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Title:Fishing Notes- Archived
Notice:See note 555.1 for a keyword directory of this conference
Moderator:DONMAC::MACINTYRE
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Sep 20 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1660
Total number of notes:20970

1424.0. "Techniques for ultra clear water?" by DELNI::OTA () Mon Jun 04 1990 17:00

    To go the opposite of fishing in heavy weeds this weekend I got to fish
    in an abandoned rock quarry that must be 120 feet deep in the drop. 
    The water was so clear you could see at least 40-50 feet down from
    where I was.
    
    I was using 8 lb test (the lightest I have) Tri Max  ultraclear.  We
    were using strictly artificials, rebels, spinnerbaits, jig and pigs,
    texas rigged worms, frogs, spooks, torpedoes, crankbaits, rattle baits
    you name it, I used it.  It was so frustrating, you could see 3-4lb
    bass sitting on the ledges sunning themselves.  I could at times just
    hang my rod over them and wiggle the baits in front of them.  I saw
    countless times a bass swim up, take a look and swim away.
    
    the guy who owns the quarry told me the only thing that seems to work
    is live bait.  He is not sure what they eat in fact he thinks they only
    feed on each other!
    
    Like a said this was a very frustrating experience the water was again
    ultra ultra clear and you could see the bass so clearly.
    
    So who has techniques for ultra clear water?
    
    Brian
    
    	PS  Think of it this way if we could see 3-4 lbs sunning themselves
    imagine the lunker deep below?  Also he stocked this think with
    rainbows a couple of years ago and hasn't caught on yet. I'll bank they
    were eaten by the bass long ago.
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1424.1POBOX::GAJOWNIKMon Jun 04 1990 17:523
    
    I fished a quarry like that once, just once.
    
1424.2Just our little secret!EUCLID::PETERSONFREEDOM-it ain't free!Tue Jun 05 1990 10:143
    
    	I don't suppose you could post directions?????
    
1424.3Might be worth a tryVICKI::DODIERFood for thought makes me hungryTue Jun 05 1990 10:4812
    	I've had decent luck with two different clear water techniques. One
    was to throw a 6" flat tail purple worm or a gitzit of either brown or 
    green and let it sink slowly to the bottom with no other motion. If
    you're inclined to use fish scents, this would be the time to use them.
    I've never tried them but the power bait worms or grubs would probably
    do well.
    
    	The other way was to (heaven forbid) troll a rebel crayfish slowly
    with lots of line out.
    
    	RAYJ
    	
1424.4Tried the power worms and crawfishDELNI::OTATue Jun 05 1990 11:587
    Sorry folks but the quarry is private property and is open only by
    invitation of the owner.  I tried the power baits and the 3-4 lb'er
    just swam up looked it over and turned around same went to the rebel
    crawfish.  I did get one hit with a rubber crawfish on a slider hook
    and honest to god as I hauled it up it broke my line right at my feet
    and I watched a 1 lb bass swim away with this rig in his mouth.  I
    forgot all about my scents though, next time they will be used.
1424.5can't get more subtle than that...TOMCAT::PRESTONfit as a fizzle...Tue Jun 05 1990 13:025
    I'd try lighter line (4-6lb test) and smoke colored grubs on red or
    unpainted jig heads...
    
    Ed
    
1424.6ASABET::VARLEYTue Jun 05 1990 16:323
     Try it real early or late. Also, try slender unweighted 4" worms.
    
    -- Bandito
1424.7Here's one clearwater technique that worksGEMVAX::HICKSCOURANTMon May 20 1991 10:5216
    This past Saturday night I put an old notion of mine to the test:
    
    All you need to do to catch large fish in clear water is go diving at
    night with a bright dive light. You can bag a bass, a perch, a lake
    trout, or a cusk with minimal effort. They're asleep, you see, and they
    just float there. Even if they wake up, they're mesmerized by the
    light. I grabbed a couple of striped perch and a few crayfish just to
    see how well they would survive the night in a submerged live-bait
    bucket. They did well, and the next morning they devoured a large
    earthworm in moments. I let them go after determining that they were
    all quite healthy after 12 hours in the bucket. 
    Freshwater is a completely different world at night. (During the day,
    you can nab catfish the same way, or at least I think you can, since I
    have succeeded in grabbing a catfish by the tail on several occasions.)
    
    John H-C
1424.8Jacking BASS???COLBIN::WHITMANAcid Rain Burns my BassMon May 20 1991 14:4914
John H-C,

(FLAME-OFF)

  Are you sure sneaking up on a sleeping fish & just grabbing it is LEGAL??  
As I recall the booklet you get with your fishing license tells you all the
ways fish can be taken, AND "jacking" was not listed as an option ;-)  It seems
to me it said something about a line and a hook and under some conditions a
net, but I distinctly remember NOT reading anything about being allowed to take
SLEEPING fish (sort of fish-napping, as it were) on SCUBA.  Where's the sport?

(still FLAME-OFF)

Al
1424.9;-)GEMVAX::HICKSCOURANTMon May 20 1991 16:152
    Sport?
    
1424.10Let me help you John.SOFBAS::SULLIVANMon May 20 1991 16:4318
    
     Let me put things in a more visual sense.
    
