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Conference yukon::christian_v7

Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Notice:Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165
Moderator:ICTHUS::YUILLEON
Created:Tue Feb 16 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:962
Total number of notes:42902

90.0. "The Lordship of Christ" by TOKNOW::METCALFE (Eschew Obfuscatory Monikers) Thu Apr 01 1993 15:39

My father related some more of what the man in 49.4 said.

 "Are you centered in the emotions and the body.  That's fine.  So are pigs.
The prodigal son realized that he wanted to be morethan a pig and
made up his mind [intellect] to go home, and so he determined to
do just that [will]."

  You can be centered in almost anything: the emotions, the body, the
intellectual pursuits, or self-will, but unless one is centered in 
Jesus Christ, it is all less than what you could be.

  The prodigal son was a son out in the pig sty, and yet he was no better
than the pigs who center their existence on the emotions and the body.
He came to the realization that it was better before.  ("When he came
to himself...")

  When Christ is the center of your life, you don't become less, you 
become MORE!  There are certain insoluables such as race, gender, and the like.
The man said, "I am an Indian, but now I am more than Indian, and because of
this, I can revel in what makes you not an Indian.  And by the way, no
matter how patriotic you may be, you didn't ask to be born here."

  Being Christ-centered does not take away the emotions and the body,
nor the intellect, nor the will; it merely puts them into proper
perspective; it prioritizes things the way they should be.  When the
center is on self, being an American matters because of who we are.
But when the center is on Christ, being an American is subject to the
will, pleasure, and desire of God.  We become more than Amercans!

Mark
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90.1Thank you markSWAM1::BOHN_ERBoo-Boo BohnFri Apr 02 1993 17:338
    Hi Mark,
    
    You are a true servant of the Lord because the Lord just spoke to
    me as I was reading your note.  Thank you for introducing this note to
    this conference.  It is a blessing!
    
    E. Bontonovinchi
     
90.2Don't give yourself so much creditTOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersMon Apr 26 1993 10:3935
Steve Silverstein, Jews for Jesus, spoke at our church (4/23/93) and ranged 
on various subjects.  One was witnessing.  I'll try to paraphrase.

How many of you are afraid that what you will say to someone might turn
them off to Christ?  (a few hands will be raised by the brave, awake, and
honest).  Let me tell you something: do you think that the people around you
are at the brink of salvation and that what you've just told them turned them
off and you really blew it?  Let me remove some guilt from you:  You didn't
blow it; you couldn't; they're already turned off.  Further, nothing
you say or do brings a person to God - its the work of the Holy Spirit - 
don't give yourself so much credit.  We are merely to proclaim the 
personhood of Jesus Christ.  That's it.

When I became a Christian, I turned off a lot of people, merely because
I embraced this person Jesus Christ.  It's okay in the world to embrace
lots of things, but why this reaction from people when someone embraces
Christianity?

We get too bogged down with the methods of witnessing, (and I'm not 
discounting these), and sometimes we go to great lengths not to offend
someone in our witness, and so put everything into "friendship evangelism"
except the person of Jesus Christ Who is the *reason* and sole purpose
for the evangelism in the first place.  Christianity is a relationship with
Almighty God.  Jesus Christ will present an offence to some; and the Holy
Spirit will work in others.  The person of Jesus Christ must be at the center
of evangelism, and everything else will follow.  Anything else puts the
cart ahead of the horse.

So if you tell someone that what makes you different (which tends to
put the focus on "us"), it is the person of Jesus Christ Whom you have
embraced because He gives life and meaning to living.  And regardless
of the results, don't give yourself so much credit; we merely proclaim 
the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and allow the Holy Spirit to do His work.

Mark
90.3Some Truth about Fear of WitnessingJULIET::MORALES_NASearch Me Oh GodMon Apr 26 1993 13:2036
    90.2
    
    I have mixed reactions to this one... I believe soul winning should be
    propositional and at time confrontational.. I suppose the question I'd
    ask folks who are afraid that they might turn someone off to Christ, 
    is it truly that or is actually fear of rejection.
    
    If you are one who shrinks from rejection or unfair criticism,
    then the issue here is not one of just *not worrying* about how what
    you say is received, but is one of understanding your value and worth
    lies in Christ not in men.
    
    But if you are one who isn't inhibited by rejection or criticism and
    clearly understands II Timothy 3, "All those who live Godly, will
    suffer persecution", as declared by Paul, then AMEN to .2!
    
    Take inventory, have you suffered persecution because of your
    Christianity lately?  If you have, then count it for Christ's sake.  If
    you haven't, perhaps, in the near future, you may, and if so, then
    count it for Christ's sake.  

    The hardest thing I've ever encountered was having the folks with 
    whom I work having read DIGITAL and hearing there sarcasm about the
    note I posted about my Christianity in the "How are you coping with
    the layoffs" topic.  But you know the great part is I suffered
    the sarcasm [and if you know me it cuts quick into the heart] and
    those same folks today treat me with respect.  

    Am I afraid to blow it for Christ in front of them now?  Oh yeah,
    but in a way that keeps my testimony in check, not what I say to
    them that glorifies Christ.  
    
    In Him, 
    Nancy
    
    
90.4Pass on whatever He gives youICTHUS::YUILLEThou God seest meMon Apr 26 1993 14:1029
The key has to be the witness  of the Holy Spirit in the heart.  If He says
say "....", then *say* it.  If He says "Be silent", then be silent. 

The trouble is when He doesn't give any clear signal.  But then, we have to
'be ready in season or out of season', and if we don't hear the
opportunity, we might just be needing to learn to listen more carefully to 
Him, and less to the world around ....  I must confess to that problem 
myself.

For all of us, we have to be careful not to let our natural personality 
override our witnessing.  A naturally strong minded person may over press 
their opinion on others, of as little use to the LORD as the one who keeps 
too quiet.  We have to listen to the LROD, and be aware of the spirit in 
the person we speak to, to see whether they are receiving what we say.  Not 
necessarily agreeing with, but even hearing, rather than concentrating on 
their own attack to reply.  There's a time to speak and a time to listen.

But we can't blow them away from the LORD - If they use our poor example as 
an excuse, it demonstrates that they know in their hearts that there *is* a 
standard to live to.  They are fighting, not us, nor even their conscience 
(which can easily be bribed), but the LORD.  He knows those who are His.

Ezekiel was told to preach to all, lost and saved, that their blood might be 
upon their own heads, and not his...

He saves even our tears up as precious (Psalm 56:8)

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								Andrew