Conference yukon::christian_v7

I have a problem & a question.

Problem:   All new notes to this version are showing up as "seen" so far.
    	   In other words, when I type "next unseen", it says no new notes,
    	   and I havben't read any yet.

Question:  How do I fix that? or Is anyone else having this problem?

Joe

    Easy, Joe!
    
    Do a SET SEEN/BEFORE=26-FEB-1993....  That should do it for you. 
    
    SOC Bill

If you want to retain correct seen maps, you need to :

. Move the record of the 'old' CHRISTIAN being archived:

Notes> MOD ENTRY CHRISTIAN /FILE=GOLF::CHRISTIAN_V6 /NAME=GOLF::CHRISTIAN_V6

. Add the new conference 'as new':

Notes> ADD ENTRY GOLF::CHRISTIAN

This should keep all your unseen maps right whether you want to look back 
at the old conference, or continue in the new....

When V6 goes to ATLANA::, you need to:

Notes> MOD ENTRY CHRISTIAN_V6 /FILE=ATLANA::CHRISTIAN_V6

but as I'm too lazy to type CHRISTIAN_V6 in full every time, I get it to 
list as V6_CHRISTIAN in my notes directory, by adding:

	/NAME=CHRISTIAN_V6 
to either move on _V6.

								&rew

	Andrew,
	
	I assume if I've already done a set seen in here, I've messed
	up my map to the "old" conference, correct ?

	Karen

Karen, and others,
  If you knew approximately when you last read a note (a mental Seen map)
you can always issue the SET SEEN/BEFORE=mental_seen_map_time which should
approximate where you were.  You may have a couple of notes to re-read.

Hope this helps.

MM

    
    
    	If you want the absolute easiest way to reset, simply delete
    this conference from your notebook and re-enter it.
    
    	Upon re-entering, your seen map will be set to nothing and you 
    will be put at note 1.
    
    	While the conference is really small, this can work easily.  I
    usually do this cause I've had problems in the past with the modify
    command.  Then when you re-enter, just type set seen (since you have
    read all the notes in this new conference).  Then you should be all
    set once you log back in tomorrow or whenever.
    
    	At the NOTES prompt where your notebook directory is displayed,
    type: Delete entry Christian.  Then at the same prompt, type:
    add entry GOLF::CHRISTIAN.
    
    	I've found this much easier...guess I'm just a tad lazy!! Hah, make
    that a lot lazy!
    
    bill..g.
    

Tanks to the tinkers!



Or is it thanks to the thinkers?


8^)

I've had problems with SET SEEN /BEFORE=date.  Didn't do what I expected it 
to.  That gave rise to the dent mid-left-rear of my terminal (not really;-)

I guess Bill's way is the simplest really.  Delete & re-add - and add 
the archived entry, with SET SEEN for the lot, if you want it.

Sorry Karen.  Too late...  But then, there's not too much to swallow here 
yet....

								&

In a conference that is predicated on an inerrant Bible, we will see
numerous translations of the Bible reprinted in this conference.
It is best and helpful if you will identify from which version you
are quoting, and identify if you intend to paraphrase (can't quite
remember the reference or text) so that someone with a Bible handy
can double check it for you.

I have asked Barry Dysert (BD�) who has spent "about 2 years a few years back 
studying textual criticism, ancient manuscripts, and different versions of 
the Bible. I have taught a few courses at my church regarding these topics. 
While I would have to crack a lot of books to supply much of the detail in 
some areas, I can still provide some important fundamentals that I trust 
will be of some use. The dates I give are my best take on when the first 
1-volume complete Bible (both Testaments) was published."

I'd be interested in Barry's further comments, but he's off to vacation
for a time, and if he will, we'll start a separate note someday.  For
now, here are the most common abbreviations and translations used in 
this conference (not all are recommended for various reasons).

