Conference wahoo::fishing

    First - screw the clocks. Im not setting mine back this time. If they
    want me to an 8 am meeting, let em figure out what MY watch says.
    
    Second - Ray, glad to see you feeling better. My best, my prayers. But
    DONT return to NH. I know you miss it. But the Bandit and I are
    thinking of FISHING tomorrow. (Bass fishing) And they are talking SNOW
    here. Give me a break. It will just be like steelhead day I guess.
    
    Third - I got to buy a new truck. A new tow vechile for the baot. Boat
    is I guess about 2500 lbs (16+ fot glass, 70 hp, 22 gallon inboard
    tank, gear, + trailer. I own a 4x4 Nissan King-cab. Love it.
    Its tight, Put a cap on the back so I can still do dump stuff and still
    go steelheading in NY during winter months and hav protection of gear
    from the weather. But its a 4 cylinder. I need a 6 in that truck. ANd
    cant take it anymore.
    Looking at a Pathfinder. 6 cylinders. But it TOO Pretty. I cant put the
    BAndit in that. What a mess he makes. How I go to the dump?
    Who has switched from Japan to USA and the reverse?   
    PLEASE no USA vs Japan debate.
    
    This should get us at least one rathole.

    I can save you a ton of money if you would just listen to me.
    
    Try LOSING about 100 pounds!  
    
    The rate you're going...you'll need a MACK truck just to fit in the dam
    thing.
    
    Legend
    
    Just trying to help!  
    
    KICK Willey for me ;-)!

    We can take Jack's tow vehicle discussion to 1340.  donmac

     It's kinda nice to have a place in the conference specifically geared
    to bashing The Legend. I mean, what's a RAT-hole for ? Legend, as long
    as I make the sandwiches, and as long as there is beer, there is no way
    hagerty loses 100, or that I don't gain 100. Besides, we need that
    extra layer of fat to keep us warm when we're steelheadin' with REAL
    MEN in Feb. while you're home makin' doilies and whining about how cold
    it is outside. Do yourself a favor -  knit some mittens an' pin 'em to
    your snowsuit. If you sat in the front of the U.S.S. Gitzit', it'd be a
    submarine...
    
    Plumply,
    
    Bandito 

    i think its over 500 lbs but not sure, 
    
    refer to re:2

     Did it have a mustache and look like "THE LEGEND" too ?
    
    --The Skoal Bandit

    Thanks....SKINNY!
    
    Still alive and kicking,
    
    Legend

    Hi neighbor,
    Happened to be able to get my hands on a terminal that has notes, and
    since I can only speak to you in person, nobody else ever gets to hear
    me say what a pleasure it was to fish with you on the Merrimack, however
    your  own reputation of fishing prowess leaves a little to be
    desired.
    
    Can you guess who this is?  
    P.S. It's not Dave

    I just saw a note from Infante instucting all data center managers not
    to back up non technical notesfiles and to severely restrict their
    continued use.  I am not sure what ths means, but it does not bode well
    in my book.  His claim is legitimate which is most notes files do not
    add to the direct productivity of employees.  however, I believe that
    indirectly we become more productive because notesfiles like this one
    allow us to relax and escape the pressures of the job.  I am not being
    eloquent here, but I just hope management doesn't go overboard and
    restrict or discontinue notesfiles like this.   I cannot see how
    allowing us to slip into a notesfile for enjoyment and relaxation for a
    few minutes a day is hurting DEC.  
    
    I just don't want to see if this is going to become the next water
    bottle or Wall Street Journal type of cut.
    
    Brian

    Did it have a mustache ???
    
    	I'm not sure I think THE MOUTH WAS OPEN?
    
    				RONNI

     You're not gonna believe this, but late this year just for a gag I
    drilled 2 holes in my Legend pin and took it to my favorite golf course
    pond (I put a # 4 treble hook on the back). The bass absolutely
    MURDERED it ! Ironic, no ?
    
    --Bandolito

  Brian,

  I better comment before the Legend does.

>>>    I got a Caddius deluxe belly boat and kickapoo flippers
    
  Could you please explain to us noters the difference between
a deluxe belly boat as opposed to a conventional belly boat?

  Could it be the deluxe model has coolers, livewells and storage?

  Also, Kickapoo flippers? What's wrong with just plain flippers?
 
  Aren't Kickapoo's for kids?
  Example:
  That's a good little boy, give me a little kickapoo... Oh isn't that cute! 
 
  Can't wait to see this deluxe belly boat w/ kickapoo's!

  You really kill me!

  _ Slammer

 re: Holeshot's 1527.6

"Oh contraire..."

 That's "Au contraire..." meaning "to the contrary." Nice try though... :-)

 The Doctah

Pickie...pickie...pickie!

	or is it

Picky...Picky...Picky?

I never was good in Latin.

Bunjewer!

-HSJ-

    Hey, DOCTAH....or should it be DOCTOR?!
    
    Leave Joe alone!  We all know he's STUPID without you pointing it out!
    
    SAFE ICE?  Christ...the ice would have to freeze to the bottom of the
    lake to support you!
    
    							Legend

>I never was good in Latin.

 Well it's french so you shouldn't have a problem. :-) :-)

    Bob! why dont you invite the The Mouth of the North Country, the
    One and only lizzard, he talks a good line, let them Floridians
    see what we've had to put up with here.
    Bob, I just spoke with the Keg and he feels your in the same 
    catagory as the Lizzard.
    I wish I could go,
    The Warden

Water problems in the tackle box???

No problem...

I just put my Plano 797 in the oven at 350 for 1/2 hour. 

Voila!  No water!

I do have a little difficulty getting the drawers to open, though.  haven't 
quite mastered the technique.

     I agree with "THE LEGEND." However, there IS a flip side - did any of
    y'all get the feelin' that he was slippin' on Ota's kneepads in the
    final few remarks of .18 ? Come on, LEGEND, stay an iconoclast !
     Even insensitive dolts like me get pissed off sometimes at some of the
    wimpy comments that get entered - the ones that just whine but take no
    responsibility or offer suggestions. Ptuiii !
    
      --The Skoal Bandit

    Nah I have to side with the moderators on this one.  I think the main
    purpose of this notesfile is to ask technical questions about fishing. 
    I know for myself, I write a lot of notes asking about various types of
    tackle, equipment etc.  On line and off line I get a great deal of
    bashing about my notes.  Off line I could care less, On line though I
    really think some of those comments are a bit hard bashing  espcially 
    for people who don't know your kidding.  If I were a novice and had 
    little knowledge about how to fish, I would be very apprehensive 
    asking questions if I read some of the bashing others get for asking.
    
    I know most of you clowns are totally harmless :^) but, I think the
    bashing should stay in the bashing sections only and not leak into the
    other areas of the notesfile.
    
    Bashing is ok, in the bashing sections, cause you can Next Unseen
    this whole note, keep it out of the technical sides though.
    
    Brian
                                           

    Re .20

    Brian, I agree pretty much with what you say, but the part about:
    "If I were a novice and had little knowledge about how to fish, I would
    be very apprehensive about asking questions......."
    Come on Brian, From the questions you ask it appears you do have little
    knowledge. :-) 
    
    Rich

    repl .74
    
    I think joe's trying to say...
     
    Caugh it up you cheap pearch jerkers and if were gonna drink let's
    get with the program.
    
    Joe, anytime the slammer can help you out.
    
    - Dave
    

    The Rathole! Well I guess we're all vermin, us noters that
    nobody understands or wants to listen too, thats OK this
    Club has some Elite DECies, the lizzard,Pardo,Keg, and 
    numerous other unsavory characters myself included. The
    Rat Hole, does that hold the RAT PACK?
    The Warden

 re: Brett and WA state fees

>    complimentary fishing (?????)..........free

 It means you can fish wherever you want for whatever you want, as long as you 
say nice things about Washington. :-)

 The Doctah

    re -.1
    
    Yea, I think if I tried your idea I would want to be in someone else's
    boat and I'd want to be fishing with an expendable rod.
    
    :-)
    
    /brett

    re:7
    
    	What the hell is a Resident Alien *-)
    
    	RAYJ

    
>>    	What the hell is a Resident Alien *-)
    
>>    	RAYJ


It's either the opposite of a NON-RESIDENT ALIEN

or a RESIDENT NON-ALIEN.

You pick.

-HSJ-

    ref: what the hell is a resident alien! He or She who does not
    hold United States Citizenship, but resides in a particular
    State for at least 6 months. A non resident alien is a person
    leaving his residence to fish another state.
    (example the lizzard coming from New Hamshire to fish Mass,
    only kidding?)
    The Warden

    
    
    ...Like vU-JaDe....a feeling that maybe you've never been here
    before...
    
    /&%$!@#

 re: 929.9  Marty Wood

>Boy, I wish DEC would ship my 19 footer out for a year !

 Gee, Marty, since you aren't going to be around to enjoy it, why not just
leave us the keys? ;-) We'll take real good care of it, and you can read about 
all the fish we're catching on your boat. :-) :-)

 The Doctah

    OK, whoever wants to make the payments for a year can use it for a
    year!
    
    Marty

 :-)

 er:1309.77

> He catches more fish than the Legend!! (Larry Bird)

 You make it sound like that's an impressive feat or something... :-)

 The Doctah

     Julie, the only vice I got is dippin' snuff (well, beers too), and I'd
    like to quit. You can have mine...
    
