evil doers;
             and will not sit with the wicked.

          Psalms 119:113 
             SAMECH. I hate [vain] thoughts: but thy law do I love.

          Proverbs 6:24 
             To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the
             tongue of a strange woman.

          Romans 12:9 
             [Let] love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is
             evil; cleave to that which is good.

          Galatians 4:9 
             But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of
             God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements,
             whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

          Psalms 101:6 
             Mine eyes [shall be] upon the faithful of the land, that they
             may dwell with me: he that walketh in a perfect way, he shall
             serve me.

          Psalms 119:115 
             Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the
             commandments of my God.

          1 Kings 11:4 
             For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, [that] his wives
             turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not
             perfect with the LORD his God, as [was] the heart of David
             his father.

107.4Legalism at ColossusLEDDEV::CAMUSOalphabitsMon Apr 12 1993 09:0453
        It has been suggested that Colossians 2:16-23 presents a
        definition of Legalism.  Indeed, the practices disparaged in this
        passage are evident in Legalistic churches, but a church is not
        Legalist unless it bases salvation on these practices.  From the
        language in this passage, however, I believe that such was the
        case, at least in part, in the church at Colossus.
        
        Examination of this passage, in the context of the book in which
        it appears, shows that it is an invective against dietary
        prohibitions, specious ritual, and the worship of angels.  These
        errors still persist today and are the basis of many cults.
        
          Colossians 2:16
             Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in
             respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath
             days;
        
          Colossians 2:18
             Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility
             and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which
             he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind.

        Verses 20-22 specifically address dietary proscriptions, to wit:
        
          Colossians 2:20-2:22
             Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the
             world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to
             ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are
             to perish with the using;) after the commands and doctrines
             of men?
        
        However, in verse 2:23, Paul indicates that Hebrew dietary law can
        be used as a tool for spiritual growth.  
        
          Colossians 2:23
             Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship,
             and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honor
             to the satisfying of the flesh.
        
        It is inconsistent to use this passage to justify involvement with
        the things of the world and things that are shown to lead the
        just astray, against which much of the rest of scripture speaks.
        In fact, we only have to read the first few verses of the very
        next chapter in this book to see yet another iteration of holiness
        doctrine.
        
          Colossians 3:1-3
             If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are
             above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.  Set
             your affection on things above, not on things of the earth.
             For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

107.5Scriptural ClarificationLEDDEV::CAMUSOalphabitsMon Apr 12 1993 09:1079
        
        For those who believe Colossians 2:16-23 applies more generally,
        mitigating the doctrines of holiness and separation, and inferring
        that nobody can be moved in the Spirit to warn or reprove us, I
        offer the following exegetical refutation.  I particularly like
        the poetic expression of separation doctrine in Titus 2:14.

          Titus 2:12
             Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,
             we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this
             present world;

          Titus 2:14
             Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all
             iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous
             of good works.  
                     
          Titus 2:15
             These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all
             authority. Let no man despise thee.

          2 Thessalonians 3:14-15
             And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that
             man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
             Yet count [him] not as an enemy, but admonish [him] as a
             brother.

          Hebrews 3:13 
             But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest
             any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

          Leviticus 20:7 
             Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I [am] the
             LORD your God.

          1 Peter 1:15-16
             But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all
             manner of conversation;  
             Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.  
             
          Titus 2:6-7
             Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.  In all things
             showing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine
             [shewing] uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity.

          Matthew 5:48
             Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in
             heaven is perfect.

          Matthew 5:29,30
             And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it]
             from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy
             members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should
             be cast into hell.  And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it
             off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee
             that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy
             whole body should be cast into hell.

          Matthew 6:22,23
             The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be
             single, thy whole body shall be full of light.  But if thine
             eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If
             therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great
             [is] that darkness!

          Matthew 5:17,18
             Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:
             I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.  For verily I say
             unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle
             shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

          1 John 2:15-16
             Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world.
             If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not
             in him.
             For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the
             lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the
             Father, but is of the world.

107.6The PhariseesLEDDEV::CAMUSOalphabitsMon Apr 12 1993 09:1465
        Matthew 23 is a scathing denunciation of the Pharisees.  Pharisee
        means "separated", which is what much of the Bible preaches the
        believer should be.  
        
