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Title:Fishing Notes- Archived
Notice:See note 555.1 for a keyword directory of this conference
Moderator:DONMAC::MACINTYRE
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Sep 20 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1660
Total number of notes:20970

599.0. "CAMPING N' BOATING QUESTION" by PLDVAX::BUSHEE (George Bushee) Tue Feb 09 1988 08:57

	I have a slight problem, I have a pickup camper that I bought
	so I could make some nice long weekends fishing all of New
	England. The problem is now I can't figure out how to bring
	my boat along. I tried asking this in the RV conference, but
	I guess none of the people there are fishermen. The camper
	is a 10 foot unit that overhangs the rear of the truck by
	a couple of feet, covering the step-n-tow bumper(my hitch).
	Has anyone out there figured a way to get around this problem?
	BTW, the boat is a 10 foot jon boat, so I don't want to spend
	BIG bucks just to take a small, cheap boat along.

	Thanks,
	G_B
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599.1Boat loaderHELIX::COTHRANTue Feb 09 1988 10:2727
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PLDVAX::BUSHEE "George Bushee"                       14 lines   9-FEB-1988 08:57
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>		I tried asking this in the RV conference, but
>	I guess none of the people there are fishermen. 

	Sorry George.  I was one that said I would get back to you.

>	The camper is a 10 foot unit that overhangs the rear of the truck by
>	a couple of feet, covering the step-n-tow bumper(my hitch).

	I've found in the LL Bean "Sporting" Cataloge, and also in 
	the latest Sears Cataloge.  It's called a boat loader.  The 
	pole that is used is 54" long, (if I remember it can be extened to 
	that lengh.  The pictures show it loading ontop of a car.  Not 
	sure if it will work for a camper.  I'll bring in the ad in
	tomorrow and post the description.  The price in both cataloges was 
	34.95, give or take a couple bucks.
	
	Bryan

    
599.2VIKING::MACINTYREIn search of the Largemouth Bass...Tue Feb 09 1988 10:397
    If putting it on top is too much trouble, for a few more bucks you
    can get a small trailer - Calkins sells a small boat trailer for
    under $300 -- and mounting a step-down hitch plate to the bottom
    of the rear bumper should solve the bumper overhang problem...
    
    Don Mac (heading for Okeechobee for some camping and boating of
    his own in 43 days, but who's counting)
599.3few more questionsPLDVAX::BUSHEEGeorge BusheeTue Feb 09 1988 11:4112
    
    	RE: .1
    
    	  Is the "lift" mentioned just a lift, or a lift/holder
    	combo? Off the top of my head I don't recall the exact
    	height of the truck/camper, but it is around ten feet.
    	Add another two or so feet to that with the boat on top
    	and I might be in trouble(?) with bridges and such? How
    	does it handle the wind currents found atop of a camper?
    
    	Thanks again,
    	G_B
599.4Just GuessingMTBLUE::OKERHOLM_PAUTue Feb 09 1988 12:0515
    	I think that even with a box type trailer hitch, extending the
    ball out 2' would be a bit much. I also think that getting the boat
    up on a ten foot high roof would be very difficult. I bet you could 
    fashion some sort of bracket to permit mounting the boat on the side 
    of the  camper but I don't know if you want to get into that kind
    of hassle. 
    	My vote would be for the roof mount as the least of these
    three evils. I believe that trailer truck boxes are 14' high so I don't
    think you will have difficulty with most bridges (Definately check
    this out to be sure). Tree branches etc. on the other hand may be a 
    problem. 
    	I know this isn't much help, but I think in this case even 
    the best solution will still result in a fair amount of aggravation.
    
    Paul   	Who_hopes_his_pessimistic_observations_are_wrong.
599.5hauling boat with pickup camperCSMADM::CONROYTue Feb 09 1988 16:3412
     
      Most
    of the folks who go to the cape for striper/blue fishing and spend
    the weekend camping on the beach take their boat along. Since many
    are carrying 10-11 1/2 foot campers on their pickups, they extend
    the bumpers at a local welding shop. They also use the space between
    the camper and the new bumper location to put a plywood shelf on
    which they carry a spare tire. I will take some pictures of the
    rig and send them to anyone who requests.
    
                   Mike
    
599.6I'd like to see it!!ANGORA::BUSHEEGeorge BusheeWed Feb 10 1988 09:3711
    
    	RE: .5
    
    	 Yes, I'd like to see a picture of this setup, I'm really not
    	fond of the idea of putting anything on the roof if I can help
    	it.
    	My maile stop is:   LMO2/E05
    
    	many, many thanks
    
    	George Bushee
599.7But is it SAFE?HPSTEK::CYGANWed Feb 10 1988 09:5423
    Extending the bumper another couple of feet might sound like a great
    option for you, but be VERRRRY CAREFUL that you don't adversely
    shift the center of balance (Horizontally) too far back.  You COULD
    find yourself sitting upright on the tail of your camper if you
    hit some severe road excursions, (or off-road conditions), if it's
    too far back.
    