    --The Skoal Bandit

    I should have stuck .37 here in the first place. I mistakenly assumed
    that humor could appear in a note and bot be placed in either "Bustin'"
    or "The Rathole." Well, I won't make THAT mistake again. From now on,
    just serious stuff in the "regular" notes from El Bandito.
    
    Mea culpa,
    
    The Skoal Bandit

 And don't let it happen again, either. We'll break the tips off all your 
fishing rods, dunk all your reels in saltwater, and divvy up all your lures
too. :-)

 the Doctah

    That's if they get through me first!  And with the likes of Don Mac
    and the other little moderators...that should be quite a job for them.
    
    Your Pal!  the Legend!
    
    I didn't appreciate that comment regarding Bird's fishing skills.
    
    Doctor DICK!
    
    
    

 What an amusing couple... :-)

    LEGEND, you forgot to tell 'em about the time we teamed up in the WWF
    as "Masked Marauders." I think this is gonna be a GREAT year !
    
    --The Skoal Bandit

    Well, welcome to the fishing file!  Funny you should mention the
    GREATEST FISHERMAN in the file in your first note.  What is a Legend
    you ask?  Well my friend.  A Legend is one who knows everything there
    is to know about fishing.  But not only that, he knows how to have a
    good time...whether he catches fish or not.  I'm sure as you scan the 
    notes from last year you will realize that I had a differcult year...to
    say the least.  I may not have won any of the Tournies I said I would,
    but dam, I had one hell of a good time!
    
    There are some guys that take there fishing far to seriously....I'm
    not one of them.  I great at it, and USUALLY can out fish anyone in
    this file...(excluding Bourgault) who has $10.00 of my money.
    
    But when it's all said and done....you can always count on the Legend
    to catch the BIG ONE...TIME AND TIME AGAIN AND AGAIN.
    
    Hell, I'm tired of catching fish in the 6-8 pound range!
    
    Sorry, I don't have any suggestions for your camping trip.  But there
    are some fine ROOKIES in here that will point you in the right
    direction.
    
    Welcome to the file!  And in the future....when you mention my name
    make sure you Capitalize the "L" in LEGEND....or you are going to hate
    me as much as 90% of the people in here do.
    
    
    
    						Your Pal + IDOL,
    
    						The Legend of the Lakes

    
    
    	Large Ego and Girth Emitting Nonfactual Data
        L     E       G     E        N          D
    
    	I found this definition in Webster's.
    
    	Gitzit'
    
    

    I think this DOCTAH is getting a little carried away with his moderator
    duties!! I thought the person asked in his note "what is a Legend"
    (notice the capital L) so Don Mac answered his question on vacation
    spot and beautifully answered the mystery question of what is a LEGEND?
    
    Then the Legend replied with his explanations on why he can't live up
    to his name and the note got moved to the RATHOLE!
    
    I thought the person asked a good question and Legend had a good reply.
    
    I can't understand why John's note was moved and Don's wasn't? Does
    this mean if we jokingly ask a question while asking a serious one we
    have to reply in the Rathole?
    
    
    Just wondering!
    
    Thanks,
    
    Bass-O-Matic

    Let me explain...IN THE RATHOLE!
    
    The GOOD(?) Doctah has sucked up to Don for months to get Co Moderator
    spot.
    
    I actual wrote my reply before Don, but he was quicker on the draw and
    entered his first.
    
    Let it go!  
    
    These guys actual have a score board to keep track of how many times
    they can jerk my notes around in the file per month!
    
    The Doc is aHEAD by many points!
    
    This notes file is really starting to draw a LARGE vacuum!
    
    I'm a BIG BOY in more ways than one.....At least I can take a joke as
    well as giving them.....some of STICK IN THE MUD readers should give
    it a try!
    
    						In trouble again,
    
    					        The Legend
    
     You guys kill me!
    
     I feel like the Diceman!

 Bass-o-matic-

 Had Don's reply not included anything that was on-topic (having to do with 
vacation spots) I would have been inclined to move it too. Since it did include
on-topic info, it had to stand. Since Legend's reply included no factual
information whatsoever that was related to the topic, there was no reason not to 
move it.

 I agree that fishing notes is a fun place to write notes that really don't do
much but poke fun at people or explore essentially meaningless questions (like
what is the legend?). However, a fair number of noters utilize the resource
to get information from other noters. Given that exchanging information is
a more effective raison d'�tre than playing, we have to ensure that the S/N
ratioof notes in here remains reasonably high. One way to do this is to move
the "garbage" notes into one or two main strings. Now it's really helpful
if all the noters put their content-lite replies in one place- but if they 
don't, somebody has to do it.

 As a noter, I find it rather annoying when I attempt to research a subject in
here by looking up the keyword and exploring the related notes, only to find 
that out of the 20 notes in the related string, 3 have information while
17 are just back and forth farting around. There's no reason why we can't keep
them separate.

 I'm not going to attempt to quell the back and forth playing around, because
I think it is a useful outlet. However, I don't think that we should pollute
the entire file with it. I know that this is trying to be "all things to all
people" and that it can't possibly work to the full satisfaction of all parties.
However, I believe that the best utilization of DEC's resources requires that
we at least try.

 If you have problems with the way this file is moderated by me or any other
moderators, please send us mail. We are really trying to make this file the
best we can make it; if we fail, it's up to you to tell us so and guide us
to do a better job.

 Thanks for listening,

 The Doctah          (1/2 as noter, half as mod)

> did much better this way in Beverly than...

 Please, Tim, this is a family conference. :-)

>>Legend   I was killing them last year 30 lb King, 28 lb Striper and all the
>>blue's you wanted .... ect. May have to take you out to break this stike of
>>bad luck and of cause to also drink some cold ones.
    
    Careful, I can only recall being skunked once since getting my new
    boat last year.  And *guess who* was with me...
    
    but he does bring along good sandwiches...
    
    donmac
    

    
     Doctah,
    
     If you spent as much time working as you do floundering around
     notes in this notesfile, the company may profit in Q3.
    
     Leg, if he's this bad with the co-mod hat... I think we'll move
     the conference to IRAQI:: if he ever becomes moderator.
     
     Doc, Chill out and don't take this co-mod job too seriously...
     Because YOU WILL run into the LEGEND and Myself elsewhere!!
    
     - Mr. Slammer
    

 Quit belly-aching and put your notes in the appropriate topics. Or else.

>     Because YOU WILL run into the LEGEND and Myself elsewhere!!
    
 Oooooh. I'm shaking... What do I have to fear from you beauxeaus? Legend's too
squeamish to bait his own hook, and you're too limp wristed to cast farther
than a terminal drop away. If I do "run into you," I'll run over you. Then
again, I think we could use you two for shark attractant... (They can smell 
fear.)

 The Doctah

    slimer, I'll assume you 'forgot' to put the smiley face on that last
    note, otherwise if you meant that as an attack, then I were the doc, 
    I'd send that one back at ya, gift wrapped! 8^).  
    
    Either way, lighten up.  You guys have to remember that this
    notesfile has a large readership.  Many of whom have never met most of
    us.  Notes like that previous one can come across as very negative
    advertising for the notesfile.
    
    Good natured bustin is welcomed, in its place.  Notes that could be
    taken as attacks, are not welcome.  PERIOD.
    
    I'm trying to step back from the #1 moderator spot and the doctah
    has been taking up the slack.  If you don't like the way something is
    done, constructive criticism is welcome, here, in mail, or on the
    phone.
    
    donmac
    
    ps: doc, I didn't see a 8^) on you reply either... but from your text I
    think it was clear you were kidding around - but still, let's
    try and make it obvious for all.

 Yeah.

    
    	Went to the Centrum show on Saturday....and stopped by T Bass
    	Lures...looking to expand my gitzit arsenal....but the lady
    	there stated that a person who called himself the "greatest
    	notesfile fisherman ever" and his friend who "had real nice hair"
    	had bought all the bubble gum colored "plastic" and the ones with
    	the propellers on them.
    
    	Now Les and Madd Matt.....those aren't my particular favorites...but
    	if you want to clue us in on what you are going to do with those...
    	please do!.....:-)
    
    	Gitzit'
    
    

    John, so you are still trying to catch a fish.  Trolling must be
    pretty slow in the big city :-))
    
    Seriously, I'm not familiar with that area, but good luck and good
    to hear from you.
    
    Mark,
    

    Mark,
    	it so happens that I live about 250 feet from new York harbor. 
    Unfortunately, one never knows what one will catch there!  (disease or
    otherwise!)
    		-john
    

    
     REPL.
    
     DOC, DON
    
     If my note is too bad for the RATHOLE what else is left.
    
     This will be my last entry for a while till you guy's chill out.
    
     That's Mr. Slammer to you...
                  

    
       Nice going guys, now see if "our buddy MR.SLAM" will
       ever bring "free brew" to a tourney again. :^}  SLAM,
       let me tell ya, you were a thing of sheer beauty walking
       down that ramp with that cold case of bud.
                                                      kiv
    
                                                     

    Sorry to get into a rathole on my first visit to the conference...
    
    I guess I'll have to read it daily now to avoid further provocations.
    That shouldn't be too difficult now that I know what all the Legend
    replies and references are about.  To answer one of the old questions
    (I forget which note), Copenhagen.  Only.  Bazooka is better than
    Doublemint, Skoal, and the similar others.
    
