Conference wahoo::fishing

    YO MARTY,
                You going to the MOON?! 
    
                                           NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~
      

    
    Marty,
    
    Try flying a good sized TUNA - tons o' fun  and don't forget a good
    tail makes all the difference! ;-)
    
    Ripper

    
    
    	marty, your another one of those
    
    	SABER TOOTH CAT BAT fishermen,,, your gonna need an anchor
        to hold you on the ground, cause once they hit the air
        they'res no stopp'en'em.
    
        on the serious side no place that i no of, most places might
        refer you to cable.

    You guys have obviously never done any serious kite flying. I once
    had a kite so big that it pulled so hard that it broke the line
    and just flew off into the distance. You should have seen that kite
    :-).
    
    Anyway, the big line is used since it can take a lot of wear and
    tear and still be strong enough to hold down a kite. Remember that
    when you are fishing the line gets a little lubrication from the
    water and doesn't have stuff to rub against to wear it down. Also,
    kite line usually isn't put on nice big reels (I'm still trying
    to talk my Dad out of his 12/0 (I think it is a 12/0, it is the
    largest reel I've ever seen) Templar...) so it ends up getting
    dragged across the ground. Tying knots in the line also decreases
    it's strength.
    
    In a good breeze the bigger kites really do pull hard. Honest.
    
    Fishing for things in the sky reminds me of a story from that guy
    who writes the "Fishing by ?" books. He was in a jungle somewhere
    and there were those fish that climb trees sitting up in a tree.
    Seems that these critters eat bugs of all sorts so he takes out
    his fly fishing gear and throws a fly at the fish. Unfortunately,
    they don't go for it...
    
    I remember pulling in a seagull that had taken my floating anchovie.
    I couldn't just cut the line, the gull would have been a real hazard
    to itself trailing lots of line. Played the bird in until it was
    a couple of feet from the boat and then reached up and cut the line.
    
    	Marty Sasaki

    re. .4 ...ya mean your didn't GAF 'em???
    
    Yo Worm...this guy let a Gull go...geeez!

    re; .5
              YO MARTY,   Seagull BBQ'D is better than turtle I hear.
    I prefer the head raw however.... I too cannot believe you cut it
    loose! Plucking the feathers is a hassle however...
    
    The only big game line BassPro carries is Trilene. Largest test:
    125lb ultra clear, 1350 yds. will set you back 60 bucks. If it can
    catch the largest fish ever taken on rod & reel (a great white who
    weighed in at 3,427lb) I think it will work just fine on that kite...
                                                       
                                         NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    
    Are you sure that you want to hang something clear from a kite?
    
    Didn't the British hang wires from the barrage balloons during WWII
    to lop off the wings of the German airplanes as they flew by?
    
    Headlines: A flock of one-winged birds mysteriously crashes
    onto Hampton Beach, Audobon Society seeks death penalty.
    
    Just a thought,
    
    Dave
    
    

    YO DAVE,
             OK. Perhaps ANDE 130lb test GREEN would be better. ha ha.
    I am not into mass bird maiming. I only maim what I can eat. So
    Marty, only use ultra clear Trilene when you want to bring down
    birds or commercial airliners.
                                       NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~~~~

    There was a newspaper article about this kid who managed to get
    her kite hooked onto an airplane and got dragged and lifted up into
    the air before she decided to let go...
    
    Nylon is no good for kite flying, stretches too much so the Trilene
    is out...
    
    	Marty (looking for a catchy name) Sasaki

     RE: 9 
    	That article about the girl flying over her mothers picnic
    	table while they were eating is only about a month or two old.
    	it said the reason she let go was that she was headed for a
    	tree, dont blame her for that, well now she has a story for
    	life.

    On the serious isde I can relate to this Kite thing. A while back
    when I was young and foolish ( Now I just foolish) I Made a 6 ft
    by 6 ft Kite for my kid. Yea he's going to fly it?  It had hard
    wood struts and the covering was clear poly that they wrap thing
    in, like saran wrap.
    
    My brother in law and I tied Berkly 285 lb test twisted nylon line
    to it. You can by this in most feed and grain stores, its good for
    fishin too!  Well we had about a mile and a half of this sting out
    when a thunderstorm started to blow in, We wrapped the line around
    two by fours so as to not cut our hands when "Hanging on" this kite
    dammed near killed us! It certainly would have lifted a small child,
    anyone want to try it??
    
    By the time we retrived the kite, which by the way was clear and
    all that could be seen when aloft was a wodden cross. ( Interesting
    reports followed) it was filled compleatly with water from the rain.
    This kite held allmost 5 gallons and still managed to fly!
    
    I was woundering? What are your plans for the kite?? Maybe to fly
    a live pogy out over some big ol' Tuna ?? Huh??
    
    
                              Good luck !?!?!
    

    A serious reply....
    
    Call paul at the fishermans outfitter in danvers, ma. He does
    offshore in a big way and will have the dacron, but expect to pay
    big bucks, you might try danvserport marine in danvers also.
    
    Bruce

    Hey, a serious reply. Thanks. I will try the places that you mention.
    If you buy the line from a kite store you pay a huge markup anyway
    which is the reason that I asked the original question.
    
