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Title:Fishing Notes- Archived
Notice:See note 555.1 for a keyword directory of this conference
Moderator:DONMAC::MACINTYRE
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Sep 20 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1660
Total number of notes:20970

188.0. "Flyfishing in Saltwater" by NYALYF::HORWITZ () Mon Sep 22 1986 17:14

    I hope ther is someone in the conference that can help me.
    I am interested in taking up Fly casting in Saltwater (surf/bay/river).
    Can anyone recommend an outfit (rod, reel, line...) so far, I think
    I want a rod about 8 1/2 to 9 feet long, for a #8 (??) line.
    
    My main targets will be stripers, blues, weakfish, and fluke. (I
    know the latter will require some type of sinking line.)
    Also, any recommended fly patternswould be appreciated. 
    
    Oh yeah, almost forgot....
    I've never used a fly rod before. Any suggestions re: books for
    beginners?
    
    THANKS
    Rich {beach bagel} maybe_someone_should_talk_me_out_of_this
    
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188.1AIMHI::TOMASJoeMon Sep 22 1986 17:4314
    Although I have flyfished before, I'm certainly not a "purist".
    I have done saltwater before with a 9' flyrod and weight-forward
    #9 floating line with an 8' leader.  The rod is an older glass rod
    and was designed for bass/salmon fishing.
    
    Just about any of the larger flyrod poppers should work for stripers
    and blues.  My most effective popper for stripers was a flourescent
    pink popper with long pink trailing feathers (I dunno what it's
    supposed to look like, but they used to really love it!).  My only 
    concern is what a blue would do to the monofil leader.  I don't know 
    if you can tie a stainless leader on and still cast effectively.
    Maybe someone else can help.
          
    -Joe-
188.2AIMHI::TOMASJoeMon Sep 22 1986 17:444
    BTW...I forgot to mention.  You'll want a larger salt-water reel
    with PLENTY of backing on it for those L O N G runs!
    
    -Joe-
188.3GAYNES::BPUISHYSBob PuishysTue Sep 23 1986 10:2722
    For a reel I use a pluagher 1505 ??  with braided nylon line backing,
     about 35lb is small but strong.  You can put lots of it on the
    reel, you will need it.  I use a 9foot custom built rod 8,9 or
    10 line.  I use a 12 lb test mono leader with a 2 foot 40 lb test shock
    tip. For blues the only fish I have done this with I use plan bucktail
    hooks.  The kind you would buy to replace ones on a plug.  White
    bucktail with red thread.  They work great.
    
    We fish school blues out in the bay.  When we find fish we cast
    a atom popper with no hooks.  The fish will follow it all the way
    to the boat.  Hitting it and some times not letting go.  Any time
    you hook a blue 3 or 4 will follow it in. The other guy cast the
    fly rod and WAMM the fight is on.  
    
    Some times we hook two at the same time and they ran in different
    directions.  Thanks why I use 12 or lighter leader.  I would rather
    loose the fish and leader then a good fly line or even a rod.  That
    35 lbs noylon does not break too easyly.
    
    Good luck
    Bassin' bob
    
188.4PVAX::DEINNOCENTISTue Sep 23 1986 13:0645
   Rich,                      

   I'm not sure what kind of money you are intending or willing to invest.

   first reels:   Salt water reels can go for big bucks.   2 - 400.  A
   1495 1/2 Pflueger will go 30.00.  Sci-anglers system II < 90.00.  A
   Valentine < 90 or a Valentine multiplier < 120.00.  Valentines are from a
   local Mfg. and like the new SciAnglers II will stand up to salt water
   abuse more than the Pflueger.   Both have a drag mechanism that will stop
   a freight train.  I believe Martin just came out with a servicable
   saltwater reel for < 50.00.  I'll check if you are interested. 
   
   Lines:  go with a saltwater taper (also called bass bug taper) in size
   8 or 9.  Greater than size 9 is not for distance but for strength.
   Too much wind resistance.  It's a compromise and depends a bit or
   your choice of rod.  Start with a floater and advance to sink tips,
   intermediates (sloooow sink) and sinking lines.
   
   Rods:  9' is right on target.  Graphite is the only way to go.  Today a
   good glass rod is as expensive as a graphite rod.  However, money will
   dictate your choice and there are several.  Big names are Sage, Orvis,
   Powell, Scott, Loomis, etc..  Be aware that some companies that make very
   reputable bass rods don't know shinola about fly rod tapers.  Lamiglass
   makes a good inexpensive rod.  A 2 or 4 inch fighting butt comes in handy
   on a saltwater rod.  Some are removable. 
   
   Flies:  Poppers, lefty's deceivers in 3/0 and large streamers on stainless
   or nickel hooks.  Big shrimp patterns can work too.
   
   Some catalogs offer outfits; eg. Hook&Hackle 9 weight for bass steelhead,
   salmon and light satwater.  Detachable fighting butt 9' Lamiglass
   graphite, Pfleuger 1498 Medalist reel and Sci-Anglers wf-9-f air cell
   supreme line. Some backing, some flies, some practice and for a modest
   investment of $111.25 you are off and fishing.  This is not junk.
                                                 
   References:  past editions of rod&reel and flyfisherman contain articles
   on saltwater rodding.  The local library is the place to start.  Concord
   library in Ma. has a good collection.  The "Orvis guide to flyfishing"
   is one of the better books to start with.  It is up-to-date and very
   informative on casting, equipment, technique, knots and so on.
                                           
   I tried to stick to the question and be objective, hope this helps,
   You may want to solicit the flyfishing notes for more information,
    Tight lines,
    John