        However, the Pharisees had grown to place more importance on
        ceremony and tradition than the Law of God.  They preached
        meticulous adherance to the minutiae of the "Mishna", or second
        law, which is composed of oral traditions said to have originated
        with Moses, and the Ceremonial Law.  
        
        By the time Jesus had arrived, the Pharisees had come to esteem
        the Mishna far above the sacred Scripture, far above the Word of
        God itself.  

        It is popular today to label those who appeal to Christians for a
        return to holiness and separation as modern day Pharisees.
        For the most part, however, such appeals are based on very sound
        Biblical principles clearly exposited in passages that are
        corroborated by cross reference, not on any tradition, ceremony,
        ritual, observance, or oral law.  Advocacy for holiness and
        separation is not Legalism, unless it predicates salvation upon
        these principles.
        
        In fact, Jesus makes an appeal for scriptural holiness in verses
        23 and 26, where he indicates that the Law of God must be obeyed,
        but from the inside out, not just to make appearances, and not
	ritualistically.

          Matthew 23:16 - 28
           16  Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides, which say, Whosoever
          shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever
          shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
           17  [Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold,
          or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
           18  And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing;
          but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is
          guilty.
           19  [Ye] fools and blind: for whether [is] greater, the
          gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
           20  Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by
          it, and by all things thereon.
           21  And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it,
          and by him that dwelleth therein.
           22  And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the
          throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
           23  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
          pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the
          weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith:
          these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other
          undone.
           24  [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow
          a camel.
           25  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
          make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but
          within they are full of extortion and excess.
           26  [Thou] blind Pharisee, cleanse first that [which is]
          within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be
          clean also.
           27  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
          are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear
          beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's]
          bones, and of all uncleanness.
           28  Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men,
          but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
107.7don't minimize the infectiousness of healthLGP30::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO2-2/T63)Mon Apr 12 1993 13:4118
re Note 107.2 by LEDDEV::CAMUSO:

>         If one has a flu and another is well, and they spend some time
>         together in close proximity, it is likely that the one who is
>         well will catch the other's flu, not that the one with the flu will
>         catch the other's wellness.  

        In a way, the sick can catch the "wellness".

        In Matthew 25:36: "I was sick, and ye visited me."

        The care, attention, and love of another can contribute to
        the recovery of a person who is sick.

        (I believe that this is true spiritually as well as
        physically.)

        Bob
107.8JULIET::MORALES_NASearch Me Oh GodMon Apr 12 1993 15:237
    Hi Bob,
    
    In that while I agree that God does command us to go to a brother with
    a fault, and healings were always instantaneous, God has warned us not
    to abide or fellowship with darkness.  
    
    Nancy
107.9EVMS::GLEASONOnly Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.Mon Apr 12 1993 15:2639
107.10JULIET::MORALES_NASearch Me Oh GodMon Apr 12 1993 15:454
    The previous reply has been set hidden and author has been contacted.
    
    Nancy
    Co-mod
107.11PreparationLEDDEV::CAMUSOalphabitsTue Apr 13 1993 09:5635
	RE:<<< Note 107.7 by LGP30::FLEISCHER 
                -< don't minimize the infectiousness of health >-

        True, and this is what outreach is all about.  We are commanded to
        bring the gospel to the world and minister to the spiritually dead
        and wounded.  
	
        Consider, though, that the physicians who minister to the
        physically ill, rarely contract the illnesses themselves.  This is
        because they are prepared and spend only the time required to
        diagnose, nurture, and heal, where possible.

        The doctrines of separation and outreach seem, at first, to be at
        cross purposes.  They are not.  Separation means that we do not get
        involved with or tolerate sin (Psalm 1:1), but to minister to the
        spiritually ill (or dead, in the case of the unsaved) we must be
        prepared (Psalm 1:2, Ephesians 6:13-20).  We've all heard that we
	must hate the sin, but love the sinner.  This is not easy to do in
	the flesh and without the armour of God.

        We must also be careful not to preach the gospel to a group of
        scoffers, for it does no good to drag the Word of God through the
        mud.  Typically what they'll do is ridicule us in front of other
        non-believers, whose hearts otherwise might have been swayed, or in
        front of young believers who may become discouraged.  Better to
        approach a scoffer one-on-one and attempt to engage  him in
        heart-to-heart conversation.

	Tony

	  Matthew 7:6
		Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye
		your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under
		their feet, and turn again and rend you.