    One thing I'd like to say as a newcomer is that the chop busting is
    pretty obvious and is hard to mistake as serious.
    
    Anyway, I look forward to imparting my wisdom on each of you as well
    as learning from your obvious mistakes.  How was that at getting into
    the spirit?
    
    Incoming alert!
    

> SLAM,
>       let me tell ya, you were a thing of sheer beauty walking
>       down that ramp with that cold case of bud.

 Whoops! Maybe I misjudged ya, Salami, er Slammer. You sound like my kinda guy. 
;-) Now if you make it Molson next time, I might be persuaded to overlook
some of your transgressions... :-) :-)

 The Doctah

    Re. 61: Molson's ? Doc, "Thirtysomething" is on tonight on ABC at 10...
    
    Molson's ?
    
    --The Skoal Bandit

    
    Boy, do I hate it when this happens!  I take a day off and all hell
    breaks loose.  I'll make an attempt to sent the record  on a few notes
    and let you know what the Legend thinks.....Can't wait,...HA?
    
    re.50  Don, you've been skunked a number of times.  Tell us how many
    fish you caught last year when you were in Florida.  We'll take that
    total and divide it by 10 DAYS!!
    
    re.51  Sully, SHUT YOUR HOLE!
    
    re.52  You run me over....YOU BETTER MAKE SURE YOU FINISH THE JOB....if
           not,  you're going to need a doctor...DOCTAH!
    
    re.53  OBVIOUS....the only thing obvious to a lot of us....is the fact
           you moderators are good at covering each others asses!
    
    re.54  NICE COME BACK....You know the Kiv?
    
    re.55  Who cares what kind of lures they buy?!  Really?  Neither of
           them have anything going for them....Well, at least Mattson
           as nice HAIR!
    
    re.56  Sully, SHUT YOUR HOLE!
    
    re.57  Let's face it KIV, Sully looks good to you whether he has a
           cooler of beer or not. 
    
    re.58  Oops!!  You screwed up ha?  Well, from the look of things you
           don't come across as being the sharpest knife in the draw. If
           you're as STUPID as you appear to be, you're going to fit right
           in with OTA, KIV, and DON MAC and the rest of them.
    
    re.61  Nice job trying to suck up to Sully.  Leave him alone, he'll be
           fine....he probably got a haircut that day at WOODCHUCKS ARE US
           and someone mistakened him for PUCK-SA-TONI PHIL.
    
    
       And I can't leave without asking one final question.....OTA, do you
    know how to do anything without asking us PROS!  Christ, you have more
    questions than my 9 year old son Joshua.
    
    
       Call me and I'll give you my home phone, when you have a question,
    call Josh....the space we'll save alone will be worth the phone call.
    
       SHUT UP for five minutes!
    
    						The Legend
    
    

>    Re. 61: Molson's ?

 When my wife told me I couldn't drink as much anymore, I switched to better
beer. Now that things are tight, I'm back to Bud. Of course, when Slammer's
buyin', we can do Molson. :-) :-)

>    re.52  You run me over....YOU BETTER MAKE SURE YOU FINISH THE JOB....if
>           not,  you're going to need a doctor...DOCTAH!

 Well, one thing does worry me. If you open your mouth, they'll be no place to
hit ya.

 The Doctah

Boy this file must be real slow if you have to give me shit about my spelling..

Even the ledgen gave up on that!

    lizzard! How come you didn't do what Puxatauney Phil, he went back
    into his hole, your up and about DECIE Bashing instead of being in
    your cave, (Hybernating)? Good to hear from YOU! Are you always
    that harsh when you wake up? Maybe you'll make the next Tournament?
    The Warden
    

    Just when I started feeling bad for ya....you have to go ruin it!
    
    I was just sitting here thinking, " come on, there has to be someone
    STUPID enough in Florida to want to spen the entire day with Bassin 
    BOOB on a boat....!"  Guess I have to give the folks in Florida more
    credit.
    
    Maybe if you try putting a price on it....say $50.00!
    
    
    Come on folks, someone will surely fish with this PUTZ for 50 bucks!
    
    Hang in there Bob....someone will get desperate enough.
    
    
    							Legend

    Well I have the photo album this week and its loaded with great
    pictures however suprisingly enough certain folks who profess to be
    great fishermen do not have pictures in here, dig dig :^}
    
    Anyway I have to admit the picture the "Legend" sent in is quite awe
    inspiring until I looked through a magnifying glass and noticed the
    service merchandize price tag in the corner.  It seems his bass bears a
    strong resemblence to the trick fish you buy from them.  Care to
    explain why the bottom of the bass has c batteries sticking out?
    
    Brian
    
    PS  The album needs more flicks, come on you guys cough up some
    pictures.

    Well, I see that the photo album is making the rounds.
    
    This may be a good time to mention this for all the people interested.
    
    There are 8x10 framed pictures of me available.  I'm not sure if this
    is allowed in the file but I swear I am NOT making any money at this.
    
    (GET YOUR HAND AWAY FROM THAT DELETE KEY ...DOC)
    
    Anyhow, if you would like a copy of this handsome glossy print you
    see in the album for your mantle, head board or dresser.....
    
    Send $49.99 to:
                        THE LEGEND OF THE LAKES
                        P.O. BOX   U812
                        MERRIMACK, N.H.  03054
    
    Please enclose an additional $20.00 if you would like to receive an 
    autographed copy with a pocket size booklet titled...
    
                            THE LEGEND'S SECRETS + TIPS
    
                            EVERTHING YOU EVER WANTED
                            TO KNOW ABOUT FISHING...
                            BUT WAS TO STUPID TO ASK
                                       ------
    
    These booklets are in limited supply, so please, order early.
    
    Making copies of my picture in the photo album is strictly prohibited.
    
    
    						THANK YOU,
    
    						The Legend
    
    Please indicate with your order which signature you would like.
    
           John J. Waters      or     The Legend of the Lakes

>(GET YOUR HAND AWAY FROM THAT DELETE KEY ...DOC)

 oooh, and I was just itchin' to zap ya, too. :-)

>    Please enclose an additional $20.00 if you would like to receive an 
>    autographed copy with a pocket size booklet titled...
    
>                            THE LEGEND'S SECRETS + TIPS

 20 bucks? Are you high? I've seen that book before. It's one of them books
with blank pages that you can get for 50�. Ripoff artist!

 With all of your delusions of grandeur, it's tough to tell if you're on
WD40 or Liquid Wrench. Though I guess you obtain the same effect by putting
reel lube in your eyes... I'm sure the legend has tried them all. :-)

 The Doctah

    Well Legend, I was afraid you would do something like this, so
    I took the liberty of having copies made. As we speak I am having
    your photo silk screened onto dart boards. Just think, you can have your
    own Legend Dart Board. I know there is going to be a large demand for
    these bad boys, so send me your order. The price? Depends how much 
    you love the legend. Please rank you liking of the legend from 0 - 10,
    10 being the highest. I will get back to you with a price.

    Rich

 I just saw the album. Great job, people! I'm impressed.

 The Doctah

    rating of the Lizzard! 0-10 being lower than 0. If you touch a
    lizzard, will it give You Warts?
    The Warden
    

    
    legend,
    
    No need to prohibit copying your picture from the album; I'm sure it's
    been defaced by now.  If not, welllllll, it will be passing through
    Tennessee.
    
    John Waters or legend of the lakes ??  I'll go with reality.  Autograph
    mine "The legend of the john".
    
    -SSS-

>    My real question is: Where can I lauch my boat in Big Squam?  I have
>    4WD and a small 14' aluminum boat, so I don't need much of a ramp.

 Easy! Drop by my place early in the am. We'll drive up there and I'll show 
you. ;-)

 The Doctah

    Re. 1547.3
    
       Mr. Keating says, "I'm eager, but DUMB"
    
       He'll fit right in....right Kiv?
    
       
    						Legend

    RE: .77
    
    Read it again there Large and Loud.  He said eager but dumb, the
    legend sent me mail and offered to help.
    Trying to learn how to fish from the one person in the file who
    doesn't know you?
    Nice try, he's already heard of you.
    

    
    	Boy it is a SAD day when you suggest that a newcomer to the
    	notesfile contact the leg-end....It is a wonder that after
    	conversing with the mound of round....Mr. Keating wanted to even
    	write another note in this file.   Couldn't you have picked an
    	upstanding citizen like....uh?..well...he could talk to...hhmmmm...
    
    	Man.....we ARE a pretty motley crew..:-)  I guess the leg-end is
    	just at the bottom of this notesfiles food chain.
    
    	Gitzit'    
    
    	same to you John....:-)
    

    Hey Warden....What in the Christ are you smok'in?
    
    Why don't you just try shut'in that trap of yours long enough for
    Keating to reply.
    
    This guy already said he's not wrapped to tight.....but the more you
    keep talking the more and more he starts looking like an EXPERT!
    
    Shut up!!!
    
    All your chatter has stimulated Cronin and Kiv's brain into action.
    We don't need twiddly dee and twiddly DUMB adding there two cents.
    
    (You're the later of the two, KIV) 

    lizzard! ZIP IT! Lets go fishing theres open water, and you only proved
    it. THE MOUTH THAT ROARED, with the Brain that shrank, rub your eyes
    you still hallucinating from your hybernation. We are ready for fishing
    when you are, so lets go!
    The Warden

    Bardo??   Is this guy related to Pardo,  sounds like it

    
    	Les.....I agree that Pardo is capable of being that thick.....
    
