Conference wahoo::fishing

    I THOUGHT THE UK FISHED FOR TROUT ONLY? AND WHAT PRAYTELL IS YATELY
    SURREY. IS THAT A RIVER,POND,RESEVOIR,OR SEWER AQEDUCT? WHERE ABOUT'S
    IN THE UK ARE YOU FROM? I'LL BE OVER THERE IN SEPTEMBER ON A TOUR.
    ENGLAND,IRELAND, AND WALES(RUGBY-MATE)
                                                       CHEERS,
                                                              STEVE

     
    
    Yately,Surrey in a place in the south of Britain. Surrey is one
    of the home Counties and Yately is a complex of 12 lakes various
    in size . From 1.5 Acres to 9 Acres.The record CARP at Yately is
    49 pound only 2 pound off the British Record.
    I'm from Reading  and what part of the US are you from?
    No comment on trout fishing!
    
    

    re:0
    	I used to carp fish the Merrimack River in Haverhill, Mass.
    as a kid. That river has carp so big they'll scare you. Ever see
    a 5-6 foot long carp ? They exist (or did exist) in this river. My
    best ever was 42 1/2" long. I have no idea on the weight. The best
    fighting carp I ever got is permanently etched in my memory. It
    was only 36" long but in took over 250 *yards* of line off my spool
    before I turned it around. I got it all the way back and up to the
    shore and my brother spooked it trying to land it. It then peeled
    off another 150 yards of line before I turned it around again and
    finally landed it. I think someone else had caught this fish before
    as it was missing one of it's lips. 
    	Considering we used 6-8 lb. test on medium to light fresh water
    outfits, I'd say your not going to get anything much bigger without
    breaking a rod/reel/line.
    
    RAYJ

    I have accidently hooked into carp on the Charles river in Franklin
    Mass. The largest was about 18 pounds. I caught them on worms.
    
    If one was to intentionally go out fishing for these fish; what
    type of gear would you use? Rod/reel? Line? Hooks? Bait?
    
    Because of their soft mouths, I was thinking of treble (3) hooks.
    maybe a first class bait casting rod? Bait? do you have any good
    bait ideas? Flour and water? 

    Re 4
    
    Depending on what carp their are LEATHER COMMON,MIRROR,WILD or even HYBRID(mix
    between the common/mirror etc.
    
    The best rod would be one which can with stand alot of punishment,
    something with a strong tip but sensitive to mouthing.Mouthing is
    when the fish picks up the bait and feels it, if they sense danger
    they will just drop it.
    
    Reels present a reel problem if you can get hold of a rear drag
    one your stuck,because the carp are tremendous fighters.It's got
    to be in excellent working order and cleaned often.If you can get
    hold of RYOBI reels your well in but if not SHAKESPEAR or DIAWA
    are the next best thing.
    
    Line should be fine and strong with some give colours don't make
    any difference. I don't know how you measure the stengths but about
    10-15 pound line should be enough BUT it's got to be fine.
    
    Bait is BIG business in the UK because the carp are fast learners
    they'll leave a bait alone if they have been caught on it often.I
    would suggest SWEETCORN,LUNCHEON MEAT,MAGGOTS,AND BOILIES. 
    I'll do some more research on baits for you
                                                              
    Hooks should be single and quite big,British size CARP hooks  2-10
    i don't know what size this is in the US.
                                         
    I've got to go due to work I'll reply again.

    
    I thought AMERICANS were civilised,If you did that here(in the UK)you
    would be fined $500 for every fish killed.but if you've got an over
    population problem some kind of kulling should be under taken but
    not that cruely as bow and arrow.Maybe netting and the fish transfered
    to anotherlake.But still we still do fox hunting with horse and
    a pack of houndsand even badger hunting when they are a protected
    animal.
    

    
    Carp fishing is pretty popular here on the Connecticut river.  On
    a typical afternoon I will pass a half dozen carpers along the shore
    in any of my 3 favorite shore fishing sites.  The carpers stand
    out from us bassers as they are the guys not holding their rods;
    most use a Y shaped stick stuck in the dirt to hold the rod (one
    draws the conclusion that carp fishing is rather slow).  I have
    talked to several and the favorite baits are cut corn straight from
    the can, cooked carrots and doughballs that smelled strongly of
    anise when they were shown to me.  I have yet to see a carp landed
    although I routinely see them cruising the shallows.  They are
    relatively unpreturbable; I have reeled spinnerbaits right under
    their noses without so much as a sign of acknowledgement.  I have
    also heard they make quite the commotion while spawning but this
    is second-hand, I haven't witnessed the ritual.  I understand they
    have orgies in shallow water ;-).
    
    I have read about carp tourneys of the bow and arrow type in NY state 
    where to have a prayer of winning, you better beat 40 #.  I have
    seen a couple dead carp along the banks that probably exceeded 30.
    
    Interesting topic.  Anybody out there eaten carp?  
    
    Steve

    	Maybe Beach Bagel can shed some light on this but I know that
    Jewish people have something called gifilderfish (sp ?) that is
    made from carp. I've seen it in supermarkets but I'm not sure what
    else is in it (if anything) beside carp.
    
    RAYJ

    Some bowhunting friends of mine used to bowfish for carp at the
    Oxbow section of the Connecticut river in Northampton . Don't
    know what they did with the fish tho'. I went for suckers a few
    times, used them for garden fertilizer.

    RE:-.1
    
    I think Gefilte (sp?) fish is whitefish not carp.
    
