Conference wahoo::fishing

    	I use it all the time on my worms. I use Fish Formula (I think)
    in the "original scent". Since then the same company puts out a
    variety  of scents. I started using it because a friend gave it to me. 
    He had tried it on a plastic rebel and the rebel bowed (warped) on
    him.  He wasn't sure if it was the Fish Formula or the sun but he
    wasn't going to ruin any more lures to find out.
    	As far as it making a difference, it's hard to say. I believe
    it does. If my friend uses it and I don't, he tends to catch more
    fish than me. That can be caused by a lot of things though. 
    	I remember reading an article (don't remember the magazine)
    about fish scents. They sent fish up a single man made channel that
    came to a fork. By putting different scents in the different forks
    and noting which fork the fish took, they came to the conclusion
    that certain scents "appeared" to attract fish and other scents
    definetely repelled them. One of the scents that repelled fish was
    human scent (skin oils). One of the scents that appeared to attract
    them was human saliva (hence proving truth in what some regard a
    myth).
    	The biggest thing about the scents seems to be the ability to
    mask your scent with something that the fish appears to like. If
    used to do that, probably any of the ones on the market will work. 

    RAYJ
    
    P.S. I can see it now, "Hey Joe, pass me the saliva scent, will
    ya !". 

Be advised that once you catch a fish on a bait that had fish scent
    on it you'll never know if it helped or not but you can't take the
    chance that it didn't help. personally I don't really know if they
    work but i believe that human scent will definitely scare away fish
    that would normally take the bait. this is reason enough for me
    to use the stuff.

    	I really don't know if it works or not.  I sometimes use it
    and don't at others.  I do know that different people's body scents
    (or the soap they use or ?????) does make a difference.  A case
    in point:
    	I used to fish with my Uncle on the Blue River in the high country
    of Colorado for trout.  We could both fish the same stretch of water
    using the same flies and drifting them the same.  I could catch
    more fish than he could.  If I tied on the leader and flies for
    him, he could out-fish me on the same stretch of river.  If we swapped
    rods, he could out-fish me for about 20 minutes until the scent
    washed off the equipment.  Then we would both catch about the same
    amount of fish.  If he touched the fly, he would again catch less
    fish.   Since he taught me how to fish, he should have been able
    to catch more fish than I could.  I used to wonder why he would
    always let me tie on his leader and flies.  I think I understand
    why now.

    
    I'M A believer in fish scents.last year i fished all year with fish
    formular 2 and caught more bass than i had in the last four years
    put together.now it could of been that i found some better ponds
    to fish in,but it really does't matter cause i'll still use it this
    year.there was one thing i did notice was that towards the end of
    the year i wasn't catching as many bass until i switched to fish
    formular crawdad scent and i started hitting more fish than i did
    with fish formular 2.so this year i will use both on and off to
    see which one is better throughout the year.
      over the winter i read some articles on certain fish scents and
    some sounded very interesting.there is a product by mann's called
    fs454.it comes in a tube and it also is made in the mann's worms
    <fs454 mann's worms>.this product has been around for abought 2
    years and i have heard some good things about it.I will try it out
    this and see how it works.
      There is also a new product call DR. ELIXER. this product is
    supposibly made from sex enzyms and other fish ingredients,don't
    remember what though.the articles said that this stuff should work
    good so i'll probably try this stuff out also.
    
    
      GOOD LUCK WITH WHATEVER YOU USE.
                                                CREATOR OF "TOBACC"

    
    I FORGOT to say something in rep 4.
    if i plan to go fishing the following morning i don't wash the night
    before or the morning of fishing.i think this helps but boy will
    i smell after a day of fishing.

    More about FS454...
    
    My understanding of this stuff is that it IS NOT a fish attractant
    like Fish Formula, Berkley Strike, etc., but it is designed such
    that once a bass has a bait (typically a worm) in its mouth, the
    FS454 formula stimulates the bass into believing that the bait is 
    real and not artificial.  This means that a bass will keep the bait 
    in its mouth slightly longer before spitting it out, thereby giving
    the angler more time to set the hook.  I would suggest using whatever
    scent you use on top of the FS454.
    
    -Joe- (who_wants_to_be_UPWIND_of_Mr._Messier_at_all_times!)
    

    Well, thanks for all the replys.  I bought a bottle of Berkly Bass
    Scent and will give it a try.  I sure couldn't do any worse than
    I did last year.
    
    						Dan

    After all the advise on fish formula you bought Berkley strike!!!
     
    
    Trust me I did a side by side comparison with thesame worms on the
    same structure at the same time.  Fish Formula is better.
    
    FS454 is great on worms.  It now comes in a aerasol can.
    
    Bassin Bob'
    

    Re .8  --I didn't see anyone comment that one type was better than
    another until too late.  I thought fish formula was generic for
    any scent.  Maybe I'll try FS454--I have seen that one, or Fish
    Formula, which I haven't seen.
    
    					Thanks,
    					Dan

    Bobs right, Fish Formula is the better of the two. Dr. Juice is
    another one that is worth a try...very concentrated stuff, just
    a drop is all you need. I think that it works as good as F.F.
    
    I just got Wiskers Kit on a promo from Bass Pro. Don't know if it
    works as well, not as well or not at all, or even better than the
    others, but I will find out this year and let you all know. Maybe
    someone else has already tryed this stuff????? I got five bottles
    of different scents and a few worm weights with a cloth rap on them.
    This where you are suppose to put a drop on. The idea is that it
    will last longer. They have an entire sytem of baits that have this
    little patch of cloth (looks like velcro, but it isn't) on them
    for the purpose of holding the scent. We'll see........
    