    
    	But think of it......Pardo can't catch fish.
    
    	Gitzit'
    
    

    Geez, doc, and I had my heart set on using my ultralight w/ 6lb test...
    8^)
    
    

>    Geez, doc, and I had my heart set on using my ultralight w/ 6lb test...
>    8^)
    
 Jerk! :-P

 <raspberry>

    1st soft water fish of the year

    Sunday 3-10-91
    17 inch rainbow
    Weather - Very cold, and windy (28 degree's) 
    Caught in 16 ft of water with a rapala

    Comments: Only boat on the water. Gitzit, I didn't see you, that proves 
    I am much sicker than you! And to think a had a surprise waiting for
    you. Don't worry I'm saving it.

 Where?

Hey Don, better call up Toad...

    Central Mass. of course. At a very secret spot that everyone in mass knows 
    about, but didn't show up because they are afraid of the cold. :-)  

    .85  Nice come back Doctah!  Wow!  you are one smooth dude!
    
    Watch those big four letter words, Bud.
    
         					Legend
    
    Varley caught two fish on the same lure....right?  How much did you
    drink before this happened?  Did it seem strange that the fish looked
    identical?  Smart'in up Bandit....the whole world is laughing at you.
    
    

 I tried to write real slow so you might understand. Glad to have helped.

 The Doctah

    I LOVE (!!!) it when the LEGEND deigns to notice me. I think he's a
    little cranky because we found out that the tube worm that he was using
    as a male barrier contraceptive fell off him during a Saturday night
    dance in prison...
    
     Hey Legend, can you get AM on your teeth, too ?
    
    Intimidated,
    
    --The Skoal Bandit

    Chew mean dat yore boat gotta be marked for "water use" wit a sticker??
    Jes wot de hell else wuz chew gonna use it for?? Skydivin??
    
    Sumtime I wander jes wot dem pollyteshans will tink op nex!!
    
    Coonass

    Yes you, STUPID!
    
    AM and FM ...good thing too!  
    
    Your girl hates getting up when the Legend is there...just to change
    frequency on the radio.
    
    Looking forward to seeing you and Jack on the water....of course I like
    OPEN HEART SURGERY too!
    
    							John
    
    You and are are two of the same Doc.  I hold the record for notes
    DELETED...and you hold the record for DELETING them.  Now don't
    get upset Don, you were the thorn in my side for a long time!
    
    Look forward to presenting you with a SPECIAL award at the Spring
    Classic.  BE THERE, STUPID!
    
    
    						Legend
    
    Who is just starting to realize...this is going to be HIS year!

>    You and are are two of the same Doc. 

 As literate as usual, I see. I see that being captain of Team Stupid has gone 
to your head. 

>    The harbormaster and I have done fairly well together, each holding our
>    own.

 And when you're not doing well together, do you hold each other's?!!

    Pardo! where the blazes you been? You bean hangin with your Ex, the
    lizzard. You might get a call if you were listed with the DTN phone
    book. What are you tucked away where no-one nose you or wants too. I
    was out for 5 days. I,m ready for fishing, tyhe lizzard is still
    hybernating, when are you?
    The Warden

    Me, I dunno were de gang warden are. Ober in Loosiana dey hab a habit
    ob tyin demsefs to trees an shootin demsefs!!
    
    Ole Phideaux, he com out ob hibernating an I tought Id put him in one
    ob dem pet shows don at de maul. Well I guess he wun...he et all de
    oder contestents!! He wuz right happy bout it too, smiled all de way
    home... He ban too foonchock eber since!!
    
    Comon don!! Me, I gonna take a Dishital bonch don dis weekendin.
    
    Coonass

    CUZZONE!!  That was me riding by that day!
    
    John

    Worm, Nightcrawler, SLUG!!  Whatever you want to call this MORON is
    fine with me.  Do me a favor Dick, make sure this clown doesn't walk
    off with the picture of the Legend.  The "SLUG" has been one of my
    biggest fans, of course he'll never admit to it, but he has been 
    begging me for a picture for years.  Keep an eye on him when he is 
    looking at the pictures.  And when he gets to mine, TELL HIM TO DREAM
    ON....and just maybe he'll catch one as big.
    
    							Legend
    
    (Who never even missed the "SLUG" until someone told me he headed south
    2 years ago.)

    RE:.102
    
    LegenD,
    
    I didn't recognize you - You were too far away and I was upwind - or I
    would have cursed you by name instead of generically.  My apologies.
    
    No respect intended,
    -SSS-

    You know, one of the interesting things about these discussions where
    some notes are "set hidden", is that it makes me go back to that topic 
    every time to find out what I've missed.
    
    Sometimes I think the world is going by me and I'm missing it.
    
    
    Ken    

    It is gone! I hope the cry babies are happy. You got your way.
     

    Now we are back and alive to deal the wrath with in this file!
    It was quite for a while
    Now you will have to read our bile
    Even if you don't like our stile
    
    Rich 

    Hey Rich, who are you talking to?  -donmac

    I know who he's talking to and it not you Don.
    
    Ray

 Evidently "add me as a member" is seen as being a "crybaby" to some people.
Kinda makes you wonder...

    Not really, CHRIST almighty, think about it.

    
     John,
    
     You have seemed to ignore a note placed in here with some 
     statements made by you regarding lake legislation /no ski zones speed
     zones in front of your house on winni. John are you one of these 
     people who builds a bigger dock to own more lake? John you own to 
     the mean low water mark and nothing more!
    
     Also there was a note saying something about sewerage from your area
     at winni getting into the lake.
    
     If you'd like some credibility here, I think you should address these
     items so we can see if your doing this for the environment or as a
     hidden agenda for the J. H-C "quiet it's my lake" show at winni.
     Failure to address these comments made to you will make me belive 
     they are all correct. In that case you should sease writing in this
     topic.
                                                            
     - Dave

    
     re: .65
     
     Ya, I see where your coming from.
    
     If I saw you paddling your canoe up there I'd be sure to go out of
     my way to blast a 70' rooster tail from my over-powered boat directly
     at your canoe.
    
     Hope to see you up there this summer.
    
     - Dave
    

    RE: Note 1544.66 from SOFBAS::SULLIVAN  
    
    >     If I saw you paddling your canoe up there I'd be sure to go out of
    >     my way to blast a 70' rooster tail from my over-powered boat directly
    >     at your canoe.
    >    
    >     Hope to see you up there this summer.
    >    
    >     - Dave
    
    Slammaster, irresponsible comments like that make me sorry that I worked 
    hard lobbying for NH to drop the non-reciprocity legeslation this past
    year.  
    
    All that a stupid comment like that does is reinforce many NHerites 
    attitude that we do not need more massholes (like yourself obviously) 
    on our NH waters.  
    
    -donmac 
    

    Damn Sullivan, will you PLEASE take your attitude off line. If you
    have a problem here take it up in MAIL with John. I agree with Don Mac
    we don't need THAT kind of talk........
    
    Ranger Ron

    As a 99% read only noter, I'll break my silence by saying "Amen" to
    .111 and .112.
    
    Jeff

                 Same here.....
    
                       Bob

    But this is the rathole and if you knew Dave then you know he wouldn't
    do that. Lighten up Donmac and I resent you calling me a Masshole, Mr.
    Moderator, please deal with him. Oh thats right, DonMac and the Legend
    have different privleges.....I forgot.
    
    RT

           
     C'mon Don. You guy's just miss my money for registering my boat.
    
     re: the guy that's read only and just came out of the closet
         KEEP READING
    
     Ya I suppose now that I can go up there for free I should 
     be a little thankfull. But, I'd pay anyway...
    
     Your in the rathole now, my element. >Now were off topic and we can
     settle this once and for all.
    
     1) John H-C, More Diving less Writing
     2) Doctah, Thanks for honoring my mail request and moving these here
     3) Mac -  You surprise me... Behave
     4) Ray - I'm not sure of the content but it sounded good
     5) Remember if someone is violating the boater safety laws and general
        laws of your body of water don't take matters in your own hands,
        call the peoples court - I mean the proper authorities. You have
        a better chance of having laws already on the books inforced.
     6) Remember I can put my boat on "YOUR" water. Boy that's scary
     7) The rest of you Chill-Out and build a maximun size dock for your
        body of water. I'll be there.
    
     - Slam
    
    
     
     
     

    I also say in Dave's defense he is just kidding. If you have the
    opportunity to meet him and talk to him for a while you will find a
    human being, regardless of what everyone else says!
    
    I will say though, it is very difficult to see someone smiling from
    behind this tube. Not everybody knows everyone's personality. If you're
    gonna take the time to put a reply in at least put in some smilely
    faces so people know your kidding. This is not directed just to you
    Dave. I must admit with I first started reading this notes file I did
    think to my self "what a bunch of morons", but now I know the truth.
    You guys are!  :^)
    
    They call him Slam for a reason though. Thats cause he used to spar
    with the pros from WWF and they used him to practice their SLAMS! 
    
    Don

    Yea but he still looks like a woodchuck.
    
    No smiley face, just the facts.
    
    RT

    Unreal !!!!!!  Everything in this %##%### file is taken so God Dam
    personel.  Get Real folks, who in their right mind would think that 
    any Real Fisherman or Women would go out of the way to do as Dave 
    described.
    
