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Title:Fishing Notes- Archived
Notice:See note 555.1 for a keyword directory of this conference
Moderator:DONMAC::MACINTYRE
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Sep 20 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1660
Total number of notes:20970

525.0. "Trout Fishing" by CASV04::PRESTON () Tue Nov 10 1987 11:09

Last Friday I was taking to a guy who makes custom fishing rods - as an
avocation - and he seemed very knowledgeable about all aspects of fishing...

I asked him about the use of gold-treated hooks and the idea that they 
cannot be digested - rust away - inside a fish if he swallows it and gets 
away (or is released, as would undoubtably be the case with the superbly
skilled anglers reading this file). He said that the hooks are treated
with a very thin gold "wash" which is not sufficient to make it impervious
to the fish's stomach acid, so will not cause a problem to the fish. He said
the main reason for the gold treatment is that the glitter makes it attractive 
to trout.

I also mentioned the use of corn as bait for trout. He said is illegal in 
many places, because it is so difficult for the fish to digest properly -
hazardous to their health. Clogs them up, I guess. He suggests marshmallows
or salmon eggs.

Comments?

Ed
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525.1Illegal Advantage!RAINBO::BEAUDREAUTue Nov 10 1987 13:0217
    
    
    
    Yes, I believe that corn is illegal in RI.  It wasn't about 10 -
    15 years ago.  I used to use it on opening day with good results.
    We would throw out a handful for chum, then wait fo the action.
    
    This past spring live grubs were popular.  Northwest RI has some
    real good trout lakes and streams like Round Top and Wallum Lake
    both AAA rated.  I've also heard that landlocked salmon have been
    taken at Wallum and native lake trout are common.  Douglas State
    Park has a ramp.
    
    As for gold hooks... no comment ... don't use 'em.
    
    The Harbor Master.
    
525.2VENOM::WATERSThe Legend of the LakesTue Nov 10 1987 15:355
    Did this guy say anything about me?! ;-)
    
    He must have heard of me.
    
    					Legend
525.3FIREBALLS WORK FINESCOMAN::WOOLDRIDGETue Nov 17 1987 15:235
    WAY BACK WHEN WHEN I LIVED IN COLORADO, I USED TO FISH FOR TROUT.
    I FOUND FIREBALLS TO SUIT ME BEST, ALTHO THE SMALL COLORED MARSHMELLOWS
    DO WORK WELL. I USED GOLD HOOKS, BUT NEVER GAVE IT A THOUGHT.
    INTERESTING "POINT".
                                 NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~
525.4Menu: Marshmallows, Corn & HotdogsHEFTY::CUZZONESOccupant, SPO/103-3Thu Nov 19 1987 12:3914
    re:.3  
    
    I take it fireball is an egg!!??  Not a candy!!??
    
    re: marshmallows.  I used 'em once and the color washed off in 3
    minutes, never bothered again.  
    
    Is corn illegal for all species in RI?  I can't imagine a
    carp-fisher-person without a can of niblets.
    
    Gold hooks:  someone must know the facts.  If they were hazardous
    to fish-health, wouldn't they be illegal SOMEwhere ? 
    
    Steve
525.5USE THE STORE BRANDSCOMAN::BACZKOThu Nov 19 1987 12:5016
    About them marshmallows,  you pay about 1 buck for a dozen colored
    marshmallows at the bait shop, which the color will wash off fast,
    or you pay 59 cents for a thousand minatures at the grocery store.
    I have good luck with the grocery store brand every year after 
    trout stocking, when I fish from shore, then when the trout slow
    down my kids eat the rest.   I went to MIKES BAIT SHOP this year
    and he had about 10 bags of the grocery store brand and a couple
    of boxes of baggies.  He'd sell you a handful for 2 bits, what a
    deal,  he probably made ten times what it cost him, and he cleaned
    the local store out so I had to buy from him if I wanted to use
    them.  
      BTW, I use a trout worm and a marshmallow together about 8" off
    the bottom,  this has been a killer for me.
    
    
    LES
525.6ever use cheese?HELIX::COTHRANThu Nov 19 1987 14:0111
    Any one ever use cheese for trout?
    
    I remember, as  kid my dad took my brother and I to lake near Big
    Bear in CA. (we use to live out there).  We used the store mini
    marshmellows, and dad had a block of yellow cheese.  We would rig
    two hooks on our line, one mimi mellow and the other cheese.  My
    dad use to break a hunk off and roll into a ball, then kinda mold
    it around the hook.  As I remember we would catch a lot of trout
    on the cheese.
    
    Bryan  (Mass - greater Hudson/Maynard/Marlboro area)
525.7mush-mallowsCASV02::PRESTONFri Nov 20 1987 13:2910
    I've heard a good combination is marshmallow and red salmon egg
    - haven't tried trout fishing, let alone that rig - just heard it
    worked well.
    
