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Title:Fishing Notes- Archived
Notice:See note 555.1 for a keyword directory of this conference
Moderator:DONMAC::MACINTYRE
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Sep 20 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1660
Total number of notes:20970

911.0. "TauTaug in the Snow" by AD::GIBSON (Lobst'a Ayh'a I'm the NRA) Wed Nov 16 1988 11:55

    I've been reading quite a bit lately about fishing for TAUTOGS.
    Since we don't have that species of fish up north here, I'm
    not familier with all the finer details of angling for them.
    
    From the Info I've gathered the Taug eats green crab which is rather
    scarce around RI, Proberlly because Taugs eat them all? Green crabs
    are a dime a dozzen up here around Newburyport. I can catch hundreds
    in just a few minute's, Not that I would have a need to of course.
    Up until now.
    
    Lets hear from all you experts that live down on the Cape an in
    RI about the tackle one would need and some of the finer spots
    to persue this alledged gourmet fish. I'll judge the "Eatability"
    when I catch some fresh ones.
    
    Also how about some real recipies for them???  Taug Taters? 
    Taug-wich? Taug Chowder?  Whats good?
    
    Being as myself and most others have put up our boats for the season
    We would appreciate info on Charter Boats or goo surf casting spots
    or (Even Better) if some fine sole would like to take us out on
    there boat for instruction on the proper Style and Techniques of
    Taug ing? I'd gladly reciprocate with a COD trip come spring on
    Rainbow Chaser.
    
                                          Walt
    
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911.1Black Bass...AHAB::JOYCEWed Nov 16 1988 12:226
    Walt, catching a  tautog or black bass up here in NH/Mass is not
    impossible. I usally hear of a few taken every summer. It seens to be
    the guy fishing from the bridge or jetty that comes walking over
    and asks what kind of fish is this?
                        
    Steve
911.2hermit crabsWIND::DNCDEVWed Nov 16 1988 12:394
    green crabs are good allround but hermit crabs,if you can find them,
    will out fish every bait.
    
    Rick Egan
911.3Tautog fishingSAVVY::LUCIAThu Nov 17 1988 14:4824
I did exactly as Steve mentioned in .2 one summer.  I was fishing for fluke
with sea worms and I could feel the crabs nibbling on the worm, so I'd tug it
away from them a foot or two.  One of those tugs bent my 6 1/2' ugly stick
over (4lb line).  Whatever it was headed straight down to the rocks and
wouldn't come up for about 10 minutes.  I thought the fish had gotten away
and left the sinker stuck in the rocks but after a while, it came out and
I netted it immediately.   I turned to some people next to me to inquire
as to the species (I think I was 17 at the time, 6 years ago) and they
told me it was a backfish (Tautog).  I heard all ways to eat it from, "It's
lousy, make chowder out of it" to "Chowdering it is a crime".  I settled for
making steakss out of it which I broiled with lemon, butter & parsley.  It
was DELICIOUS!  

Tim

P.S. It was 10 lbs, 3oz at the marina where I weighed it.  They asked what boat
I caught it on and I told them I got it on the jetty.   They were shocked,
apparently fish that size don't get caught in shallow water all that much.

P.P.S.  When I cut it open, I found a green crab with a piece of my seaworm
in the mouth of the fish, so the crab actually caught the fish.  For the
rest of the week, I'd catch some snapper blues for crab bait, then fish
in the rocks for blackfish with the crabs.  Caught a few more, 2-3 lbs
but I'll never forget the 10lber.
911.4Bucktoothed BlackfishSPMFG1::CUZZONESSurfcasting with the AlienFri Nov 18 1988 22:177
    They definitely are to be found among the rocks.
    
    One of the local writers spears one every time he dives.
    
    Crabs are the best bait if you're not diving and spearing.
    
    -SSS-
911.5Mmmmm BlackfishNYJMIS::HORWITZBeach BagelMon Nov 21 1988 11:4554
    Walt--
    I think you might be at the upper end of the range for 'tog. But
    prevailing water temps are important- especially if you want to
    try catching them from shore/jetty. Water temps from ~48 - 60 +
    (F) are most productive [unfortunately this co-incides with striper
    season :-( ].
    