    This file is really getting to be a dragg.  Everytime someone answers a 
    question about something it turns into a freakin side show like
    Geraldo.  I'm really really really tired of listening to all the pissin
    and moaning done when someone puts a REPLY in that someone doesn't agree
    with.
    
    	IT'S A FREE COUNTRY, LIVE AND LET LIVE.  We're going to turn alot
    of folks off that could add valuable information to the topics
    regardless of what you think of them.  If you've got a beef with
    someone, take it off line.  Or do like I do call the Legend up and piss
    him off 8^.
    							Gary

     Agreed! This file is starting to sound like OLD_LADY_NOTES. Take a
    break- go fishing. It'll improve your outlook.
    
     Mental health days available- call and I will write you a note from
    the Doctah... :-)
    
     The Doctah

    Dave entered that note in a serious topic and there was no indication
    that he was kidding (no 8^)...  Sure, I know dave and knew he would not
    really do that - however, the majority of folks who read this file do
    NOT know him or the rest of us personally.
    
    You guys have to remember that this notesfile is a public resource on
    one of the world's largest networks.  You may think of it as a tightnit
    little group of fishing buddies - but the big picture is MUCH broader.
    By far the bulk of our readership is read-only.
    
    You cannot assume people know you are kidding. 
    
    Now, to go down the rathole further, I'm taking a little abuse for 
    the following:
    
    >> All that a stupid comment like that does is reinforce many NHerites
    >> attitude that we do not need more massholes (like yourself
    >> obviously) on our NH waters.
        
    For the record, that attitude does exist, but I don't share it.  All I
    said was that Dave's comments reinforced it.  If you recall, as I
    mentioned, I lobbied heavily (with a great deal of success) against the 
    legislation that backed up that attitude.  
    
    -donmac
    
    ps: however I do reserve the masshole for a select group - you know who
    you are!!! 8^)

                                               
  Don, How's this  - Slam
                                     ---------
                                    /         \
                                   /  @    @   \
                                  /      ^      \
                                 /  (________)   \
                                /_________________\

 Blockhead!

     Slam that was great....I was pissing my pants!!!!
                            

    Dave what a great self portrait
    
    

    
    	WOW........took a few days off and the Doctah lets things get WAY
    	out of hand.....:-).
    
    	Actually....after trying to piece together how the various replies
    	went together....I had to chuckle to myself....I remember similar
    	"yammering" in the past [as went on about Slam and his reply] when
    	the Legend put a couple of notes in that went over like lead
    	balloons.  Yo Leg...you enjoying Slam taking the heat off of you?
    	You didn't pay him did you....:-)
    
    	Gitzit'
    

    Don,
    
    Good luck with the squirrels!!
    
    My mom had squirrels in her attic a few years ago. She tried everthing
    to get rid of them. Traps didn't work because more would just come in
    after the others were taken away. A roofer came out and patched the
    hole they were using. The squirrels just chewed right threw again.
    The roofer came back and put sheet metal over the hole. Squirrels have 
    sharp teeth :-) you guessed it, they chewed right threw the metal.
    Somebody told her to put moth balls in the attic that the smell would
    drive them away. Mom found the moth balls in her driveway the day after
    she put them in the attic. Smart squirrels. The thing that worked is
    most depressing. Mom had a beautiful old oak tree removed from along
    side her house, this was their device for getting on the roof.
    
    Now mom swears the critters sit in her driveway and give her dirty
    looks.
    
    John

    I moved the preceding replies from the classified ads to here...
    
    Yeap, I've tried the moth balls... And I know where they got in, they
    climbed an antenna wire and bent open an aluminum vent... no problem 
    sealing it up tight, but i wanna make sure they're out first - and if 
    they leave babies behind, they have been known to chew thru wood to get 
    back in...
    
    -donmac

    
      HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!
    
                     SKULLY !!!! HA HA HA   YOU HOT POOP!!!!   I'M
      GOING HOME TO CHANGE MY SHORTS....HA HA HA
    
                                                        KIV

    
    
    	Skull........if they were peaking in your window...they would
    	forget about the spawn and head back into 20 feet of water.
    
    	one of your favorites.........Gitzit'

    Well Madd Matt has had it with this file.  I'm taking my terminal
    Angler Hat and burning it.  For the record THIS NOTE WASN'T SETUP FOR
    THIS DAM DEBATE ON SPAWNING, someone asked a question about a weigh in 
    because they've never seen one before, and now someone else is
    complaining because some other folks put a little humor in the file
    "THAT DOESN'T BELONG THERE".  For the Real Fisherman or folks out there
    my apologies.  To the rest of you HEN PECKING OLD LADIES get a life.
    
    	If anyone wants to talk about the thrill of fishing and not this
    other B.S. you know my node.
    
    				one very turned off fisherman
    

    
     Dear MR. Moderators, Sir Doctah
    
     Actually MR. Johnny H-C is the one that has taken this topic astray.
     All notes from 1577.23 on just do us a favor scrap'em. Mr. Mattson
     is correct here. We went from back-home bassin to probing vent tubes.
     
     I as usaual in my humurous way tried to break up Mr.scientist 
     (John H-C) from getting totally carried away here off-topic.
    
     But, it seems he thinks my replies are only worthy of the rathole.
     In this case John, Shove it where the sun don't shine! ('^')
    
     Let's get back to topic here and maybe give our resident
     scientist/biologist a break. I'm sure he's got some more diving
     to do.
    
     - Slam
           

    
    Repl .52 
    
    Get a life Mr. Bozo. Were not complaining here about the 
    
   > imformative discussion in the file and Mad Matt and Slam
   > (cute names children) don't like it so it should be scrapped. Why don't you
   > two get your own sandbox to play in?
    
    I could give 2 honks what you call me... I'm not a baby!
    
    Were stating that all this info is in BAck-Home Bassing. For
    us next-unseen readers all the vent-tube probing is completely off
    topic. If you moved it to a new topic I doubt any of us would bother
    you. The is a NON WORK RELATED NOTESFILE folks!! Wake up! 
    
    Repl .51 
    
    John, I'm sure that it's not me that you excluded in your appology so,
    I except your appology. Matt I think he excluded you.
    
    If it's any consolation, I did find it very informative. But, the data
    is like being a weather man. There always right it's just how many %
    it is that they are.
    
    _ SLAM ('^')
                        

    RE: 1577.5???  Not sure, it was gone before anyone could answer it.
    
       Just wanted to let people know that most of the nicknames that the
    regulars in the file use were GIVEN to them by the rest of the people
    who know them and have followed this notesfile long enough to realize
    why!  All you did was add to the B.S.!  
    
       Yes, I realize that I'm one of the people who unfortunatly followed
    the discussion off the Catch and Release topic.  I also feel like
    Madd Matt has the right idea.  Some of us are in here to try to help
    beginning fishermen and to do our best to not let too much
    mis-information get spread around.  I like to feel that my 37 years of
    fishing with 31 of them spent primarily on bass gives me a little
    factual information to draw from.  I also talk directly with one of
    the Mass. F+G Biologists if I have any questions just as I have for
    years.  You can take 10 different studies by 10 different people and
    how many different conclusions do you think you'll have?
       If you can't tell, I'm getting a sick of everything turning into
    a pissing contest too!
    
    				B.C.

 isn't this file fun to read these days...

    RE: .140
    
    	And then YOU can answer all the questions, right?
    

 >  Yes, I realize that I'm one of the people who unfortunatly followed
 >  Madd Matt has the right idea.  Some of us are in here to try to help
 >   mis-information get spread around.  I like to feel that my 37 years of
 >   fishing with 31 of them spent primarily on bass gives me a little
 >   factual information to draw from.  I also talk directly with one of
 >   the Mass. F+G Biologists if I have any questions just as I have for
 >    years.  You can take 10 different studies by 10 different people and
 >   how many different conclusions do you think you'll have?

	If 10 ten studies can lead to 10 conclusions then why should we belive 
the ones you have are right and the ones you calim are 'mis-information' are
wrong.  

Mike

    
     DON,
    
     Thank You! Now we have the appropriate topic for the content.
     Get the dust from that mod-hat off my desk!!
     I love the rathole, gee I think this file should have 1 topic.
    
                              "The Rathole"
    
     I feel so at home here! It's my element. You read only folks out
     there, you must eat this up! I think there's a new show / spinnoff
     coming out of this... 
    
     M.C. Slammer
    

>  Repl .52 
>    Get a life Mr. Bozo. Were not complaining here about the 
>    
>   > imformative discussion in the file and Mad Matt and Slam
>   > (cute names children) don't like it so it should be scrapped. Why don't you
>   > two get your own sandbox to play in?
  

	Then why did you ask for the conversation to be scrapped instaed of 
asking for it to be moved?  You didn't like it so you wanted it deleted.

	AAnd while the discussion wandered a bit from the original topic, it
was still relevant.  Seeing bass are caught during the spawn and could be moved
from their nest, how they protect their nest, who protects the nest, and how
they are told apart is actualy very relevent to the topic.  Ohh but a few 
didn't like what was written, or could care less about it, or whatever and 
decided becuase it didn't interest them it should be deleted.


Mike  

    RE: .142
    
       At least some of us are trying to inform people with what we hear
    directly from F+G Biologists.  How much fact have YOU added to this
    file?
       My point was that no matter what study you want to quote someone
    somewhere will have information that disagrees with it, and that no
    matter what you say someone (like yourself) will come back to give
    them a hard time about it.
       My original disagreement with John in the note in question was
    with regard to his statement that if you see a bass on a bed it's
    a female.  I still disagree with that.  What information do YOU
    have to prove me wrong?
    