    Question:
    
    Since marshmallows tend to get mushy in the water after a while,
    would it help to let some get stale before using them?
    
    Ed (Chelmsford, MA)
525.8is Don doing a good job or what�HPSCAD::BPUISHYSBob PuishysTue Nov 24 1987 09:059
    Here is a good suggestion that works for me!
    
    When the trout are running high (now and in spring)  and you see
    a lot of rises.  Use one of those smalll marshmallows on a hook
    with a bobber for casting weight.  They float and the trout will
    take them off the surface!!
    
    Bassin' Bob
    
525.9FEISTY::TOMASJoeTue Nov 24 1987 09:145
Yeah, Bob....but Don still can't figure it out!!

He tried casting a marshmallow out onto the ice and couldn't understand why 
the trout wouldn't take it from the surface!

525.10Novice Needs AdviceWLDWST::MARTIN_TToo SmoothWed Jun 19 1991 16:3715
    
     Could you please tell me of the best line setups (leader?). I know of
    
    a bobber and salmon egg. And the use of worms.
    
     I dont know how to fly fish but is it possible just to cast out a fly
    
    and reel it in?
     
     Im going trout fishing in a lake and stream/river. Im pretty much a 
    
    novice.
    
     Tom
    
525.11Fishing for flys ???WFIS22::WHITTEMORE_Jmaid in AmericaThu Jun 20 1991 13:0631
Tom,



    Yes you can fish flies using spinning tackle. To fish from a boat use a
wet fly or streamer of fairly good size attached to approx. 4# mono. Strip
out around 40 to 80 feet of line and troll (flat-lining). A SMALL split shot
can be added for some depth. Tandem-hook streamers (approx. 2-3 in. long) can
be used with lead-core line and 30' of mono. leader for deEP fishing.

    When flat-lining a streamer you can add some flash with a small propeller
and red bead threaded onto your line b-4 you tie on the fly.

    To fish a dry fly with spin-gear you'll need a casting bobber (one that 
can be filled with a variable amount of water). The casting bobber is attached
to the line approx. 3' above the dry fly (3# test max ?!?) and filled with just
enough water to cast well. Again a fairly large fly should be the choice.

    I've had good to great results trolling streamers, tandems, with/without
props.

    I've had very little success with the casting bobber/dry fly but have not
used it often at all as I prefer to use smaller dries on a 'long stick'.

Hope this gives you a place to start ...........

                        Joe Whittemore - From where the Westfield
                                              Meets the Westfield
                                                 By the Westfield
                                                    In Huntington (MA)

525.12time spent=fish gotSALEM::JUNGThu Jun 20 1991 15:5010
    Do forget the ***"Spinner"***. You can cast it, troll it, fish it
    in a river, lake or stream with good to excellent results. Use
    4 lb test and you should be able to cast an 1/8 ounce spinner or even
    1 1/16 ounce spinner quite a ways. Color choice would be white, black,
    yellow...maybe something with a little red in it. Also a good idea
    would be to use a real small snap swivel.
    
    
                                   Jeff (Captain)
                                   Team Starcraft
525.13another one for Trout'inSALEM::JUNGThu Jun 20 1991 16:0210
    Oh yea, and try some of that Berkley Power Bait. In my opinion
    it equals or exceeds that of Mr. Worm for catching trout.
    Just use a small hook wrapped with this clay type substance and
    maybe a couple of small split shots about 6 inches above the hook.
    In a river, try to drift or cast into the deeper pools just below
    the fast moving water. In the lake, fish it just off the bottom
    in about 25 feet of water.
    
                                 Jeff (Captain)
                                 Team Starcraft
525.14Deep WaterWLDWST::MARTIN_TToo SmoothMon Jun 24 1991 10:548
    
     Ill be fishing in 100ft deep water. Doesnt trout kick it close to the
    bottom? Ive used that power bait. It does work.
    
     Do trout eat mealy worms?
    
    Tom
    
525.15Info from So. N.H. area, where are u?SALEM::JUNGMon Jun 24 1991 13:3213
    Tom,
    
         If there are Lake Trout in the lake in question then I would
    think they would be deep. I think a big old crawler topped with a 
    piece of that goo would produce on or near the bottom. 
         Rainbows, Browns, and Brookies would probably be somewhere in
    10-40 ft depth of the lake. But I don't know where you are so it 
    could be different. In the summertime a downrigger would almost be
    a necessary item. Or you could fish the bottom at various depths...
    My first choice would be about 25ft. Good Luck!
    
                                           Jeff (Captain)
                                           Team Starsraft
525.16 California Fishin'WLDWST::MARTIN_TToo SmoothWed Jun 26 1991 21:381