    Re: TACKLE   think STOUT !!!!
    	As mentioned in other replies, 'tog are found in rocky areas,
    and on wrecks, around bridge pilings, old docks, and just about
    any other sinker snag type terrain.  Stout tackle is required not
    to horse them out of the holes they dive into when they feel the
    hook, but to stop them from reaching the hole. This is one place
    where light tackle gets classified as "stunt fishing". 
    	As for terminal tackle, this is an area where less is better.
    The less hardware (snaps, swivels, etc) used, the fewer snags and
    fewer lost $$$. When one seeks blackfish, you must be prepared to
    lose rigs. One old saying goes: "if you're not losing sinkers, you're
    in the wrong place".
    	For hooks, the Virginia pattern is the standard. Beak or claw
    styles will work, But Virginias ar the best. These are usually labeled
    "Blackfish/Tautog" hooks. The best style of sinker is the bank,
    as it is least likely to hang up on the bottom. Although down here,
    you see a lot of old-timers using old spark plugs instead 10 cents
    an ounce lead.
    	Also, conventional tackle gets the nod over spinning, since
    you need brute power to stop that dive for the rocks. And, keeping
    your thumb on the line helps feel the hit. Even big 'tog can be
    very sneaky when it comes to stealing bait. 
    	When 'tog feed, it's a 2 step process, first they nip the bait
    with those buck-teeth up front,(one tap) and then move it back to
    the crushers in their throat (second tap). Between taps 1 and 2,
    they have an annoying habit of spitting out the hook. The trick
    is to nail 'em between taps, or, just before that first one. "good"
    'tog anglers 'hook 'em before they hit. This is a feel that is
    developed with time, but will really pay-off, since I have never
    seen a blackfish get "un-hooked". They have lips with the consistancy
    of rubber, and once hooked, they stay hooked.
    
    Oh yeah, almost forgot, 'tog can be caught all year, because they
    "migrate" in-shore - off-shore as the waters warm and cool. So if
    you have access to a boat, they are available almost all year round.
    
    As for cooking, tautog are among the most useful of fish. They can
    be cooked in any style, and are as good in a chowder as they are
    as broiled fillets. If you're really into seafood, they make a super
    fish stock when you boil the rest of the fish after the fillets
    are sliced off.
    
    One more thing, which ever bait you use, take along lots of it.
    Not only are the tog good thieves, but they usually are surrounded
    by bergals (cunners? in NE).
    
    Bagel
911.6Ah yes, Tautog...MERIDN::KPHILLIPSMon Nov 21 1988 22:06111
I got my first experience with tautog (or blackfish) a number of years
ago while working as a mate on the Capt Bill Van (out of Belmar, N.J.).
I'm glad I had that experience.

Tautog are in the wrasse family. They yield firm, white-meat fillets which
have a slight taste by themselves, or can take on the flavor of seasonings
and accompaniments quite nicely. I've had them fried, baked (with and without
seasonings and coverings), cooked in chowders, and made into tautog salad.
One of my favorite recipes is fillets dipped in egg, covered in italian 
flavored bread crumbs, then baked. They are a very good and versatile fish.

It's easy to catch them once you know the basic questions of WHEN, WHERE, WITH
WHAT, and HOW (but then again isn't any fish?). 

WHEN --
The biggest "trick" to successfully catching them is knowing when to go.
As Rich pointed out, they will come inshore in the spring and fall when
the water temperature is in the proper range. In New Jersey, this meant
late March to early April was the start of the spring run, and late September
to early October was the start of the fall run. Up in Buzzards Bay and the
Cape (Cod), they come inshore between mid to late April, and then again from 
mid to late September. 

Just as important as knowing the season, is to know which time in relation 
to tides to fish for them. I have found that in the inshore rivers and coves, 
tautog are very fussy about biting around and during slack tide.
Action will be dead until about 1 hour before the slack tide and will last
till about 1 hour after slack tide. The action will generally pick up starting
with the smaller fish, then as the tide slows down, the larger fish get
into the feeding. Interestingly enough, an article in the April 21-28 (1988)
issue of The Fisherman stated quite the opposite. It claimed that a running tide
is when they feed. Maybe different locations (inshore and offshore?) yield
different behavioral characteristics? I have been fishing the same spots
for a number of years, and have always found slack tide to be the only 
productive time.
      