KJV (King James Version), 1611
  - Conservative translation from the Textus Receptus
  - Formal equivalence, Middle English

RSV (Revised Standard Version), 1952
  - Revision of the American Standard Version (which was the American
    revision of the Revised Version) from the Critical Text
  - Preferred LXX to Masoretic Text
  - Used by scholars but has a liberal bent

Phillips, 1958
  - Paraphrase into common English

NWT (New World Translation), 1960
  - Translated by the Jehovah's Witnesses and published by the Watchtower
    Bible and Tract Society

Amplified, 1965
  - Dynamic equivalence translation, where important words are "amplified"
    (clarified and commented upon) to show their various shades of meaning

TEV or GNB (Good News for Modern Man: Today's English Version), 1966
  - Paraphrase into common English
  - Based on Masoretic Text and Critical Text
  - Vocabulary limited to common words
  - Geared toward those with limited Christian background

Living Bible, 1967
  - Paraphrase into common English

NAS (New American Standard), 1971
  - Conservative revision of the American Standard Version using
    contemporary English (translators professed their belief that "the
    words of Scripture as originally penned were inspired by God")
  - Very literal translation using the Masoretic Text and Critical Text
    (expressed intent is "to adhere as closely as possible to the
    original languages of the Holy Scriptures")
  - Formal equivalence

NIV (New International Version), 1979
  - Conservative translation of Masoretic Text and Critical Text into
    contemporary English (translators professed to "authoritative and
    infallibility of Scripture as God's Word")
  - Dynamic equivalence presented in paragraph form

NKJV (New King James), 1982
  - Conservative revision of King James utilizing new manuscript evidence
    (all scholars professed to "verbal and plenary inspiration and
    inerrancy of autographs")
  - All scholars professed to "verbal and plenary inspiration and
    inerrancy of autographs"
  - Maintains King James tradition while moving to contemporary English
    and cleaning up inaccuracies
   - Formal equivalence

--------------------

Barry's opinion: "Use NIV for a good reading Bible. Use NAS and NKJV as primary
study Bibles and cross-check with NIV."

         
         Listed below are a subset of definitions of words used in NOTES:
         
         	Notebook	holds all conferences that user adds.
         	Conferences   	are subjects such as 
         			DECtrade_Workstation that are made 
         			up of topics.
         	Topics		are created notes that are relevant to 
         			the opened conference.
         	Replies		are created notes that are responses
         			to the current topic.
               	Notes 		are any user-created topics or replies.  
         
         
         Listed below are a subset of common commands used in NOTES:
         
         	ADD ENTRY xxx	places specified conference into 
         			notebook.  (Only done once per conf.)
         	OPEN xxx	opens the specified conference.
         	CLOSE xxx       closes the specified conference.
         	WRITE [xxx.xxx] creates a topic in currently opened
         			conference.  A file specification is
         			an optional parameter to read a VMS 
         			file to create a topic.
         	REPLY [xxx.xxx] creates a reply to the current topic.
         			A file specification is an optional 
         			parameter to read a VMS file to create
         			a reply.
         	DIRECTORY [range] lists the topics in order of 
         			creation.  The range is a specified range 
         			of topic and/or reply values.  Topics have 
         			integer values.  Replies are numbered to 
         			right of the decimal point.  (Ex.  Note 
         			9.24 is the twenty-fourth reply to topic 
         			nine.)
         	EXTRACT xxx.xxx creates the specified VMS file and
         			copies the current note into that 
         			file.
         	EXIT 		leaves the NOTES facility and returns
         			user to VMS prompt.

         Other:
         	9.24		displays the twenty-fourth reply to 
         			topic nine for reading.
         	KP2 (keypad 2)  moves forward to next topic 
         			numerically, when a conference is 
         			open.  KP2 moves pointer down the 
         			conference listing, when all 
         			conferences are closed.
         	KP5 		moves backward to next topic 
         			numerically, when a conference is 
         			open.  KP5 moves pointer up the 
         			conference listing, when all 
         			conferences are closed.
         	KP3		moves forward to next reply 
         			numerically.
         	KP1		moves backward to previous reply
         			numerically.
         	KP, (keypad ,)  displays next unseen note.
         	SELECT or KP7   selects and opens the conference 
         			pointed at in the conference listing,
         			when all conferences are closed.
         