    				B.C.

  
 >      At least some of us are trying to inform people with what we hear
 > directly from F+G Biologists.  How much fact have YOU added to this
 >   file?

	How much fact have I added?  None.  But I havn't been asking for 
notes and conversations to be scrapped either.

 >     My point was that no matter what study you want to quote  
 >  somewhere will have information that disagrees with it, and that no
 >   matter what you say someone (like yourself) will come back to give
  >  them a hard time about it.

	I havn't given any  anyone a hard time for any information they
put in here.  It was was with people pissing and moaning asking for stuff
to be scrapped becuase they didn't like it or becuase they didn't think it
was following the topic closely enough. 

>    My original disagreement with John in the note in question was
>   a female.  I still disagree with that.  What information do YOU
>   have to prove me wrong?

	I never said that you were wrong or right, nor did I say that your
opinion was 'mis-information'.

Mike   

    RE. .142
    
       I forgot to ask Mr. Corbett if he was an editor for the Enquirer.
    
    If you're going to take my postings line by line to make them sound
    the way you want why not just shuffle up the words too?  That way you
    should really be able to make your point.
    
       How about a node that people can reach you on so we don't have to
    do all this in here?
    
    				B.C.

>      How about a node that people can reach you on so we don't have to
>   do all this in here?	

	ASABET::CORBETT

    
     Cry,weep,sob
    
     Kiv, Please pass the cleanex. I can barely hold the tears back....
    
     Mike, 
    
     (How many times do I have to say this) 
    
      This is the rathole! 
    
    >How much fact have I added?  None.  But I havn't been asking
    >for notes and conversations to be scrapped either.
     
     Hey, I didn't see you gargling at John H-C when he asked the MY
     Notes be nixed from that topic?
    
     I just put a zinnnnnng in where I thought it appropriate, Now I quote
     "How much fact have I added?  None." But, who cares? No of us are
     experts , but some claim to be? It's a NWR notesfiles.
    
     Enjoy!
    
     -Slam ( And to you that's Mr. Slam) ("^")

    
      YOO SLAM!!
    
              I hope you don't mind puff plus!! thats all i've got. Slam
      this file cracks me up lately. Why can't people learn to "agree to
      disagree" NO NEED TO NICKEL AND DIME EACH OTHER. 
    
                                                     THANKYOU
     
                                                         KIV

    RE: .151
    
       Nope, it's my oops.  What I meant to say was:
    
    John says if it's on the nest it's a male.
    
    I say the female hangs around too and will also protect the area.
    
    Unfortunatly for all of us there's so much stuff between the beginning
    of that note and here that it's doubtful anyone remembers who said
    what!
    		B.C.

>    had a conversation with a fellow fisherman/diver today in which he
>    stated that ever since he was a kid he's known to toss a bass back in
>    if it was caught any time April through mid-June. Is there a state law
>    or did any of you other folk grow up with that house rule?
    
    John,
    
    I was fishing w. my brother at Walden on Saturday, and we saw lots of
    bass on their nests, so the spawn is in full swing there. We also saw
    a guy fishing from the shore with at least 4 bass on a stringer, and
    got just ticked enough to tell the first ranger we saw. He informed us
    that the limit for bass (even this time of year) in Mass is 5. Yikes!
    I hope not too many people take advantage of that. Good thing Walden is
    mostly a trout pond anyway. (Lots of "meat" fishermen there, though,
    and some of those guys look like they'd gladly clean the place out
    singlehandedly if they could, w/o a second thought.)
    
    So, no, there is no law (in Mass) that says release bass during the 
    spawn, and what "ethic" is practiced in that regard is up for debate.
    
    Ed
    

    NH Law: May 15- June 15 		- catch and immediate release
            May 1-14, June 16-30  	- 2 fish limit
    	    other times 		- 5 fish limit
    	    through the ice		- 2 fish limit
    
    No min. size limit

    re-2
    
    I wouldnt't criticize anyone who had 4 fish on a stringer. I mean as 
    long as they had a valid fishing license what business is it of yours?
    Lets face it, people eat bass,trout,deer,bear,geese,etc,etc. As long
    as they have a license to catch/kill then they are with-in their legal
    bounds. To call a game warden for 4 fish on a stringer is pretty
    chicken shit to me, you don't know the rules/law. 
    
    Ray

    Perhaps I forgot to mention that we didn'g KNOW what he limit was,
    though my brother said that he thought it was 2, which was why we were 
    irritated that this guy may have been overdoing it, and why we told the 
    ranger about him. When he told us that the limit was 5, well, wouldn't 
    you know it, I felt better about the whole thing! 
    
    Don't you feel better now, too..?
    
    (I knew you would!)
    
    AND BESIDES, hasn't the topic lately been about whether or not
    the practice of taking fish during the spawn is a good idea? You're
    right, it's NO business of mine what anyone does if they're licensed
    and operate w/in the limits, because that's what we all agree to do
    when we buy our licenses, isn't it? If so, then, if we see someone
    poaching (which is what that would have been guilty of had the limit
    been 2) are we supposed to ignore it? 
    
    Look, I know plenty of guys who think it's a sin to ever keep a fish,
    and some who think it's a sin to let one go, but as long as everyone
    operates w/in the law, no one has a right to object, though everyone 
    can still express his opinion. 
    
    You've expressed yours, I've expressed mine. Leave the "chicken poop" 
    labels out of it.
    
    Ed
    
    

    
    
    	Although the person with the four bass stringer was in his
    	rights...I usually broach the subject of catch and release with
    	those types.....I DON'T want to be labelled "holier than thou" here
    	...but sometimes these folks just haven't thought about it.
    
    	And sometimes they tell me to "get real"....that is their right
    	also.
    
    	Gitzit'
    	
    

    I met a guy last year who claimed to have caught two seven pound bass
    (on different occassions), took them home, and ate them. He said that
    he figured that all the catch and release practiced today (by other
    guys) made up for his taking those two biggies.
    
    Now maybe he's wayoff on the weight, but that rationalization deserves
    some sort of prize!
    
    Ed
    

    Hey John, I wasn't talking about POACHING, I refered to knowing the
    law. Poaching is a crime. The guy with 4 bass on his stringer was not
    breaking the law so WHY turn a warden on him?  If you knew the law you
    might say, hey nice fish going to eat them all? Then preach catch and 
    release. The tact that was used was kinda like your guilty until proven 
    innocent. I do catch and release exclusively, I don't like fresh water
    fish so I don't understand your analogy and I hope you don't twist my 
    words. Since this is the "rathole note" I find your contributions 
    annoying. 
    
    Best regards,
    Ray

 You guys need to go out and catch some fish. This constant bickering is
pathetic.

    
     BICKERING?
      
     Oh, I think thier just hashing out a few fundamental differences
     in life. Thier in the rathole, not bothering anybody...
    
     Plus, it's nice to see I'm not the only questioning John H-C's
     mission on this planet.
    
     _Slam
    

>    Hey John, I wasn't talking about POACHING, I refered to knowing the
>    law. Poaching is a crime. The guy with 4 bass on his stringer was not
>    breaking the law so WHY turn a warden on him?  
    
    Ray,
    
    We thought the guy WAS over the limit. We thought the limit was two.
    When we talked to the warden, we didn't say, "Go get that guy, he's over 
    the limit," we asked what the limit was, because we thought we saw a guy 
    who looked like he might be taking too many fish. He told us the limit 
    was 5, so we didn't "turn the warden on him." End of story. Sorry if
    you think we acted out of place.
    
    Ed
    

    Is there generally any tournies at AI other than icefishing.  If so
    when does it usually occur
    
    Brian

    	Someone should be getting the A-1 tourney going soon.  I think
    this one was run by the Legend last year.  So we must all turn our
    heads towards the Legend and ask, "What is the date for the 2nd
    annual Legend Tourney at A-1?
    	
    	Rodney

    DonMac
    
    are you still moderating or has the baton now passed to Levesque.  If
    the Baton has passed and it looks like it has, I want to say that you
    did one hell of a job managing this notesfile all these years.  
    
    Thanks for all the work you did for us in this notesfile
    
    Brian

    I'm still a co-moderator, but not the main man.  I'll do what I can,
    when I can, to assist, but the Doc is more or less running the show 
    now.  I nolonger have the time to stay on top of things in here.
    
    donmac
    
    ps: thanks

    RE: 1424.7
    
    John,
    	Give us a break, will you!  First, you're not talking about
    fishing.  Second, bass are much more active at night than during the
    day.  Perch and cusk also are, I'm not sure about Lakers.
    Mesmerized by the light?  How about blinded by the light?  I'm quite
    sure that if you were in almost total darkness and someone shined a
    bright light in your eyes that they would be able to grab you also!
    At night all they see is your light, during the day they see how big
    you are and avoid you!
       By the way, your Striped Perch are Yellow Perch and that whole reply
    belongs in this note.
    				B.C.

    	Hear that guys!  All those bass we catch at night are really
    just sleep eating!  They do it by accident, they're dreaming about
    eating real food!
    	Tell us John, what are they doing before you shine the light on
    them?
    	What?  You mean you can't see in the dark?
    
    			B.C.

    John, many of us have caught lots of bass at all hours of the night.
    
