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Conference wahoo::fishing

Title:Fishing Notes- Archived
Notice:See note 555.1 for a keyword directory of this conference
Moderator:DONMAC::MACINTYRE
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Sep 20 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1660
Total number of notes:20970

1019.0. "Can a Nissan Sentra haul a boat ?" by FURTHR::HANNAN (Dancin' Bear) Wed Mar 08 1989 12:15

	Upon hearing about the price increases at Quabbin, I says to
	myself (and to my wife) "that's it, I'm getting that boat!".
	A friend has a basic 14 or 16 foot fiberglass fishing boat 
	for sale along with a brand new 9.9 (or so) HP Mercury motor,
	ie, perfect for Quabbin, and I'm considering buying it.

	The only possible problem: I have an '84 Nissan Sentra, and
	I don't know if I can haul a boat with this car.  Does anyone
	know if I can hook up a trailer to this kind of car and haul	
	this boat around ?

	I've heard varying opinions on this: my mechanic (a friend) says 
	it's possible to get a trailer hitch on the car by attaching it to
	the frame.  But someone who I ran into who works at Nissan says he 
	wouldn't do it; that if you just stand on the back bumper that the 
	back of the car goes way down, and with the weight of the boat, 
	well... it wouldn't be so good.

	Anyone know from experience or gut feel ?
	
	Thanks...
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1019.1Maybe, maybe not??LEDS::BEAULIEUWed Mar 08 1989 12:3510
    A point of interest: The boat sitting on a trailer will not exert
    the full weight of the boat on the hitch this is called tongue weight
    and will be only a fraction of the full weight. I believe if you
    are going with a class 1 hitch, that the max is 2,000 lbs or 200lbs
    tongue load.  As far as your car being able to pull this , I think
    it could but if the boat/trailer requires more than a class 1 hitch
    I'd say it was too much!  
    
    Shawny Riber
     
1019.2go 4 itLUDWIG::KERSWELLWed Mar 08 1989 12:567
    
    Buy the boat!!! then about a week after, kinda break it to
    your wife like? Oh honey NOW I HAVE TO BUY A TRUCK, make her
    feel guilty and let her pick out the color.. Good luck!!
    
    			Ronni 
    
1019.3Total WeightWORSEL::DOTYRussell Doty, ESGWed Mar 08 1989 12:5816
    Key factor to look at is total weight of boat, engine, trailer,
    and any misc. stuff.
    
    Your car can probably handle around 1000 lbs.  I have an Audi 4000
    that has a towed weight rating of 1000 lbs (with a bumper hitch).
    I've been pulling a rig with a total weight in the 600-700 pound
    range, with no particular problems.  You have to downshift
    occasionally, but that's about it.
    
    My theory would be: under 800 pounds, go for it.  Between 800 and
    1000, think about it.  Over 1000, probably pushing it.  Make sure
    that you include odds and ends like battery, cooler, fuel, etc.
    in your calculations.
    
    Regards,
    Russ
1019.4It will work butCURIE::PLUMLEYWed Mar 08 1989 13:0117
    I use to own a 84 Datsun (I refuse to call them Nissan) sentra
    desiel two door sedan.  Std, no radio, no heater.    Traded it in this
    summer.  
    
    It cost me $100 +/- at U-haul to install a trailer hitch.  In addition
    to stylish commuting, I used it for two summers to haul my 15' Boston 
    whaler. (2200 lbs +/-)
    
    I cant say it did a real good job, but it did work.  In the interest
    of full disclosure, I should tell you that I lost a clutch pulling
    out of a lake in Framingham. 
    