    I did some fishing using a kite a while ago. A friend made a small
    kite and we flew it using a spare rod and reel. A clothes pin held
    the bait to the kite and we then let the kite out. At the desired
    time I just gave the line attached to the bait a quick jerk and
    the bait just fell into the water. Talk about long casts...
    
    Kite fishing does present problems though. Usually the wind is blowing
    in the wrong direction, and it is much simpler to use two people.
    Also, some localities specify one rod/reel per fisherman and it
    usually doesn't matter that you have a kite tied on the other rig.
    
    	Marty Sasaki

from -.1
<    I did some fishing using a kite a while ago. A friend made a small
<    kite and we flew it using a spare rod and reel. A clothes pin held
<    the bait to the kite and we then let the kite out. At the desired
<    time I just gave the line attached to the bait a quick jerk and
<    the bait just fell into the water. Talk about long casts...
    
	Sounds like a great way to get the minnows out over the Wachusett
Resevoir in search of the lunker lake trout.....

	For those not familiar, the Wachusett is a "no boats" body of water
with some BIG fish in it.  I've heard of people using Radio Control boats
to get their bait out deep, but the MDC (cops) consider them boats.  Now
what would they think of a kite??????


			Al

    There's always those radio controlled model planes... and how about
    a small hot-air balloon? Sound like a challenge!
    
    Ed
    

    I just picked up some Nylon twine 170 lb test at spags $2.99 roll.
    its the same type that I mentioed you can get in farm stores..
    
    I'm not going to use it for a kite but it will be fine for cod line.
    
                                                   Walt
    

    Wots dat nylon trot line rated at??? Deres PLENTY much ob dat around.
    
    Coonass

    Nylon is bad news for kite flying, it is two strechy. As I mentioned
    in a previous note, usually you don't use a good reel so you substitute
    something else. When you wind line under tension onto a reel all
    the tension slowly builds up and if the reel isn't built properly
    the whole thing will just explode. I remember hearing stories of
    Penn reels with plastic spools just blowing up...
    
    Dacron is better since it doesn't strech so much...
    
    	Marty

   re .18 "Spools blowing up" I have seen it happen. Only goes to show
    you get what you pay for.
    
    Rich

YO,
     Should have bought an ABU GARCIA. 
                                         NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~~

    Spools, mainly plastic ones, blow up from the build up of pressure
    from winding on monofilament under too much tension. This has happened
    to me (ouch) on a Penn squidder when fighting the last in a series
    of blues in the mid- to high-teens. AFTER that happened, I was told
    this simple trick to avoid a recurrance:
    	Use 30-50 yards of braided line, heavier than the mono, as backing.
    	This should not be too tightly wound, and will serve as a buffer,
    	absorbing almost all the increased tension. Also, after subjecting
    	the reel to increased pressure, strip the line of and re-wind.
    
    
    Bagel

    Bagel,
    	Your right, backing should be used when there will be a lot tension
    on the line. Several of my reels have instructions recomending this 
    practice (even on metal ones) to avoid warping or breaking the spool. 
    Metal spools will warp too.
    
    Rich

    Thanks, guys! I've just got a great new excuse.. err, reason.. to
    use some day...
    
    "I had this absolute *monster* hawg on the line, and after a long
    and exhausting duel, *just* when I was about to get him in the boat,
    the reel *exploded* from the incredible pressure, and he got away!"
    
    Yeah... yeah, that's it... that's the ticket...!  
    
    **Ka-Blam**!!!
    
    Ed
    

    YO PRESTON,
    re. 23            I know, " hate it when that happens!"
                                                            NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~

    re:.23/.24
    
    Well..... some of us have to throw back BASS under 12#.
    		what's the record on those largemouth sunfish?
    
    Bagel _just_bustin'_the_'bassers'_
    

    YO BAGEL,
               Is it 12# for keeping Black Bass (tautog?).. I though
    it was 5#. 
                NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~

    YO WOIM....
    	I'm talking 'bout REAL BASS, the kind with green backs,
    silver/white bellies and 8 to 10 black stripes down the sides.
    
    (Only some NE states have limits on 'tog)
    
    Bagel

    YO BAGEL,
               ahhh stripers. Check. 
                                        NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~

    Hey Rich,
    
    The World Record for Striped Bass is 72 lbs and it was caught, now
    get this, at Cuttyhunk Mass in '69
    
    The world record for Black Sea Bass is 8 lbs 12 ozs and the one
    for the Giant Sea Bass is 563 lbs 8 ozs.
    
    Now as everyone in the world knows the record for the Largemouth
    Bass is 22 lbs 4 ozs. and the Smallmouth is 11 lbs 15 ozs.
    
    Tight lines, Ranger Ron

    re:-1 
    RR...your New England chauvinism is showing....
    	The World Record Striper _78_lbs (and some oz) was caught in
    	the Atlantic City, NJ surf. This fish surpassed the 76 lber caught 2
    	years before off Montauk (in a boat), which surpassed Tony
    	Stetzko's 73 lber from Nauset Beach, Cape Cod. All of these
    	were caught in the late '70's and the 80's.
    
    Re; the Black sea bass, Giant sea bass: we have to be careful here
    because of local names for fish. A few replies back NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~
    referred to tautog as black sea bass. In South Jersey, they are
    called 'slippery bass'. Also, California has a whole bunch of "sea
    bass" types, of various colors and patterns.
    
    Rich