    I can't say whether some bass sleep, but I can say that I've caught
    alot of bass at night.  Personally, I don't think I've fished much past 
    1-2am, but I know lots of folks who have fished all night - catching fish
    throughout the night.  I've caught bass on noisy lures as well as
    silent plastic worms.  No luminescent lures, thank you.  In open water
    and on shallow structure - none likely on the nests - for most of my night 
    fishing has been later in the year. 
    
    Your point about "no set bass behavior" is probably the only concrete
    fact that has come from any of these conversations, from anyone.
    
    Don't believe everything you read.  And for every fish you happen to
    bump into there are millions that you have not seen.  There are 
    exceptions to nearly every rule that anyone can associate with fishing.  
    
    Out of curioisty, are you or have you ever been a fisherman?  If so, to
    what extent?  (I haven't read all of your replies so you may have
    already stated this.)
    
    I know a great deal can be learned from underwater excursions, but a 
    fair amount can be learned from spending countless hours fishing for 
    them as well.
    
    Personally, I enjoy reading about your observations.  It helps
    bring an unseen world into focus.
    
    BUT be ready for alot of rusty ol' fisherman to give you lots of
    grief when you try and oversimplify somthing with a scientific 
    sounding statement that is based upon assumptions from your casual 
    observations which comes across as "this is the way it is".
    
    If countless hours on the water have told us fishermen otherise, we'll 
    be SURE to let you know! 8^)
    
    -donmac 
    

       Nobody said that fish don't sleep.  You made a generalization 
    something like "at night they're asleep you know".  I disagreed with
    that statement.  I have a hard time believing that fish would be at
    ease and act normally with a diver anywhere in the area.  We know that
    they're sensitive to low frequency vibrations, which is what is
    generally accepted as the function of the lateral line.  Between your
    bubbles and the amount of water you displace/move as you move around
    I feel that at least some of the fish would be shall we say nervous
    about something with more than 100X their mass in the vicinity.
       Fishing in an area that does not hold fish at the present time....
    It's a problem for all of us, so we study the species we're interested
    in so we can figure out where they >should< be given the conditions at
    the time.  We search for a "pattern" that the fish are on, whether
    we're bass fishing, fly fishing for trout, etc.
       Night fishing.  I don't know anyone who night fishes spawning bass.
    Some people probably do.  I agree with what Don Mac wrote.  My best
    night lures include black Jitterbugs, black worms, black Gitzits, and
    black spinnerbaits.  You choose, 2 noisemakers and 2 soft, quiet lures.
    All in black.  It is commonly accepted that black gives a better
    contrast/silouette in extremely low light conditions.  I know other
    people who like white or chartreuse at night.
       There are plenty of books available from people who have gone to
    the trouble to compile information from hundreds of scientific studies
    for all of us average fishermen.  I don't mean the typical magazine
    articles that are useless if you've been fishing for more than a few 
    years.  I don't mean the typical F+G or tourist pamphlets that were
    written years ago either.  I mean good, well written, informative,
    CURRENT books that give you info from a lot of varied sources AND ask
    questions or admit when information is not complete.  I'll check on a
    few titles if people are interested.
       I think one of the other questions someone asked John was whether
    he is a fisherman or not.  From what you write you have fished during
    each of 17 years.  That does not answer the question.  My wife has
    fished during each of the last 17 years and many times before we were
    together.  She is honest about not being a "fisherperson" if she is 
    asked.  Sure, she likes to fish.  Does she know anything about the
    sport?  She knows it's fun, and that's all she cares about.  From 
    your entries in notes I feel that you are a diver who occasionally
    fishes.  I do not feel that you are a "fisherman" who also dives.
    
    				B.C.
      

    >>By the way, the plastic worms look just like a kind of nematode,
    
    Nematode?  Is that anything like a teenage-mutant-nija-turtle?
    
    -donmac
    

> Nematode?

 Nematodes are the segmented worms (if I remember correctly.)

    
    If it wasn't for the attitudes displayed in the previous �10 notes,
    they wouldn't belong in the rathole.  There's a lot of good info here.
    
    Too bad.
    
    -SSS-

       RE: .181
    
       Yup.  I have an attitude.  I try to state whether something is my
    opinion, generally accepted knowledge, or something that I saw a few
    times.  If I've seen enough to back up my statements I'll even call 
    something fact.  But, if I'm going to talk about worms I'll call them
    worms.  If someone asks for more clarification I'll even give the
    scientific names.....  IF someone asks.  I'm in here to try to help
    the average fisherman.  The guy or girl just like me who loves the
    sport and wants to learn more.  I don't know it all, and I don't
    claim to.  But, as I've said before, I ask lots of questions and I
    don't mind putting someone on the spot if I feel they're trying to
    come off looking like an expert.
    
       That's why I brought it here instead of just replying in Clear
    Water.
    			B.C.

    Re. -1
        I find that plastic worms work best in clear or stained water.
    Colors I like Black, red black, dark purple,  ok sometimes a fire tail
    
    "Is the night fishing just as good in August as in May or June?"
    
      Thier are only two kinds of fishing GOOD  &  GREAT
    
      Good fishing is fishing!!
    
      Great fishing is catching!!
    
       I have had both kinds during the months of May - Sept both at nights
       and days.
    
      OK OK OK ....  The smallies are better at night in the heat of the
    summer!!  
    
    Hope this Helps
    Les

    >>    Do you find that plastic worms work better in less-clear water?
    
    In my opinion, not really.  The plastic "nematode" is a natural 
    looking, subtle bait.  It does not "call" fish to it. Fish see it
    and respond to it.  
    
    Other lures with more attracting attributes, such as blades and rattles
    emit vibrations which attract the fish.  These types of baits can be
    more effective in "less-clear" water.  

    However, the plastic worm does work well in dirty water as well - it's
    just not as visible from the distance it would be in clearer water. 
    
    >>    Is the night fishing just as good in August as in May or June?
    
    I believe the fish feed more at night in the summer due to the water
    temperatures.  In waters where the day time surface temp is real high,
    the surface temp will cool with the night and make the fish more active. 
    Perhaps they sleep in the deeper cooler water during the day in such 
    bodies of water. (?)
    
    >>    Not a million, I'm sure. What several years of observation have led me
    >>to understand is that fish are not as numerous as many people would
   
    True, not a million.  I said millions.  I could have said billions.
    I was talking fish in general.  Not just those who are in the same pond
    as you at the moment.
    
    
    >> one the size of Winnipesaukee. (Not expecting that to happen to
    >>the bass any time soon, unless it's true that there is no limit on bass
    >>any time of year in NH now, as of this season.) The salmon and trout
    
    Not true.  If by limit you mean number of fish.  NH has a 5 fish limit 
    most of the year, 2 fish thru the ice and May 1-June 30, with
    exception of May 15-June 15 is catch and immediate release.  If by
    limit you mean legal length, NH has never had a length limit.
    
    -donmac
    
    

    
    	Dear Moderator....I find these informative topics intrusive to
    	my opportunity to "rat away"....:-)
    
    	Gitzit'
    
    	BTW:  finesse lures in clear water.
    

    
     Well John,
    
     You've done it again. Wormed your way out of the question at hand. Please
     answer B.C's question. Inquiring minds want to know. 
    
     In case you forget how to read old notes I'll paraphrase for B.C.
    
     Are you a fisherman that dives or are you a diver that occasionally 
     fishes?  >Please be honest (Like we can't tell all ready but I think
     we'd like to hear it from the source)
    
     -------
    | ^   ^ |
      \___/
    
       _ Slam
    
    

 Scup are also a premier white marlin bait. The trick is to catch a few scup
and put 'em in the livewell. Hook one through the nose and let him sit in the
livewell as you search for tailing fish. When you see a fish. get within range 
and cast the scup in front of the marlin. 20 lb class spinning outfits are the
norm.

 The Doctah

>    located in Methuen,Mass. If you like to talk with someone there about
>    the quality their number is (508) 682-7291.
    
    Guy, your a much more credible source on the quality of the boat.  Even
    a BAYLINER dealer will tell you how well their boats are made....
    
    -donmac
    
    ps: i'll be back in a sec, i gotta get my flack jacket...   

         I just started reading this conference today and I must admit you
    boys are the most sarcastic and obnoxious people I dont know...but I
    like it. Man I almost busted a gut a fiew times. 
         Getting to the point of my writing here. It is to defend Mr
    Hickscourant that you boys are lambasting with are you a
    Fisherman-Diver or Diver-Fisherman. I am a Fisherman-Diver specializing
    in catching and observing Small Mouth Bass and Northern Pikes. I have
    witnessed like my co-diver fish sleeping. I have yet to see a Bass
    sleep, but I have seen LARGE LUNKER NORTHERNS laying on their sides
    sleeping.That has to be the freekiest thing to see this big fish that
    usually dart away when they see you just lay there motionless, you can
    usually get to within 5ft and then they dart away,slugishly. Small
    mouths are more curious than you may believe, they are affraid at first
    of a diver or snorkeler, but they wont stray too far. If you stay in
    the same spot for a while the fish will come closer and if you can
    manage to bring worms with you they will take it (only if you let it
    drop infront of you). I suggest that all you so called fisherman to buy
    a mask,snorkel and fins, jump into your nearest lake and attempt to
    observe the fish you are trying to catch.Granted this method wont work
    with some species as they are too deep for snorkelers, but you can
    practically live with small mouths when snorkeling. This translates
    into great fishing spots. My favorite is directly infront of a dock on
    the other side of my lake in about 20ft of water with only heavy weed
    cover,I have a 5 1/2 lb small mouth on my wall as proof,to my story.
      
