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Title:Fishing Notes- Archived
Notice:See note 555.1 for a keyword directory of this conference
Moderator:DONMAC::MACINTYRE
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Sep 20 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1660
Total number of notes:20970

1637.0. "Trolling down deep for Salmon" by DECWET::HELSEL (Legitimate sporting purpose) Wed Jun 26 1991 15:50

    I thought about putting this note in 1497; the "Trolling on Top for
    Salmon/Trout" note but I didn't think it applied.  So I started a new
    one.
    
    Around the Pacific Northwest, trolling the depths for Salmon is fairly
    consistent.  Most fishermen tend to use one of the following:
    
    	1) Tomic Plug (looks like what Luhr Jensen calls a "J-Plug")
    	2) Dodger with (fake) squid
    	3) Dodger/Flasher with (cutplug or whole) herring
	4) Apex lure
    	5) Dodger with Point Defiance Spoon.
    
    So I'm looking through this Cabela's catalog and there seems to be this 
    salmon trolling section.  They have squid, Tomics (J-Plugs) and that's
    it from the northwest.  But I notice these other salmon "lures" in
    there that I've never seen in the northwest.....
    
    There are Southport Slammers, Northport Slammers and something else.
    I'm asking myself who uses these, where and how (???).
    
    My guess is that they get used on Lake Ontario.  I would imagine these
    get dragged behing a flusher or dodger and deep down.  Maybe they get
    trolled without any hardware???
    
    Does anybody use these or know how they are used?
    
    What results can be expected?
    
    I ordered a couple to try them out.  I just had to try something new.
    
    /brett
    
    
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1637.1NK 28 is the #1 salmon spoon in my bookUSRCV1::GEIBELLKING FISHING ON LAKE ONTARIOWed Jun 26 1991 16:5116
       Brett,
    
      Just a quick note on N&S port slammers, I use both with varrying
    degree's of success,  I ussually troll them without a dodger/flasher.
    
      If you want to try a good kink spoon, try a Northern King 28, black &
    purple with a white belly have accounted for 90% of my kings, I have
    one of these lures hanging on my buliton board here in my office that 
    a 30+ pounder did the honors of bending in half for me.
    
         Almost any of the above talked about spoons will entice a king to 
    strike, although every body of water is different/ and the fish have 
    different tastes in dinners. I would try a couple to find out how they
    work.
    
    
1637.2Great!DECWET::HELSELLegitimate sporting purposeWed Jun 26 1991 17:4827
    
    Now, see, I never heard of a Northern King lure.  You guys fish for the same
    fish with completely different rigs.  I was looking at thes slammers in
    the catalog and I can't figure out why they wouldn't work here.  
    
    We like to imitate herring.  I figure the lures like slammers must be 
    mimmicking either herring or anchovies.  So a baitfish imitation is a
    baitfish imitation, right?
    
    I ordered my slammer in white.  For some reason, kings here like white.
    They also seem to like white and green.  I use white and green squid
    exclusively for coho and have snagged a few kings on them.  I use white
    squid and plugs for kings.
    
    What do you mean by a "kink" spoon.  Do you bend it up to give it
    action?  From the picture I was wondering if you bend it.  It looks
    something like "Point Wilson Dart" which a popular jigging lure here.
    You let it setle on the bottom and then jerf it up about 6-10'.  Then
    you let it flutter to the bottom.  This mimicks a candlefish which jumps 
    off the bottom in search of whatever it eats that floats by.  Salmon love 
    candlefish.  You bend up the Point Wilson Dart to make it flutter.  Of
    course there are 167 different ways to bent a point wilson dart....
    
    Maybe I can find a NK 28 in the bass pro catalog.
    
    /brett
    
1637.3NK 28 did a 20 pound king last night for us.USRCV1::GEIBELLKING FISHING ON LAKE ONTARIOThu Jun 27 1991 10:2214
    
    
       Brett,
    
        Sorry about a kink spoon, that was a typo it was to be a kink
    spoon,  if you read 1135 you will see a report from last nights trip.
    
       If you would like to try some NK28 lures let me know I could
    probably send some out to you.
    
    
    
                                                        Lee
    
1637.4You bet!DECWET::HELSELLegitimate sporting purposeThu Jun 27 1991 13:396
    Sure!  Send me the bill.
    
    We're going out to the Penninsula on the 11th which is where you get
    the big kings.
    
    /brett
1637.5colors,qty, and the suchUSRCV1::GEIBELLKING FISHING ON LAKE ONTARIOThu Jun 27 1991 14:425
    how many do you want and what colors,  there are hammered silver
    finish's and the painted ones have white bellies.
    
                                                              Lee
    
1637.6Nothing like a new lure!DECWET::HELSELLegitimate sporting purposeThu Jun 27 1991 16:5113
    
    
    Send me what you think is the right color.  I want to try your favorite
    so I can see if it works here.  Two or threee should do it.
    
    Let me know how much you need and I'll get a check right off to you. 
    I'm not gonna quibble over a buck or two.
    
    
    Thanks!
    
    /brett
    
1637.7shipping info pleaseUSRCV1::GEIBELLKING FISHING ON LAKE ONTARIOThu Jun 27 1991 17:004
    
    
     Well first off I am gonna need your adress to send them.
    
1637.8Just curious...HPSTEK::BCRONINThu Jun 27 1991 17:154
    	I was wondering if you guys were going to discuss baitfish size to
    match lures to.  Don't the Kings get much larger in the Pacific and
    feed on larger bait?
    				B.C.
1637.9DECWET::HELSELLegitimate sporting purposeFri Jun 28 1991 13:4635
    Actually, yes and no.
    
    The fish tend to be bigger in the North Pacific.  For example you
    can still catch a 100 lber now and then in Alaska.  However, the
    fishing pressure in Washington and Oregon is incredible.
    
    Not counting the sporting fishermen, there are the native Americans, who 
    have been granted half the fish by the courts, and then the rest of the 
    commercial fishermen.  By the time the fish get to Puget Sound, they've
    been pretty well picked over. 
    
    So, if you get a 20 lber here, you've had a great day.  If you get a 30
    lber, you take a picture and wave it around the office.  If you get a
    40 lber, you mount it and hang it just inside your front door.
    
    If you are familiar with the layout of Washington State, then you'll
    know that we (we live right near Seattle) fish in Puget Sound. 
    But we can take a ferry across puget sound and drive two hours west
    toward the coast and fish the Olympic Penninsula.  Here, you can get at
    the run before the commercial fishermen do and a 30 lber is fairly
    common.  I got one last year and took a picture.  I've seen 40 to 60
    lb fish taken around me out there.  In fact (warning: fish story)  I
    saw a guy nail a nice fish in Sekiu; fought it forever.  When he and
    his buddy got it in the boat we told him to hold it up so we could see
    it.  The guy couldn't lift it all the way off the deck.  Later we saw
    him at the scale at Olson's.  It weighed 57lbs.
    
    My friends in the east tell me there isn't a commercial fishery in the
    Great Lakes because of PCBs so it's much easier to catch big fish.
    
    So in the Sound I usually use a 4" plug unless I know the big kings are
    in and I'll go to a 5".   Out on the Penninsula I sue a 4".  The bait
    fish around these parts is usually a 5-7" herring.
    
    /brett