         	Conventions used in this example -
         
         		<RETURN>     	=  Press 'Return' key
         		<CTRL>		=  Press 'Ctrl' key
         		CAPS or $	=  Prompt
         


 	This is a sample reply for Topic 4.0, that 
	portrays 'how to make a reply to a topic.':
		
		1. Enter topic number to create a reply to -
		    (ie, Read topic 4.0 and enter a reply)

			NOTES> 4.0 <RETURN>

		   1.1 Create reply. 

			NOTES> REPLY <RETURN>

		   1.2 Type reply relating to topic. 
			 When done press -

			<CTRL> Z

		   1.3 Give the reply a title -

			One possible solution is use MAIL<RETURN>

		   1.4 Confirm posting reply -

			Y <RETURN>         

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Note 11.3                     Hints on using notes                       3 of 14
BBQ::CLARKE "Once...There was a Tune..."             81 lines  23-DEC-1991 14:00
                      -< some more questions and answers >-
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Q - What is the "Remote Notes Utility" ?

A - 	- RNU puts a much nicer interface on Notes
	- it does it all in batch mode
	- has a Daily news function so that it captures all new notes and 
	  replies automatically
	- allows you to search topics locally, IOW it keeps the index locally, 
	  then you can mail to yourself or transfer to the Daily news function


Q - If I write (create) a newnote, I've learned that I can
    go back and change its title or even delete the note completely...but
    if I go to look at my note and find I've, spelt a word wrong and I want to
    change the miss-spelt(like this one #:^}...)can I do it???
                                            
A - If you haven't logged out of Notes, and the last note you wrote is the
    one you want to fix, just delete the new note that you entered and use
    REPLY/LAST or WRITE/LAST (according to what you did before).

    Otherwise...
    
    Reply to your own note, pulling in all the text from the old note.
    Fix the spelling, and exit creating a new note with the corrected
    spelling.
    
    Delete the old note.
    
    Move your note to the new place.
    
    NOTES> SET NOTE x.y/NOTE=x.y-1
    
    e.g.
    
    NOTES> SET NOTE 5.22/NOTE=5.21
    
    Note (haha) that you can move your own notes around the conference
    between topics if you need to.
    

Q - OK - I began a topic, but have discovered that someone already
    started a very similar note on that in another topic. I moved the base 
    note I created to a sub-note in the existing topic.
    
    Now I want to change the basenote of the existing topic to cover a related 
    topic. I tried to move my new basenote from .4 to .0 by using a SET NOTE
    x.y/NOTE=x.y-1 but it didn't work. Anybody got any suggstions!
    
A - difficult to do...

	Two choices:
	1 - rename the topic(.0) to what you want to call it, and have your
	    "base note" in reply .1 - this involves 'shuffleing' all the other
	     replys around, or

	2 - create a new topic, and move all the replys over to that new topic
	    (a sub-option - move everything back to the original number, but
	     why bother ?)

	Restrictions:

	you either have to be a Moderator to shuffle the replys around,
	or have been the only person to reply to that topic, and thus you
	are only shuffling your own replys around

    
Q - When I am in the Character cell interface to Notes, and I reply to a
	note, the 'split screen' comes up, and I move to the top half. How do
	I move text from this area to my reply?
A - 
1  Use the arrow keys etc to get to the start of the chunk you want to extract
2  Press SELECT
3  Use the arrow keys etc to get to the end of the chunk you want to extract
4  Press REMOVE
5  Press PF1 KP7 (or whatever you used before to get into the command line)  
6  Type OTHER (actually you can probably just do an Up-Arrow to get this)
   (should now be back in the bottom window)
7  Use arrows etc to get to where you want to put the chunk
8  Press INSERT HERE

happy extracting!

    Re: Note 23.11 by TAPE::LKL
    
>Q - When I am in the Character cell interface to Notes, and I reply to a
>    note, the 'split screen' comes up, and I move to the top half. How do
>    I move text from this area to my reply?
    
    Alternative answer; if you do this a lot you might consider installing
    a little program that I found in some other conference that lets you
    rapidly pull the entire reply into your screen in order to reply to it
    line by line.
    
    Take the following reply, and place it in the file NOTES$COMMAND.TPU in
    your login directory.  Use EXTRACT/NOHEADER to get it out of the notes
    conference and onto your disk storage.  Exit and reenter notes.  When
    you want to "quote" someone's note in entirety, enter the REPLY
    command, press RETURN, and then press the PF1 key followed by the Q
    key.
    