        AND THATS A FACT !
    
    All questions are welcome and yes I am wearing a flak jacket so blast
    away. 8*)
    
    
    
    

    
       Boy I feel bad for that dead horse you guys have been kicking.
    
    
                                                         Kiv

    
    Hey,
    
    I'm amazed at how many times the co-mod from the boats file keeps 
    asking Johnny H-C the same questions and each time John dodges
    the bullet! I think if he just answered the questions directly and
    honestly no-one would be kicking the horse. But, until he answers
    the questions, I hope it's a BIG HORSE.
    
    Your Pal,
    
    Slammer
    

    	C'mon guys!  Isn't it obvious that Mr. H-C is the only absolutly
    pure human on earth?  From the way he talks down to everyone else he
    must live in a recycled paper house, drive a solar powered recycled
    aluminum car, compress the air for his tanks by hand so he won't use
    any power, NEVER buy anything packaged in plastic, grows all his own
    food (without any fertilizer).............. I must have missed at least
    a few other areas where he better than everyone else!.......  I know!
    It's also pretty obvious that there is NO septic problem in HIS lake
    front property..... Because he's full of recycled food!
    
    	---    ---
    	    \/    	B.C.
    	\________/

    You guys have a whole damn heard of horses!
    
    John, answer these questions that people keep eluding to. Then maybe
    some of this rat hole, back and forth bull will slow down. But then
    again what's the rat hole for!
    
    I for one learn a lot from your DES reports and your observations. I
    am sorry to hear you will not post any more. I also learn a lot from 
    the QUESTIONS people ask, when they are legitimate and not just fargus.
    
    Have a safe weekend folks.
    Don

    W O W!!!
    
                                    KIV

    
     Oooops....
     Forgot to put this in .16
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                       /          \
                      /   @   @    \
                     /              \
                    /       ^        \
                   /   \_________/    \
                  /                    \
                 /----------------------

    Going to miss that boy, ah woodchuck.
    
    RT

    Wow, thats lasted almost two whole hours so far. This could be 
    a record! Thats an interesting data point.
    
    Rich
    
    P.S. MR MOD, you can delete this instead of moving it when you feel the 
    urge!

    
    	WOW WOW!!!
    
    	Gitzit'
    

    How do y'all eviscerate your trout?

    Rich

    	Well, I think we all know how Slam does it. Can't say that I'd care
    to try any no matter how he prepares it however. 8-)
    
    Barry

    	I think that some of the words used by Levesque has overstepped the
    boundries of the notesfile decorum.  Adulation!  Give me a break! 
    Let's all talk to each other in a normal everyday fishing vocabulary.
    
    	Adulation!  HA ha ha aha
    
    	Swivel 

 'Scuse me. I keeps fergetting where I are.

    Lavender Jack !!
    
    Does this mean (the for sale note) that you're gonna need a
    new p_n here in the fishing notes??    Better not sell it too
    fast, I heard the Skoal Bandito won't think you're as cute without
    the purple boat !
    
    G-Man...
    
    P.S.  Is a new Ranger in store ???
    
    
    
    

    
    
    
               The only structure that holds a hawg for Rich
               is his hand.
    
    
    
                                        The Keg
                                        
             

>>    I think the color is called Cherry Fox - I think..
    


Jack...I may be a little color blind, but it's LAVENDER.  After all, that's 
how you got your nickname.

And even if you don't have that boat, we'll still fondly know you as 
LAVENDER JACK!  You're stuck with it.

-HSJ-    

    >>  >>    I think the color is called Cherry Fox - I think..
    >>
    >> Jack...I may be a little color blind, but it's LAVENDER.  After all,
    >> that's how you got your nickname.
    >>
    >> And even if you don't have that boat, we'll still fondly know you as
    >> LAVENDER JACK!  You're stuck with it.
     
    I don't know... Since Ol' Lavender is eyeballing a black cherry colored 
    Nitro 185 - we just may have to change his name to "Virgin Jack"  8^)
    
    -donmac
    
    8^)  oh oh - the doc may delete this one and remove my mod privs!!!

    re .18
    
>   Whats the chance of that happening???? 
    
    The chances of that happening are approx 1 in 2,413, depending on the
    size and color of the Nunya, as well as the ambient temperature and 
    atmospheric pressure.
    
    Ed
    
    P.S. What's a Nunya??
    

    I figured it out!! I woke up this morning and somehow I just KNEW what
    a Nunya is!
    
    A Nunya is "Nunya-bizniss!"
    
    Either that or it's a black-skirted jig (with a little bit of white),
    and tiny black sensible shoes... nah!
    

    Ya sure, who told you? 

    
    
    
               Rich did EWE tell him or did he figure it out by
               himself???
    
    
                                        The Keg

    
    
    
               Yo,D.B.
    
                    Stop bragging about that baitfish EWE caught will ya!
    
    
    
                                           your buddy
    
    
                                              The Keg

    	Isn't it amazing how most of the "peeing" contests seem to center
    around the same person...... again..... and again....
    
    				B.C.

 This has not gone unnoticed. Any ideas on how this problem could be corrected
can be sent to the moderators. (Banishing an unpopular noter from the conference
is NOT a helpful suggestion.)

 The Doctah

    mr. moderator,
       
    
      I say we take a vote....
    
    Mike (usually read only)
    
    

    	RE: .221
    
    	My comment was an observation.  I didn't suggest anything.
    
    				B.C.

    Swivel
    
    Your notes about dropping the I love it when and the I hate it when
    file was an interesting one.  While on one hand you staunchly defend
    the right to use slamming and busting as a fun thing, yet you want a
    note like mine dropped.  I for one had lots of laughs reading responses
    in both notes, but often miss the humor in the bashing file.  So what
    was the point of your request to delete those but keep bashing?
    
    You did raise a good point though, should we delete these two notes,
    after they become inactive? I say go ahead.  There are a lot of
    notes that have not had interaction in a long while I say we should
    look at all of them and make the call to drop or keep them.
                               

    
    	Good point about getting rid of the ones not looked at but some
    of the old ones contain information that I still use once and awhile.
    	I was not picking on you about the "I love it when..." and "I hate
    it when..." even though you started them.  It was merely a way of
    pointing out dead issues that could be cleaned up.
    	Sorry Mr. Ota.
    
    	Swiv

    	Just a little note about "All the Busting" that goes on in here.
    It took all of about 2 minutes to look this up.
    
    The last Night Tourney Busting Note:
    
    	Note was active for 18 days....  there were 19 entries.
    	That's about 1.056 per day.
    
    Rathole:
    
    	Note has been active for 255 days....  This should be the 226th
    	entry.  No doubt there were a few more deleted but still probably
    	makes less than 1 a day average.
    
    Give it a break guys!  Fishing is supposed to be a FUN sport!  I'd
    hate to spend a day in a boat with someone who can't take a little
    harassment.  Inner circles?  Outer circles?  Beautiful!!!
    Pick a circle!  There's the Salt water fishing from your own boat
    circle, the party boat circle, the bass tournament circle, the live
    bait circle, the trout only circle, etc., etc., AND the "We like to
    pick on each other" circle.  Feel left out?  Send mail to one of us.
    Let us know what you want.  Want to be picked on too?  We can do that,
    OR we can talk serious fishing with you like we do with each other
    between wisecracks.
    				B.C.

    Its kind of ironic that someone doing the name calling thinks the
    others are children. That shows you where that individual is coming
    from. 

    Then you have these two guys that said they left the file because of
    the busting. They were right there when it came up for discussion. 
    Some how I have trouble believing them.

    As for the inner circle, I don't think one exist. Over time you
    develop friends. I don't know anyone in the file that would purposely
    snub you, well maybe one.

    Rich  

    I am one of those folks on the fence about the busting.  Up until
    recently I felt it was getting out of hand and was offense in many
    cases.  However, I believe that the membership have been absolutely
    responsive and have toned down the tone of the busting and are really
    working on limiting it to the bustin and rathole section.  I also
    noticed that there are many of the hard core busters boycotting and 
    no longer input to this file.  Thats good and at the same time a sad
    loss of insight from some good fishermen.  I guess to say it again, I
    say leave the bustin and rathole in and leave the insults off the
    moderators when they move bustin notes from the main file to the
    bustin sections.  
    
    Brian

    
    
    	HEY HOLE SHOT....Hated to put the note in the Rathole but that
    	was a NICE........fish.
    
    	Man the crazy crawler in my tackle box has been collecting dust...
    	always thought it was a little aggressive.  Did the fish hit it
    	on the retrieve...or was the lure stopped.
    
    	Inquiring minds you know.
    
    	Gitzit'
    

    
Gitzit',

The hawg hit the Crazy Crawler on a slow retrieve about 10' from the boat.  
I normally have my drag set quite tight on my baitcaster (w/ 12# test line) 
and it still stripped line out.  By the way it was fighting, I really thought 
that I may have finally nailed an 8 lber!

As many of you already know, the Crazy Crawler (large size) is my FAVORITE
topwater plug and I've nailed a number of bass over 5 lbs, several in excess
of 7.  For some reason, it always seems to outperform a Jitterbug.  The
thing that I like about it is that the wings can be bent to fine-tune the 
action.

-HSJ-