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Title:Fishing Notes- Archived
Notice:See note 555.1 for a keyword directory of this conference
Moderator:DONMAC::MACINTYRE
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Sep 20 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1660
Total number of notes:20970

729.0. "International Baits" by SEDSWS::CARNEY () Thu May 19 1988 15:57

    
    
                            HELLO FROM THE U.K.
    
    HOW ABOUT GETTING SOME REALLY USEFUL INTERCHANGE (INTERNATIONALLY!)
    GOING ON THE SUBJECT OF BAITS. I'M SURE THAT WE USE STUFF OVER HERE
    THAT IS ALIEN TO YOU AND VICE VERSA.
    
    HOW ABOUT IT?
    
    IF SO HOW ABOUT SUGGESTIONS RE FORMAT ETC
    
    .......with "baited" breath.......DC
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729.1Wanted: Dead or AliveVAX4::TOMASJoeThu May 19 1988 18:165
Hellooooo U.K.!

By "BAIT," do you mean live bait or artificial baits?

joe
729.3BITS OF BAITSEDSWS::CARNEYFri May 20 1988 11:0114
    
    Joe
    
    All sorts!
    
    My main interest is in carp fishing and over here that entails
    concocting all sorts of "artificial" baits e.g. BOILIES etc.
    but not wishing to make this forum too biassed I would suggest
    that any kind of bait (i.e. dead, alive, natural, unnatural or
    downright perverse!) might be worth a mention.
    
    ps do you happen to know anything about "process catfish baits"?
    
    DC
729.4GLOW WORMS?!STRATA::WOOLDRIDGEFri May 20 1988 11:1710
    YO U.K.!
                 I like corn for carp. As far as procedded baits there
    are many. BLOODBAITS are great for cats and carp. The more sickening
    the better.
         I read about something in the U.K. a ways back about "GLOW
    WORMS" As I understand it they are live grub like creatures that
    are actually of various flourecent colors! WOW! Whats the story
    on these hummers?
                                               cheers,
                                                        NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~
729.5Baits I've Known and Loved!MODEL::DOWNINGFri May 20 1988 11:5918
    Best Baits for Trout in Mass (all hatchery-bred, mostly rainbows):
    
    1. Combination white or yellow (corn-flavored) mini-marshmallow 
    and red salmon egg.
    
    2. Either one of the above alone.
    
    3. Nightcrawlers.
    
    4. Small earthworms.
    
    5. Small shiners.
    
    6. Grass shrimp (Cape Cod)
    
    7. Kernel corn
    
    
729.6A better trout baitANGORA::BUSHEELiving on Blues PowerFri May 20 1988 12:236
    
    	ANY color mini-marsheallow and a mealy worm will beat the
    	combo of marshmallow and salmon egg any day in all the
    	waters I fish. (Northern central MA)
    
    	G_B
729.7One More for the Hit ParadeMODEL::DOWNINGFri May 20 1988 12:431
    Never tried marshmallow/mealy worm, but will now !
729.8mellowsSCOMAN::KERSWELLSat May 21 1988 10:427
    
    trout seem to be like little kids, and love those minny mellows.
    i've produced many trout on them but like to catch them on small
    spinners while useing mellows on the other rod......
    
    
    					Ronni
729.9Carp on artificialsSA1794::CUZZONESdown the hatch without a scratchMon May 23 1988 10:118
    
    Everything I've read and heard says that Carp won't strike an
    unflavored artificial lure (piece of metal/plastic/wood) but yesterday
    on the Conn. river, I saw what looked like a decent sized carp (between
    4 and 8 pounds seen from 30 feet away) caught on a shad dart (lead
    jig).  
    
    Steve
729.10How to Zander fishing??ADVAX::ALLINSONMon May 23 1988 12:5914
    
    
            Re. .0
    
             Hello DC. I know that you use live and dead shiners for
             Zander or Pike as called in the US.Do you use any artificials
             on them??? I like to use Zara Spooks and large rebels.
             