    Take care that you do not wipe out any previous NOTES$COMMAND.TPU file
    that you may have had lying around.  Most people don't have them, but
    if you do then you should know why it is there.  If you need help
    merging the two, contact me.
    
>   Note (haha) that you can move your own notes around the conference
>   between topics if you need to.
    
    Ha!  I wrote this!  It sure gets around!  ;-)
    
    James

procedure quote_note

local enotes_extract, note_range, note, author_range, this_mark, end_mark,
author, text_range; 
      
if eve$x_number_of_windows <> 2 then	!can't do this with only one window
	message ("Need two windows on screen");
	return(0);
endif;
eve_other_window;                                   
position(beginning_of(current_buffer));
!if current_character  = '<' then
!    enotes_extract := 0;
!else
!    enotes_extract := 1;
!endif;
enotes_extract:=0;
    
note_range := search('Note ' & span('0123456789.'),forward);
if note_range = 0 then
    message ('Other window must contain a note to reply to');
    eve_other_window;
    return;
endif;
note := substr(note_range,1,length(note_range));
position(note_range);
if enotes_extract then
    move_vertical(1);                      
else
    eve_move_by_word;
    eve_move_by_word;
    eve_move_by_word;
endif;
author_range := search(anchor & scan(' '),forward);
author := substr(author_range,1,length(author_range));
if enotes_extract then
    move_vertical (2);
else
    move_horizontal(-current_offset);
    move_vertical(1);
endif;
select_mark := select(none);
position (end_of(current_buffer));
text_range := select_range;
select_mark := 0;
eve_other_window;
move_horizontal(-current_offset);
the_left_margin := get_info(current_buffer,"left_margin");
!copy_text(fao("!#* Re: !AS by !AS", the_left_margin - 1, note,author));
copy_text(fao("Re: !AS by !AS", note,author));
split_line;
split_line;
move_vertical(-1);
this_mark := mark(none);
move_vertical(1);
copy_text(text_range);   
end_mark := mark(none);
position(this_mark);
move_vertical(1);
select_mark := mark(none);
position(end_mark);
quote_prefix;
select_mark := 0;    
position (this_mark);
endprocedure

procedure quote_prefix ! Prefix every line with a string
                   
local v_range ,v_line ,v_pos ; 
      
v_pos := mark(none);
if select_mark <> 0 then
    v_range := create_range (select_mark, v_pos, none);
else
    v_range := create_range (beginning_of(current_buffer),
				end_of(current_buffer), none);
endif;
prefix_string := '>'; 
string_len := length (prefix_string); 
position(beginning_of(v_range)); 
move_horizontal (-current_offset);
loop
    count := string_len;
    loop
        exitif count = 0;
        if current_character = " " then
            erase_character(1);
        else
            exitif 1;
        endif;
        count := count - 1;
    endloop;
    copy_text(prefix_string);
    move_vertical(1);
    move_horizontal(-(current_offset));
    exitif mark(NONE) >= end_of(v_range);
endloop;
position (v_pos);
move_horizontal(-(current_offset));

endprocedure

define_key ("quote_note", key_name ('q',shift_key), "quote note ",
	EVE$X_USER_KEYS);

set(shift_key,pf1);

    Of course, there's always other ways.  Sometimes at the Notes> promt I
    use EXTRACT/BUFFER x <note number or note range>
    (if not used before in the notes session, it will ask if the buffer X
    should be created).  What can be nice here is that you can extract a
    range of notes into the buffer.  Then, when you REPLY/NOEXTRACT, from
    the editor you can enter BUFFER X and BUFFER NOTES$EDIT commands,
    cutting from buffer x and pasting into the NOTES$EDIT buffer as
    desired.
    
    Mark L.

    Yes, it is Grace.  Thanks for responding.  How do I go back and change
    mistakes I see, but can't seem to fix!  I saw some here in my message,
    but suddenly I was at command and had to decide send it or not!  Does
    this work the same as word processing in all-in-1?
    
    
    
    

Hi, Grace.

