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Conference wrksys::alphastation

Title:Alpha Workstation Conference
Notice:See note 1.* for conference notices
Moderator:WRKSYS::HOUSE
Created:Wed Sep 07 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1996
Total number of notes:9122

1909.0. "9FX Motion331 graphic card supported on Unix 4.0a ?" by ZPOVC::CSNAQS () Thu Mar 27 1997 06:12

    Hi,
    
    Does anyone knows if PB2GA-JD 9FX Motion331 graphics card on 
    AlphaStation 255/300 support on Digital Unix 4.0a ?
    
    What is the difference between the PBXGB-AA T2/2mb 2D 8-plane PCI
    graphics Accelerator as compared with PB2GA-JD ?
    
    Regards,
    
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1909.1DECWIN::MCCARTNEYFri Mar 28 1997 09:4511
Digital UNIX does not support the Motion 331 card.  I'm not even positive what
that card is.

However, the PBXGB-AA is also known as the PowerStorm 3D30, alias TGA2.  That
card is supported on Digital UNIX.

If your customer has a need for new lowend graphics cards (ie, commodity cards)
on Digital UNIX, please let us know.  We're currently discussing what cards
need to be supported in the future to meet the customer needs on Digital UNIX.

Irene
1909.2STAR::KLEINSORGEFred Kleinsorge, OpenVMS EngineeringFri Mar 28 1997 11:095
    
    Irene, I think that the S3 card is actually called the Motion 331 by
    the board maker.  You see it briefly flash during BIOS init.
    
    
1909.3#9 card specsSTAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::jacobiPaul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Systems GroupFri Mar 28 1997 13:1110
According to www.nine.com, 

9FX Vision  330 	= S3 Trio64
9FX Motion  331		= S3 Trio64V+
9FX Reality 332		= S3d ViRGE


						-Paul

1909.4DECWIN::MCCARTNEYFri Mar 28 1997 15:255
Sorry, I stand corrected...

That card is supported by Digital UNIX, but you will need V4.0B.

Irene
1909.5PCBUOA::KRATZMon Mar 31 1997 11:502
    FWIW, Number Nine (they're in touble...) just lowered the MSRP on
    the Motion331 to $99.
1909.6same drivers for PB2GA-JA <-> PB2GA-JD ?UTOPIE::OETTLhide bug until worst timeFri May 02 1997 08:0010
Hello,

my customer has about 35 AS255 with a mixture of PB2GA-JA/JD cards.
He wanted the same graphics cards in all his systems, but the PB2GA-JA cards
are no longer available, so we got -JD's with the last shipment.

Can the PB2GA-JA be interchanged with a PB2GA-JD without changing/rebuilding
the Unix kernel, assuming I will have at minimum dUNIX V4.0B?

�tzi
1909.7STAR::KLEINSORGEFred Kleinsorge, OpenVMS EngineeringFri May 02 1997 09:2312
    
    The S3 Trio64 and the S3 Trio V+ are supposed to be interchangeable,
    and at least on OpenVMS, they have not asked for any software changes,
    so I expect the same would be true on UNIX.
    
    However, I was under the impression that the workstation group had
    declined the move to the V+ chip and had retired the 3D10 as a result. 
    My belief was that the V+ was only available for the servers.  Unless
    the cards are being ordered ala-cart, there may be FCC qual issues if
    the workstation group has not officially tested it.
    
    
1909.8UTOPIE::OETTLhide bug until worst timeFri May 02 1997 10:2820
>    The S3 Trio64 and the S3 Trio V+ are supposed to be interchangeable,
>    and at least on OpenVMS, they have not asked for any software changes,
>    so I expect the same would be true on UNIX.

Good to hear.

>    However, I was under the impression that the workstation group had
>    declined the move to the V+ chip and had retired the 3D10 as a result. 
>    My belief was that the V+ was only available for the servers.  Unless
>    the cards are being ordered ala-cart, there may be FCC qual issues if
>    the workstation group has not officially tested it.

Oops, you are right. The systems arrived with PBXGB-AA inside, which then were
swapped to PB2GA-JD's.

...declined the move to the V+ chip...

Hmmm, so the PB2GA-JD is not officially supported in the Alphastation255?

�tzi
1909.9STAR::KLEINSORGEFred Kleinsorge, OpenVMS EngineeringFri May 02 1997 16:0712
    
    Someone can give you an official answer, the business manager of the
    group told me a month or so ago that they were not going to use the V+
    and would retire the 3D10.  The server group, which wants cheaper
    graphics than the 3D30 for it's low-end has qual'ed and is shipping the
    V+ as a replacement.
    
    There is some rumour of another "commodity" card in the works for
    workstations, but I have no idea about the price, performance, and O/S
    support (well, I'm pretty sure they don't want to do VMS).