    I'm not sure it happened because the car was overloaded, I believe
    it was a pre-existing problem.   I only had the oil changed three times
    -car care is not one of my strong points..
    points
    
1019.5Oh what a feelingMOSAIC::MACINTYRETerminal AnglerWed Mar 08 1989 13:1511
    Your owners manual will tell you how much you can tow.  But with
    a boat, and especially a fishing boat - the towing isn't the worst
    of it.  Launching and pulling the boat out of the water, trailering
    the boat down rough roads to get to that honey hole, etc...  
                                                                 
    I tried trailering my small (under 1000lbs boat/motor/trailer) boat
    behind a Ford Escort.  After a couple months of towing the boat
    I had to replace struts, tires and wheel bearings.  So I smartened
    up and bought an Toyota 4x4.
     
    donmac
1019.6Trailer BasicsLUDWIG::MATTSONWed Mar 08 1989 13:3737
    Dancin Bear,
    
    	Finally something I can reply to that I have experience on.
    Everything everyone has told you so far is good input(I think Ronnie's
    reply was the best). Look in your owners manual,usally it has what
    the weight capacity is for towing a trailer. If there's nothing
    there call the dealer.
    	Now some more basics concerning all trailers. First off your
    car either has a 4 cyl or a 6 cyl. No 4 cyl engine should ever pull
    a trailer more than 2000 pounds. If you have the 6 cyl engine it
    will have more than enough power to pull a boat the size you mentioned.
    If your real lucky and have an automatic transmission that's an
    added plus. The torque converter acts as a great buffer in that
    initial transfer of enery when starting to pull a trailer,once you
    get going it doesn't matter much weather it's an auto or manual
    transmission. You can tow with a manual transmission but the clutch
    will eventualy take a beating,especialy pulling a load up a boat
    ramp.
    	I haven't seen a vehicle yet that somebody doesn't make a trailer
    hitch for it. Like a note before though you'll want a class 1 hitch.
    I used to race dirt bikes years ago,when I first got started I pulled
    my bike to the races with a 4 cyl standard Capri. The bike,gear,
    and trailer probobly weighed 500-600 lbs. I never had a problem
    but I never had to go up a steep grade starting out.
    	My gut feel is the unit you described will weigh about 700-1000
    lbs trailer and everything(It would be real nice if the boat was
    aluminum,much lighter than a comparable size fiberglass). Even if
    you have the standard tranny and a 4 cyl engine you'll be able to
    pull the unit safely,but like when you snow plow with a 4x4,you
    have to expect a little more wear and tear.
    	I've been involved with friends that pull bikes right up to
    monster size Mud Boggers and can give you any hints or help you
    need,but I don't want to make this anymore long winded then what
    I already have. Give me a call if you like.
    
    					Gary S. Mattson
    					DTN:: 225-6648
1019.7Pray for rain and an early ice outISLNDS::GAFFNEYNASCAR **** 600 HORSEPOWERWed Mar 08 1989 14:1710
    You might have a problem at the Quabbin, as all the launches are
    gravel.  With the water so low, you practicly have to back half
    of your tow vehicle into to water, before you can get your boat
    off.  I used a 2wd Ford Ranger to haul my boat up there the last
    couple years, and there was more than one time, I whished I had
    four wheel drive.  With this winter's drought, we'll probably all
    need military 4wd weapons carriers to launch at Quabbin.
    
    Gone fishin
    
1019.8do you smell something burning ? :-)FURTHR::HANNANDancin' BearWed Mar 08 1989 15:3017
	Wow, a lot of responses!  Thanks everyone... I'll have to check
	the owners manual to check on the weight pulling capacity.

	A couple of people hit on some key points, the most important of
	which I think is getting the boat out of the water, like in
	gravel at Quabbin.  This is what I fear the most: getting stuck
	there and smelling a burning/melting clutch as I try to haul	
	out the boat along with the added weight of a HUGE prized lunker 
	laker :-).   This happened to me once *without* a boat (nor the
	laker:-() as I lazily  backed down to the pier to get my gear
	from the rent-a-boat...

	I think I might buy the boat and then take it from there.  I sure
	would like a nice powerful 4x4 pickup, but we just bought a new
	car last fall... kinda tough to handle all this stuff at once.
	But I'd think it would be kinda aggravating to have boat in the
	yard that I can't get to the water.