             Do you have any information on Quick strike rigs,how to
             make them,are they sold in stores??
    
    
                                             Lindsay (The keg)
    
729.11quike striking for beginnersVIDEO::LEVESQUEMon May 23 1988 14:0730
    re .10
    
     I don't know of any stores that sell ready-made quick strike rigs
    but they are easy enough to make yourself. Step one- learn how to
    snell a hook. Practice this a few times.
    
    1. Snell a small treble hook on about 2 ft of leader material, leaving
    about 10-12 inches on the tag end. (the end you pull on to tighten
    the snell)
    
    2. Snell a second treble hook on the tag end of the first. Make
    sure not to leave too much slack between each hook. The proper amount
    is determined by the size of the bait. The hooks should be positioned
    so that the bait can be hooked in the head with the first hook and
    in the side around the vent with the second. Proper length between
    hooks is critical with this rig. Too much slack between the hooks
    on a rigged bait and the trailing hook becomes far less effective.
    Too little and the bait spins (turns off most gamefish.)
    
     Set the hook on the pickup. This prevents a large, toothy critter
    from swallowing this mess and allows for a clean release. This rig
    is against the law in New Hampshire on all lake trout and salmon
    lakes (at least). Maybe its against the law totally. I don't know
    for sure. Any help? I used this rig a few weeks ago on smelt while
    trying to bag my first ladlocked salmon. The warden was quite
    displeased. I didn't get fined (I guess he figured that anyone willing
    to freeze their *ss off for five hours didn't need more than a stern
    warning.) Didn't have any luck anyway.
    
    the doctah
729.12SWEETS?SEDSWS::CARNEYThu May 26 1988 09:379
    These marsh mellows are the the candy type confection that kids
    love?
    If so how do you fish them.....straight on the hook or by other
    methods?
    and.......how do you flavour them......could be just the thing i'm
    looking for!
    
    
    CHEERS DC
729.13UK CARP APPETITESSEDSWS::CARNEYThu May 26 1988 09:5121
    I'VE nver managed to catch any Carp on artificial lures and indeed
    have never seen any caught by this method.(i did try it for a spell
    a couple of seasons ago using minnow type lures but no joy!)
    here are a few baits that regularly take Carp over here in England;
    
    SWEETCORN
    LUNCHEON MEAT
    MAGGOTS
    BREAD
    LOBWORMS
    GLACED CHERRIES
    DOG BISCUIT 8(MIXER TYPES)
    DRY CAT FOODS
    SAUSAGE MEAT
    BLACK EYED BEANS
    TIGER NUTS.........(POOR TIGER!)
    HEMP
    
    There are a whole host of other artificial baits (boilies etc) but
    the few mentioned here rep��r......(line noise!! )represent
    the easiier to prepare types  de
729.14Mallow YallowMODEL::DOWNINGThu May 26 1988 09:5620
    Look for products with names like "Mini-Marshmallows" in the store.
    The mallows are about 3/4 inch cubes. I usually just use white ones,
    but they'll soak up just about any flavor you want to use (including
    fish scent). Fishing tackles stores sell colored ones in both corn
    and cheese flavors.
    
    What I do is thread one mallow onto a # 8 Eagle Claw bait hook and move
    it about halfway up the shank. Then I attach a worm or salmon
    egg to the hook just below the mallow. Use 4 lb test line and a
    small split shot to get rig to bottom.
    
