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Title:	Fishing Notes- Archived
Notice:	See note 555.1 for a keyword directory of this conference
Moderator:	DONMAC::MACINTYRE

Created:	Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:	Fri Sep 20 1991
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1660
Total number of notes:	20970

797.0. "Artifical Bait vs Live Bait Fishing" by FENNEL::SLACK () Tue Jul 12 1988 15:14

    Note 792 made me think of this:
    
    While watching a PBS fishing show last Saturday the guy was saying
    that in the Adirondacks the ponds are identified/listed as either
    for artificial bait or live bait and that the right bait must be
    used in the right pond - or else...
    
    He also mentioned that many ponds are being restricted to either
    or scenarios, but not both and that the simple leisure sport of
    fishing is being more restricted.
    
    Does anyone know why states are starting to identify ponds for either
    live or articial bait?  What are the advantages/disadvantages for
    restricting ponds?  What is your preference.  Why can't live bait
    and artificial bait be used in the same pond?

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
797.1	PERHAPS THIS IS WHY?	SCOMAN::WOOLDRIDGE	Worm fishermen have stiffer rods	`Tue Jul 12 1988 15:30`	11
	YO, It is more difficult to catch fish on artificials. The lure and the presentation must "fool" the fish into thinking, "humm, looks real, looks edible, looks good" More than likely the ponds you speak of are under a population control. Live bait can fish out a pond of certain species of fish is the population is dwindled. It is no guarantee, but it can help. Especially if the ponds are fished for eating ie; trout/salmon. Perhaps these ponds are not stocked either and natural reproduction is the sole source. NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~~~
797.2	License X 2	NYJMIS::HORWITZ	Beach Bagel	`Tue Jul 12 1988 15:35`	5
	re: .0 Seems like the first step towards selling 2 licenses ;-) Rich
797.3	TRASH FISH PROBLEM?	GENRAL::HUNTER	from SUNNY Colorado, Wayne	`Tue Jul 12 1988 15:44`	12
	If it is anything like out West here, we have a real bad problem with the introduction of trash fish and etc. into clean waters by people fishing live bait. Colorado has many different waters which you can't fish live minnows or bait in due to the effects of trash fish. Might have something to do with that problem, also. It also restricts and gets rid of some of the meat hunters from the water so that you don't have to use a 10 foot club to get to the water to fish. We also have a LOT of waters that require a minimum size for keeping fish. This allows the fish to grow and reproduce naturally. In this case, it is MUCH CHEAPER to just stock the meat hunter water and give the fishermen some areas to be able to fish for native fish.
797.4	and from the minnow came the carp	SCOMAN::WOOLDRIDGE	Worm fishermen have stiffer rods	`Tue Jul 12 1988 17:13`	7
	YO WAYNE, What's-a-matta, you don't like those minnows getting dumped in Skagway or Rampart Range Rez and growing up into CARP?! Who needs trout and salmon! ha ha. NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~
797.5	It's a Plot I tell ya	CASV02::PRESTON	NO Dukes!!	`Wed Jul 13 1988 13:15`	6
	Where have you guys been? Can't you see it's a capitalistic conspiracy between the live-bait monopoly and the artificial lure cartel designed to gain control over the monetary resources of the fishing masses through totalitarian oppression?
797.6	WHAT HE SAID	6177::WOOLDRIDGE	Worm fishermen have stiffer rods	`Thu Jul 14 1988 14:06`	4
	YO PRESTON, I could not have said it better. Commie pigs. NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~
797.7	Are PLants LIve Bait	PCCAD2::RICHARDJ	Bluegrass,Music Aged to Perfection	`Mon Jul 18 1988 12:43`	8
	The indians use to crush the flowers and stalk of a mullien plant and place it into a pool of trout. This would temporarily intoxicate the trout so that they could pick them out with their hands. This would be considered live bait fishing, I guess. The drug isn't suppose to have an effect on the person who eats the fish, but remember indians used the bow and arrow against guns. Jim
797.8	Live Bait in Maine	CIMAMT::PANCHAL		`Thu Jul 21 1988 12:09`	22
	In Maine, the primary reason for designating waters as NLFAB (no live fish as bait) is to cut down on the introduction of rapidly reproducing and less desirable species (up noth that means anything other than trout, salmon, togue, and probably bass). There is much precedent for this since people were either knowingly or inadvertently introducing perch into small trout ponds (the result being that the perch spread like wildfire and the trout virtually disappeared). Two years ago, the big news was that some idiot had dropped white perch (not a native Moosehead fish) into Moosehead Lake (the white perch is a notoriously prolific breeder and tends to "take over" lakes and ponds). They fined the guy and I believe threw him in the slammer for a short period. Unfortunately, there are plenty of potential dummies ready to take his place. The effect on Moosehead so far is unknown. Of course, whether the law actually cuts down on undesirable fish introduction (seeing as it requires vigorous enforcement to really work) is open to debate. I've also seen people fish NLFAB waters with smelt or suckers that they thought they killed by tapping on the head once. More often than not, once they put the bait on the hook and cast it out it would still be swimming.