You'll notice I moved your question to 23 (hints on using notes).

I think some of these previous reply can explain it better.  But off the
cuff, I think you can invoke spell checker from the command line before
you enter the note.  Maybe not.

When I see a typographical error of something I just entered, 
I create a new window, suck out the contents of the note with errors
into the new window, delete the note with errors, then fix the
new create window.

In Character cell, I think you delete your note, then type REPLY/LAST.

Note 23.11 has the details.

Mark

    Mark & Grace,
    
    There is an ALL-IN-1 way of getting into notes, which is much much
    easier to use for anyone who can already use ALL-IN-1.  It behaves just
    like ALL-IN-1; and does not appear to be any slower.
    
    It's called Group Conferencing, and is on the top level menu of the
    current version of ALL-IN-1.  I can't remember what the option is
    called, but it might be GP or GPC.
    
    Grace, give it a try.  If it is not present then maybe your system
    management hasn't installed it.
    
    James

    Thanks James for the previous note re Group Conferencing facility from
    within ALL-IN-1. I had started to use it for entering replies as I
    found it more useful from my non-windows VT330 terminal to create a
    Word processed document then enter it using the GPC facility.
    
    However, having put a couple of entries, namely 14.4215 & 6.417, I have
    been wondering since whether or not they have been sucessfully received
    and seen by other participants. Needless to say I have not used this
    method to enter this note - just in case!
    
    If someone, either in the States, or down-under could confirm either
    way to set my mind at rest.
    
    Ta very much
    
    Paul

Hi Paul,

>    However, having put a couple of entries, namely 14.4215 & 6.417, I have
>    been wondering since whether or not they have been sucessfully received
>    and seen by other participants. Needless to say I have not used this
>    method to enter this note - just in case!

>    If someone, either in the States, or down-under could confirm either
>    way to set my mind at rest.

Your entries look fine to me, mind you I'm reading notes from my Ultrix
system :-).  Not all of the noters in this conference are in the US or
Australia, there's a few of us in a time zone not too far away, I'm in Munich,
Germany.

Graham

    Re: Note 23.18 by PEKING::ELFORDP
    
    Good to see you trying it out Paul.
    So do you find it easier to use than the original way?
    
    You need not fear whether your entries will be visible.  If you can see
    them, the chances are that the others can see them as well.  I've never
    heard of any case where this isn't so (apart from moderator action).
    
    As you found out in 14.whatever, you have to remove the header when you
    are quoting someone else's note.  An interesting point is that the
    header that *you* see in GPC is quite different to the header that us
    DEC Notes people see.  The same data is present, it's just in a
    different format.  The GPC format is more readable, because each data
    item is marked out with a title.  Takes up more vertical space though.
    
    James

I've gone from using a VT320 to a VAXstation, so I've got a different interface
on notes. Problem is, when I type a reply, the lines come out too long for the
screen.  How can I put that right once and for all?

Happy New Year blessings to all!

Richard

    Richard,
    
    I must admit, despite having a windowing workstation - I do not use the
    windowing interface.  It is far too difficult to work with.  If you
    want to avoid the long-line problem; either;
    
    1)  shrink the reply window and save settings, or;
    2)  don't use the windowing interface (NOTES/NODECWINDOWS).
    
    James

Thought this ought to go here rather than down in 637..., but as Tony only 
looks (looked) at what's been going on at that end of the conference, I'd 
better mail it too... ;-)

� type in some ridiculously large number like '100000000', do a 'dir' 
� and see what people are talking about!

You can type 'L' as an abbreviation for 'LAST' and get there quicker.

Though in my file defined by the logical NOTES$COMMAND I have the line :

define_key ("notes$do_command ('LAST')",e2, "last", notes$kt_user_keys);

Then when I hit key E2 ('Insert Here'), it gives me the last note. I use E2
for this, because I have other keys tied to similar types of command, like
E1 gives .0 - go to base note, and E4 gives .l - go to last reply on
current note. 

If anyone's interested, I can post my complete NOTES$COMMAND file.  But
only if it's wanted! 

I use the character cell interface ($ notes /nodecwindows) on a workstation
too. 

								Andrew