    I think the reason it works so well is:
    
    1. The mallow acts like a little float so that the bait is completely
    visible instead of covered by mud.
    
    2. It's sort of like the pellets that hatchery trout were reared
    on.
    
    Then again, it could be the position of Mars with respect to Venus!
729.15MALLOWS and EggsRGB::SWEENEYTue May 31 1988 09:5620
    Well I tried the MALLOW w/ Salmon eggs Sunday afternoon... And it
    produced. 14" Rainbow... I figured I was in for a nice active evening
    catching trout. Well I put the Mallow w/ Salmon eggs back in the
    same spot. 5 mins. later I got a big strike. Sent my fishing pole
    flying. Didn't hook em though. Got rebaited and put it back in the
    same spot. I was ready this time. Got the strike and hooked the
    sucker. Well he took in to shore to my left and under a clump of
    trees. I tried pulling him out and he didn't fight. It felt like
    I had a ton of weeds on there. The rod was almost bent in half but
    no action. I figured I lost him and was hooked on a huge branch.
    Well as I pulled this thing closer I could see about 10 feet away
    a big black clump of what looked like weeds or a tree come out of
    the water. I quickly looked again. It was a big ole snapping turtle
    some 12+ inches across the shell. His head rose above water for
    a second and then he took off to the middle of the stream and went
    right under a submerged tree. I pulled some more until finally the
    line broke. So trout aren't the only criters that like this MALLOW
    Salmon egg combo... Thanks for the tip. 
    
    Jay
729.16The Go-Anywhere Do-Anything Bait!MODEL::DOWNINGTue May 31 1988 10:285
    That's a first...but I'm not surprised. The only problem with mallows
    is that they seem to attract everything, including critters I'd
    rather not catch. 
    
    Wonder if mackerel would go for 'em?
729.17No baloney !!HEFTY::CUZZONESdown the hatch without a scratchTue May 31 1988 10:3411
    
    Has anyone tried cold cuts for trout?  I promised my 7 year old
    I'd take him fishing sunday and left the tackle box at home.  All
    I had was one hook already tied to the line.  So we went to the
    closest convenience store and ordered a 1/4# of baloney ( one thick
    slice).  In a couple of hours, we caught two 12" brookies (stocked)
    and a half dozen creek chubs.  The brookies were persistent ...
    stripping the baloney from the hook time after time until my son
    finally drove the hook home.
    
    Steve
729.18OK...Try This!MODEL::DOWNINGTue May 31 1988 10:562
    You think that's weird...when I was a kid I caught bass on Cheerios!
    Top that!
729.19pre-cleaned fish?VIDEO::LEVESQUETue May 31 1988 12:409
    I can top that easy. When was a little critter, about 10 or 11,
    I used to want to go fishing all of the time (some things never
    change). I read in a magazine that a good bait for trout when ice
    fishing was soap. That's right, soap. (Not Ivory though, 'cause
    it floats). The best was yellow soap. I don't remember the brand
    but we caught a whole bunch of rainbows using scraps of soap I had
    my mother save.
    
    The doctah... 
729.20WHAT BAIT?????????????????????WELSWS::CRUMPTue May 31 1988 13:1612
    A GOOD CLEAN TALE
    
    WHEN TRYING OUT A NEW ROD I CAST OUT WITH NO BAIT ON THE HOOK
    BUT ON RETREIVE A 2.5LBS TROUT TOOK THE HOOK.
    FANTASTIC CHEEP FISHING (THE NEXT HOUR I BAGGED 0)
    I HAVE NOW BEEN USING WASP GRUBS WITH SOME GOOD RESULTS
    BUT I MAY TRY SOME SWEETIES THIS WEEKEND ON THE BROADS.
    
    WHAT ARE NIGHTCRAWLERS?????????????????????????????????
    
    
    CRUMPY..
729.21Eatin' Humble Pie!MIMIC::DOWNINGTue May 31 1988 13:472
    Well wash my mouth out with soap!
    
729.22"Lobworms=Nightcrawlers"RANGLY::BLUM_EDTue May 31 1988 14:3918
    
    
    I used to use yellow soap for catfish, carp and buffalo fish as 
 well...worked sometimes other times not at all. Who knows why??
    
    Grumpy...we call em nightcrawlers, in the UK they are called Lobworms..
 I think...!???
    
                                   Tight lines
    
                                       ED
    
                  Who now needs to wash his hands again!!..:^)..!!