    Steve

    
    I used to fish for german carp in Spy pond and little spy pond
    (arlington and Belmont) when i was a kid.  
    The best bait was a mixture of - ready for this-
    
    peanut butter, honey, cotton balls (to hold it together), corn meal,
    oatmeal, oil, and anything about to rot in the kitchen, 
    mash it all up good, if you can, let it sit overnight, not
    refrigerated, (boy, my mom sure loved this!)
    
    Using 20# line go and throw out a few lines, sit and wait, night
    seemed to be the best.
    
    Erik

    Re .9 + .11(?)
    
    Ahhhhhhhhh  fishing for GEFILTES, one of my favorite sports!
    
    First, Steve wins the prize on spelling.
    
    But both Steve and Rayj  are right about the contents of gefilte
    fish. USUALLY, store bought gefiltefish (Maneshewitz, Mothers, Rokeach,
    etc.) is made of a combination of whitefish and pike, perhaps some
    other freshwater fish.  However, any Jewish Mother worth her (kosher)
    salt would use fresh carp as a base. (As a kid I used to love to
    watch the LIVE carp being delivered to the local fish store!)
    
    Mmmmmmmmmm    who's got the horseradish?
    

    see note 356.10

Here's another good recipe for carp...

1  - Carp; 4-5lbs, skinned, remove head, fins and tail
1/2 tsp. garlic
1/2 tsp. salt
2 tbls. butter
1 tbls. crushed parsley leaves
1/2 onion

Place carp in a broiling pan.  Baste both sides with butter, then sprinkle 
with garlic, salt and parsley.  Slice onion and place slices on top side.
Preheat oven to 500 degrees.  Broil carp for 2 hours.

Then...while carp is cooking...










take the family out to Papa Gino's for a pan pizza!

When you return, remove the ashes from the oven and sprinkle generously over 
the garden.

    
    
    HOW ABOUT GETTING BACK TO THE SPORT OF FISHING FOR CARP!!!!!!!!!
    
    ANYBODY GOT ANY SUGGESTIONS ON BAITS? NOT CARP COOKED ALA GINO BUT
    THATS CLEVER "Joe" 
    

    
    
    
    		Try vanilla extract and Wheaties in golf ball size balls
    on the hook...                     
    
    
    				Works For Me!!!
    
    
    					Jim

>   Yately,Surrey in a place in the south of Britain. Surrey is one
    of the home Counties and Yately is a complex of 12 lakes various
    in size . From 1.5 Acres to 9 Acres.The record CARP at Yately is
    49 pound only 2 pound off the British Record.
    I'm from Reading  and what part of the US are you from?
    No comment on trout fishing!
    
    
.........sorry to *butt* in,but i feel a correction is in order here.
the British record was caught by Ian McDonald at 45lbs season 85/86
although apparently a 51lb monster was pulled out just the season before.

                      .....nigel.

    Sorry mate Mr Macdonald caught the carp at 45.12 or was it 44.12
    but anyway the 49 was caught in the same season as the above but
    was not confirmed at that weight.Still it was landed but the records
    wouldn't except it.So there is a monster carp at Yately!!!
   
     tight lines
    

    My dad lives in the Ozark mountains of Missouri and does in fact
    catch and EAT carp.  The catching is done mostly on trot lines using
    worms.  I have found one of the the best times to catch carp is
    immediately following a good thunderstorm when the stream has been
    churned up and is running fast and muddy.  We have used bread balls
    at this time with a lot of success.
    
    Dad usually grinds up the carp into hamburgers and fries them in
    a beer batter.  Excellent eating, and he also pickles carp chunks.
    I was just down there on vacation and he gave me a jar and directions
    on how to pickle.  I'm don't know about pickling the carp in this
    area but I am going to try it with bass.  If anyone would like to
    try pickled fish send me mail at mjovax::owens and I'll send the
    directions.

    
    I used to fish for carp in long island N.Y. what i used to do was
    chum on the top with either whole pieces of bread"wonder bread because
    it stays together better" or just pieces of the center. this would
    usually bring them in. keep your eye on the bread because it usually
    disappears without you seeing it. i would use a treble hook.[ use
    good quality hooks cause if you don't they will staighten them out]
    put a 1-2 inch end of the bread [edges] on 2 parts of the treble
    with a bobber about 1-1 1/2 ft from it.place pole in a sand spike
    and open your bail then wait for your bobber to disappear. then
    set the hook but not to hard for it will rip his fat lips off.
     sometimes i would use two treble hooks about a foot apart and if
    one hook got out the other would keep him on. 
      do the same above for fishing the bottom. small weight 2 trebles.
    either use the end of the bread [edges] or the white part depending
    on how you will fish the bottom. the edges will float off the bottom
    and the white part will stay on the bottom. moisten the white part
    and roll it in a ball and chuck it out to were you last seen the
    swell and wait. remember you should have something holding your
    pole up and also keep that bail open if you walk away or are at
    more than ten ft away. i have seen many a poles fly into the water.
      you should check the laws on using trebles hooks for bait fishing
    for it might be illegal in this state.
    
    good luck and let me know what happens, i would like to get back
    into it someday.
    
    mark    fxadm::messier

    
    Just one thing why use treble hooks? In the UK we use single hooks
    of good quality, the size depends on how shy the carp are.
    

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       Carp on the Nashua/Merrimack point.  If you are a city bum who
    loves to fish for carp...then try this place.  My boyfriend and
    I go down after work and use oatmeal bait.  We catch carp along
    both rivers, especially near the Temple st. foot bridge.  I don't
    recommend eating your catch.  We usually throw them back in for
    future catching.  You can catch other fish there as well.
    
    Lynne