    Tight lines, Ranger Ron

    Strike is also a pain to put on.  I bought a bottle last year that
    ended up going bad (What a STENCH!) becuase I didn't use it all.  You
    have to squeeze it onto everything.  They sell lettle foam pellets
    that are supposed to hold the scent well, but I never used them
    either.  Fish Formula and others in the spray bottles, are much
    easier to use (although you do tend to waste more). 
    
    Don Mac

    Fish Scent, you guys have to be kiddin!!
    
    I really don't want to start any long winded arguments but it seems
    to me that you guys will do almost anything to catch fish.  What
    ever happen to fishing without depth finders, fish scents, and fish
    eggs!!  
    
    If catching fish is your only objective well then fine, but for me
    I recieve as much enjoyment from the sun, the hunt, and the outdoors.
    
    Last but not least if your goal is to catch as much fish as possible
    then at least practice CATCH and RELEASE!
    
    			
    					Bart Lasky

    
    Bart, Bart, Bart,  Read more of this file. We strongly advocate
    catch and release. re: all the toys, give us a break! What else
    is there to spend money on?
    
    Garry (the guy who swore he woudn't buy another reel this year)
    
    Oh yeh, game fish II makes graet after shave lotion!!
    
     

    
    
RE: .12......Bartsky......These are Bassassassins...remember. The idea
    is to hook em and drag em in as fast as possible..hopefully fast
    enuf to win "bucks"...the faster they are dragged, the "better"
    the "fisherman"...darn good thing bass are so easy to catch!!!!!
    
                          Cheers
    
                  "Ed, who's wearing NOMEX today!"    
    

    Bart,
    	I just had to put a word in here to defend  the use of all the 
    "things" we use to catch those bass.
                                        
    1] Unlike yourself, I'm not out there for fresh air and sunshine
    (if I want that, I can stay in my back yard watching the lawn grow)
    I'm out to catch fish (usually bass).
    
    2] The use of the tools only enhances the catch experience not
    necessarly the numbers of fish caught. The "numbers" we catch  depends 
    mostly on how we apply the expertise and confidence when using these 
    "things". We have no guarantee of success.
    
    3] I view these tools and techniques as a smorgsabord, to be picked
    over and used as I feel like. If I have confidence in them and
    they work for me than  I use them. If not I don't scoff at others
    who choose to, or not to use them for the same reason. At any rate,
    it certainly is fun to listen to the experiences and to see what
    conclusions people draw from them and how inventive they are in their
    uses.                                                                
    
    4] The best part of fishing is that even though we're doing the same
    thing it can be done differently and the experience and the results
    are always a suprise! (Heck, afterall fish are really stupid and
    will hit just about anything you wish to throw at them!!!)
                                               
    
    	I hope this has shed some light on the whole subject and you
    can go away with a better feeling of us fellow "fisherpersons" than
    you started with according to your comments.
                  
    
                                     Remember "always catch and release"
    
    
    
    						Jim

    Yea!  You tell `em Jim		                          
                                                                   
    Don Mac	Don't the fly's legs fall off when ya tie that little
    		hook on?????					8^)

    Fish Scents..
    
    I'm not sure if they catch fish or not but one thing I am sure of is
    that they catch fishermen....
    
    But maybe that's all the product was designed to catch.
    
    Are you sure you guys don't have a mark out side your house
    someplace???
    
    Maybe on the fence, or the door.  Do you seem to have a lot of sales
    men coming to your door???
    
    IT is just another way of packaging snake oil.
    
    Bear,

    Hey, you guys, I heard Mr. Doug "professor" at the Worcester Show
    say that those formulas and concoctions have never worked for him.
    
    He even said he did a test with some of the concoctions, fishing
    a "loaded bait" and an "unloaded bait" and he found NO DIFFERENCE.
    So he doesn't use any of that stuff! So you all are just wasting
    your money.
    
    
    I used Strike last year and I didn't see any difference myself.
    
    
    
    
    I'm switching to Fish Formula.  
    
    Cris (hear that Joe?)  8-)

    
    
    re: .15
    
    Have to agree.  If it "enhances" the sport and catches more fish,
    do it!!  In fact why stop at scents, sonar, and 150hp rigs.  Seining
    would catch even more fish, and if that fails (shy little buggers
    hiding behind logs and what not) stun grenades will bring 'em out.
    			
    What Sport !!        _  _
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    Ole Coonass offered the following idea some time ago...
    
    
    			*** USE DY-NO-MITE ! ***
    
    
    P.S.  He practices "BLAST 'n RELEASE"
    

    	I wonder if the first spinning outfit got the same type of
    response. I could just imagine a conversation of old going something
    like,
    
    			(Some time in the past.....)
    
    	Yep Jed, this guy next ta me had one o' them thar new fangled
    spinning outfits. What a waste o' money. I outfished em 3 ta 1 with
    my ol' cane pole.

    			(The present.....)
    
    	Ya Joe, ya shoulda seen the look on this guys face when I held
    up my stringer. Here I am in my canoe and this guys got a $20,000+
    Ranger with the works and he didn't catch anything.

    RAYJ

    
    I had to put my two cents in here because I feel strongly about
    this......
    
    re.15 and .19
    
    Hey, use what you like. The REAL important thing about this
    whole business is the feeling you get being out on the water
    or next to a stream shore and what happens to you when that
    line starts moving around under the water.........
    That's what it's all about --isn't it?
    To each his own.......
    But if I ever catch you messing up the place......
    There will be HELL to pay.
    
    Use what works for you and have fun,
    Mike