    Granted, I've seen people do some VERY strange things, and this
    sounds like it fits that category.  My suggestion is to see if you
    can find a reputable R/V dealer who's experienced in installing
    hitches, who will install the extension for you.  If you find one
    who will do the work, and guarantee no loss of stability, it's safe
    to assume you've got a stable platform!  You might also look into
    what the state police feel about such rig's (before smokey gives
    that ticket).
    
    Just some words of caution.  By the way....ever thought about buying
    a fol-boat or inflatable?  I've seen several fold-boats (folded down
    the middle) strapped to truck camper sides.  It'a always an option.
    
    Hope you find a SAFE solution to your problem!!!
    
     
599.8DARTS::WIERSUMThe Back Deck WizardThu Feb 11 1988 08:076
    
    
    George..
    barrow the TEXICANS green monster, throw in the boat and tow them
    both.
    
599.9Why spend money?BPOV09::MROWKAThu Feb 11 1988 09:035
    
    If no one is riding in the camper while you are traveling... and
    it is only a ten foot boat... maybe you could just put it inside
    the camper for the trip to and from your campsite?
    
599.10Back to the dealer I guessPLDVAX::BUSHEEGeorge BusheeThu Feb 11 1988 09:4220
    
    	RE: .9
    
    	 I had thought of doing just that until I measured the
    	inside dimensions. It will fit, but only if it's tipped
    	up inside so the bow of the boat goes up into the top
    	bunk area. I don't care for this idea too much for I feel
    	it'll end up trashing the inside of the camper. Hey, I
    	only paid $100 for the boat and a couple of grand for the
    	camper. The inside of the camper looks pretty much like
    	new and I'd like to keep it that way. I am starting to wish
    	I had bought a tent trailer instead of the camper, atleast
    	I wouldn't have to worry about bringing the boat. :^>
    
    	 Guess it's time to head back to the dealer and see what he
    	suggests (tho, I do hate the thought of the cost with that).
    
    	Thanks again,
    	G_B
    
599.11one man boat loaderTHRUST::COTHRANThu Feb 11 1988 16:5930
    
	Okay, i got the poop.  It's out of a Sears catalog (Boating 
	and Fishing).  LL Bean had same one for same price.

	Page 59 item #16 read like this....

	One-man boat loader fits standard hitches.  Vinyl coated steel 
	clamp adjusts to hold boat at transom.  54" steel pole, tightens 
	without tools.  Requires 1 carrier bar not included.  Price 39.99

	The carrier bar is item #14  each is 22.99; two for 36.98.  My 
	guess is that you could find one cheaper.  

	The description does not say it can be used on a camper or 
	either item.  My guess is that the poll is no were long 
	enough for what you're looking for.  

	This catalog also has trailers listed on page 54.   A quick
	description of two trailers with a capacity of up to 600lbs follows:

	The 600lbs capacity trailers have an adjustable keel roller, 24" leaf 
	springs and 4.80x8" tires; trailer (a) measures 15' 3" x 56" ans is 
	designed for use with boats from 10.5' to 14.5'.  Trailer (b) is same 
	as (a) except for ....measures 11' 9" x 56" ans is designed for use 
	with boats up to 10.5' long.  Price of (a) = 449.99, (b) = 399.99

	there is listed two other type trailers, capacity of 1200 and 
	730 lbs.

	Bryan
599.12Camper Roof Mounts WorkWORSEL::DOTYESG Systems Product MarketingMon Feb 22 1988 22:0830
    I've carried a 12' aluminum boat on top of an 11' camper for close
    to 20 years.  The truck is a Ford 4 door, 1 ton pickup, so it has
    no problem with the weight.  The rig has gone too and from Alaska,
    through Canada, and from the East coast to the West coast.
    
    We have not had any stability problems, and no clearance problems
    on major roads.  Filling stations are a different story -- either
    stay away from covered pumps, or have someone check clearance!
    
    We had a custom carrier welded up, consisting of vertical "U" channels
    that bolt to the camper sides and pieces of 1" pipe going across
    the top.  Any welding shop should be able to handle this fairly
    cheaply.
    
    The major problem is loading and unloading the boat -- takes two
    people to wrestle it on and off.
    
    The only real problem that we have had is that constantly walking
    across the top of the camper opened some roof seams and caused leaks.
    If you have a one piece roof, this shouldn't be an issue.
    
    I am currently in the process of upgrading to a trailer hitch. 
    A frame extension made of heavy C-channels can easily be added,
    and a standard frame mount for a pickup bolted on.
    
    For ease of use, a trailer is far easier than loading/unloading
    from the roof.
    
    Regards,
    Russ Doty