WHERE --
Regarding where, it has already been mentioned that rocks are where you
will find tautog. An interesting point to note is that tautog can come well
inshore (as long as there are rocks). The biggest tautog I ever caught was
in a cove off buzzards bay. If I had a boat with an engine at that time, 
I probably would have passed right by this particular spot, thinking that 
it wasn't far out enough for decent size fish. Fortunately, everyone else 
probably thought the same thing and there were some very nice size fish 
(10-15 lbs) just waiting to take my bait. This means that there are many 
spots along the shore for boat-less (or engine-less) people to take some 
good fish.

If you can find a rocky hole or drop off that holds blackfish, it is more 
likely than not that there will be a group of tautog as opposed to one or
two. I have rarely gone fishing when they are in (and biting) when I have 
caught just one or two. Usually you either get many or you get skunked.
     
WHAT --
Regarding what tackle, Rich made a good point about the less (terminal)
tackle the best. A good set up is to tie a loop at the end of your line for 
your weight, then tie another loop in your line between 3" to 6" above this. 
Slip the leader loop through this second loop. Use a leader of between 12" to 
18". I find that 60 lb. Ande makes an excellent leader for tautog. For hooks, 
the Mustad Virginia (size 3 or 4), O'shaunesy 2/0, or Sproate (size?) are good 
candidates, but pretty much any sturdy, short shank, sharp hook larger than a 
flounder  hook and smaller than a bluefish hook is good. The Virginia and 
Sproate are what is usually sold as "blackfish" hooks.  I prefer single hook 
rigs to double hooked rigs, as you don't lose as much bait, and you must be 
ready for each fish as it strikes. The lightest weight you can get by with is 
desirable (as is usually the case).

One point I will differ is in the usage of spinning tackle. If you have
a good spinning reel and rod, you could have quite a fun time of it. A Penn
550 or 650, Shimano 5000, or equivalent reel with matched rod can do quite 
nicely with blacks. If you are using lighter tackle, increase the length of 
your leader. Many timesa tautog will bury itself in the rocks for only a few 
minutes. When it feels it is safe, it will back out. A good leader of decent 
length can stand up to this punishment, and still keep going when it's time 
to fight again.

Another note regarding tackle is that tautog are not particularly sensitive
to the appearance of your offering. With crab baits, you will have much of 
your hook exposed. Heavy leader or use of braided dacron line does not 
seem to have much of a reduction on the number of bites encountered.

Crab is by far the favorite bait when fishing for tautog. The most popular
types are green crab and fiddler crab. If you are using average size
green crabs (approx 2" bodies), cut the crab in quarters and using only
one quarter at a time. If you use the entire crab, you stand a better chance
at losing the crab without setting the hook. When tautog are biting, it
won't matter that much that your bait is already broken. a piece will
produce hits just as well as a whole crab. I have even been successful 
stretching out my last few crabs by using only one or two legs/claws at
a time.  Fiddler crabs are usually much smaller than green crabs, so 
one entire fiddler does just fine.  Hermit crabs will also work well,
but if the action is going fast and furious, you will spend more time
getting the hermits out of the shell than just hooking a single fiddler
or cutting and hooking a piece or green crab.

In addition to crabs, sand worms (sea worms), blood worms, and quahogs/clams
will also catch tautog, but this is not the first choice of bait. You
may also be pesterred by other undesirable fish with these baits.
                                                                 
HOW --
Rich did a nice job describing how a tautog hits, and how you have to set
the hook. The main point is be ready!


If anyone would like a copy of last April's Fisherman article on tautog, 
send me VAXmail at CTOAVX::PHILLIPS and I'll make a copy and send it to you.

-- Kevin
                                           
    
911.7Some people have all the luckVICKI::DODIERTue Nov 22 1988 08:1319
    	My brother caught one years ago in Plymouth Ma.. There is a very
    long jetty/breakwater in sight of the Mayflower replica. There is
    also a bridge on this where small boats can pass underneath. The fish 
    was caught from this bridge using sandworms.
    
    	It was probably dumb luck but my brother caught the fish on
    an unattended pole. It was a boat rod and was leaning against the
    pipe fence on the bridge. The first "tap" move the pole butt back
    about 6" while my brother was BS'ing with some tourists. The next
    "tap" had the pole off the ground and teetering at about a 45 degree
    angle on the fence while my brother was still BS'ing. Still my brother 
    does nothing. The next "tap" almost yanked the rod into the water. The 
    only thing that stopped it was the reel was pointed down and slammed 
    into the top of the pipe fence as it was pulled up to a 180 degree angle.

    	I don't remember the exact time of year but I do remember also
    catching mackeral that day.

    	RAYJ