     From the American Heritage Dictionary
     
     Sport 1. An active pastime;diversion. 2. A specific diversion, usu. 
     Involving physical exercise and having a set form and body of rules;game
     3. Light mockery. 4. One known for the manner of his acceptance of
     defeat or criticism: a good sport 
     etc...
    
     There! now that I have cleared that up for you. Be a good "sport"
     and please answer the question in .8
    
     Your - Welcome in advance,
     
     - Slam
                           
1424.11Gee, thanks!GEMVAX::HICKSCOURANTMon May 20 1991 16:5917
    Well, catching fish in their own element certainly meets definitions
    number 1 and number 2.
    
    In fact, if we look up the verb "catch" in the dictionary, I think
    we'll see that "angling" is a little further down the list than
    the kind of fishing I was doing the other night. See the rathole for
    more details. This one will soon arrive there.
    
    It is illegal to take fish by spearing them in freshwater. No rules
    against actually catching them. But then, I'm basically a catch and
    release type.
    
    Then, maybe this kind of fishing belongs in the "Hunting"
    conference... as well as the rathole.
    
    
    Just thought I'd give you guys another perspective.....
1424.12Cud be invironmentally hazardus tooMSDOA::BEAZLEYMon May 20 1991 19:099
    John,
    
    I cud sure see how dis wud be dangerous, swimmin roun an ketchin dem
    fish, specially if chew wuz don chere in Loosiana wit all dat dannymite
    an lectric currants an all. I sure wudn't go don dere foo all de fish!!
    
    Coonass
    
    Besides chew hafta ketch dem one at a time too.
1424.13Lookie, Paw! A biggun floatin' up `ere!GEMVAX::HICKSCOURANTMon May 20 1991 22:311
    What!?!? You guys have clear water in Louisiana?
1424.14Com don an try it somtimeMSDOA::BEAZLEYWed May 22 1991 12:597
    As clear as raw sewage, awl platforms, an kemikal companies will allow.
    If chew TRIED to dive in sum ob dis water, chew wud hav to scrape off
    de goo!!
    
    But de fish are still dere!!
    
    Coonass
1424.15But I can't understand the locals!GEMVAX::HICKSCOURANTWed May 22 1991 13:266
    That's what I heard, read, and saw last time I was in the vicinity.
    Too bad. I've been told that Louisiana has the most polluted
    "fresh"water in the country.
    
    Do you eat the fish you catch? Or did C&R develop in Louisiana as a
    survival mechanism?
1424.16Ketch an let go, cher pecan!!!MSDOA::BEAZLEYWed May 22 1991 23:3013
    Ketch and release in Loosiana????NOOO WAAAY!! Cajuns look at fish de
    way chew look at ice cream!! Dey kin ketch dem 100 ways an cook dem
    1000 ways. Dey figger if de Lord didn't want to dem to ketch an eat
    dem, he wudn't hav put dem dere. De onliest plece in Loosiana dat chew
    cant eat de fish is rat near de banks of Ponchetrain, north an south
    shores.
    
    Most all de shrimps an oysters all ob chew eat com from don chere an
    chew eat dem, don chew?? Mos ob de redfish also com from chere. Mos all
    de famblies op chere on de north shore do commershal fishin ob som
    sort.
    
    Coonass
1424.17You lost me on "pecan"GEMVAX::HICKSCOURANTThu May 23 1991 09:3814
    Actually, most of the shrimp in these parts come from Madagascar. The
    local variety is a delicacy and rare to find in a supermarket anywhere
    off either cape.
    People have been advised against eating "red fish" for a long time, and
    cajun "blackened" cooking techniques lost some of their appeal when
    folks realized that it was developed as a way to cover up the odor and
    taste of putrefaction of fish caught in cajun waters.
    So much water in that part of the country, and so little of it is
    clean. Louisiana is one of the paradigms.  No matter how deep, clear,
    and open our own northern waters seem, they CAN be fouled beyond
    recovery; just look at Louisiana.
    I guess they don't have any fish stocking programs in Louisiana? If
    they do, doesn't it put something of a damper on the deity's role in
    the fish presence?
1424.18Were wurkin on itMSDOA::BEAZLEYFri May 24 1991 00:2123
    Mos ob de shrimps frum don chere go to China, de rice, salt an pepper
    goes op dere an de blakened stoff..mon dieu...only de turest bought dat
    stoff!! Anywun kin burn food! De mudbugs an alleygater dey keep don
    chere.
    
    Oh mais yea, do dey eber restock fish don chere! An de invironmentelist
    are wurkin too, Greenpeace, LEAN, CAF, an a bonch ob oders . Dere
    usin water plants to klen op de water, lak water hiacinths. Dere goin
    after de kemical plants an refinarys, but dey need to keep de jobs as
    well cause Looziana is de poorist state. Deres beaucoup water don chere
    an plenty fish too.
    
    Rat now de pollushun is real bad, but deres a lot ob wurk to mak it
    better an its gonna tak a real long tim too, for exampal in Orleans
    and Metairie Parishes by demsefs dere are tousands ob gravity septic
    tanks an bad sewer lines. All new wuns mus conform to de new state
    standurds an are called sewage treatmunt plants. Som ob dem hab been
    dere for two or tree hondert years an nobody knows where dey are.
    Sombody got to pay for takin dem out an puttin de new wuns in an de
    owners got no mony. De states broke as well, so dere jes aint no simpal
    solushuns.
    
    Coonass