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Title:Fishing Notes- Archived
Notice:See note 555.1 for a keyword directory of this conference
Moderator:DONMAC::MACINTYRE
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Sep 20 1991
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1660
Total number of notes:20970

179.0. "Hooks and releasing fish " by GRAMPS::LASKY () Thu Sep 11 1986 17:21

    This year I decided that I was going to take up flyfishing and do
    nothing but flyfish.  Well last night I went fishing for bass and
    used my spinning rod.
    
    There's one thing that became apparent rather quickly it's the thing
    I dislike most about using lures, those damn treble hooks!!!  I
    was wondering if anybody out there has ever:
    
    1 - cut off two of the hooks and only left one
    
    2 - found lures that only carry one hook
    
    3 - debarb any hooks either single or treble
    
    I try my hardest to release the fish as unharmed as I possibly can
    but the treble hooks make it almost impossible.  All comments will
    be appreciated.
    
    
    				Thanks,
    
    				Bart Lasky
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179.1A cutting reply.TPLVAX::DODIERFri Sep 12 1986 08:2831
    	I guess theres nothing stopping you from cutting one or two
    hooks from each treble. A fishing buddie of mine has been cutting
    one of the 3 hooks from each treble for a while. I bought some of
    his lures and have caught fish with them. Its hard to tell if I
    really miss any more fish due to the lack of a hook.
    	There is one thing you should know however that I have noticed
    about cutting a hook from a treble. Some lures action may be
    drastically changed by removing a hook or two. When/if you do cut
    hooks from a lure, hold the lure so the hooks hang down freely.
    By looking at the trebles, it should be obvious which hook/hooks
    to cut without affecting the action of the lure to drastically.
    See below for a rough drawing.
    
    				top view of lure
    
    				    -----
    				   (     )
    				   |  |  |<--------
    				   | / \ |
    			      	   |     |         cutting these two
                                   |     |         hooks should not
                                   | \ / |         affect lure action.
                                   |  |  |<--------
                        	    \   /
                                     \ /
                                      -
                              
    	I just realized how hard it is to draw something in here. Oh
    well, I guess its good enough. Hope this helps.
    
    	>>>>>--------------> RAYJ_who_hopes_to_have_venison_this_weekend.
179.2BIGALO::BOTTOM_DAVIDFri Sep 12 1986 09:157
    Hey Bart try taking a pair or pliers and flattening the hook barb
    and then filing it down with a file or hook sharpener....Ed and
    I fished barbless several times this year and as long as you don't
    give the fish much slack you won't lose any more than you normally
    would.
        
    dave
179.3use trailer hooksBOVES::WHITMANboves::whitman MRO1 297-4898Fri Sep 12 1986 09:2512
	I believe that in some states (Oregon for one I think) the use of
treble hooks is prohibited.  In any event you could replace the treble with
a 'trailer' hook which has a large eyelet.  The trailers are available in
any tackle shop that has a reasonable assortment of spinner baits ( you can
order them from BASS PRO SHOPS as well).  You can also get 'barbless' hooks
from many flyfishing supply houses.  I personally have found that bending
back the barbs drastically reduces the strength of my hook.

	Good luck and keep us informed as to what success you have with it.

				Al Whitman

179.4Hooked on Eagle Claw25634::NELSONFri Sep 12 1986 10:2932
    I've removed the barbs before when fishing for panfish to ease in the
removal of the hook from a bluegill's or perch's throat.  For a larger
and livelier fish, one has to take care in keeping the line tight as 
previously said.

In salmon areas (large Pacific types), many lures come with a treble hook
and a replacement larger single hook.  Treble hooks obviously give you
three times as many points to hook with, but for a large Chinook you need
a large strong hook that can span the thick jawbone of such a fish. 

For a spoon type lure of the appropriate size for the fish being caught, 
one could replace the treble hook with a larger single hook.  Again, the
single hook should be of proportional size for the type of mouth for the
fish being caught.  Lure action shouldn't be affected much if any.  For
somthing like a small Hula-popper with a single tail treble, I would clip
either the downward facing hook (not barb) or replace with an upward hooking
double-hook.  This would help also in making the popper weedless or snagless.

To let you in on a little secret to using the spoons with a single hook,
you should offset the barb end of the hook relative to the shank.  This
increases the hooking potential dramatically and prevents a straight hook
from possibly slipping sideways out the mouth.

                                    o
                                    |
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     Looking along centerline       | / <---bent with needle nose
         of hook------>             |/
                                    /
                       
Steve

179.5A couple of single hook luresSPMFG1::CUZZONES28 flavors...no vanillaFri Sep 12 1986 14:4214
    Two single hook lures come to mind...one is the Johnson Silver Minnow.
    I have several in the weedless model with one hook and haven't had
    any problem hooking up, usually fish them with a pork or plastic
    dressing.  Another is the Swedish Pimple which comes with treble
    and a single replacement hook.  I haven't tried it with the single,
    though.  I think buying barbless is the best way to go if you're
    having problems.  I don't seem to have much problem removing trebles
    without damage, but admit it is more difficult to remove one.  I
    think an overlooked advantage of single hooks would be the reduced
    potential of hooking yourself while boating a lively fish with a
    mouthful of treble hooks which I will admit to having done more
    than once.
    
    Steve
179.6Backsliding ???????BIGALO::BLUM_EDFri Sep 12 1986 15:2146
    
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179.72x3=6x1?44043::TRAVERSSun Sep 14 1986 06:0025
    
    Cupla pints,..
    		  Singul vs Trebul....yin hing here that is wurth
    menshinnin is that altho a trebul gie's ye three times mair
    chance o hookin ,..oan the asumpshin that the trebul is engulffed
    in the fishes mooth..it taks three times the effurt tae 'set'
    thame!.
    
    	Trebuls in genral...there wis menshin o 'big mooth' relativly
    'sized' trebuls earlier,...weel i dinnae oaffen hink this is the case 
    irrespective o baney mooth's or no!,..i hink sum anglers as weel
    as lure-makers,.. in genral, mak hard wurk fur thamesels tendin tae
    use owerlarge hooks in their armoury!,.minny times a hiv saw lures
    an the liks wi trebuls attachit that cood anchor a blidy ship!,nevir
    mind takkin a 'telegraff poal' tae 'set' thame!. Whit Steve menshinned
    above aboot 'offsettin' is very applicabull,..there are trebul hooks
    manufachured ower here cawed 'Outpoints' an they ar by faur the
    best hookers a've came acroass!. Eech yeer ower here, there ar minny
    20+pun Atlantic Samin netted oan #12 an wee'er trebuls an as a dinnae
    lik drawin fish acroass the water lik a 'skippin stane' a'll continye
    tae use the wee'er irons an mak ma lures 'tae suit' thame!.
    
    	           intrestit in yer views tae this!
    
    		   cheery the noo!......Trapper 
179.8Hope This is HelpfulCANDY::MERCURIOTue Sep 16 1986 12:3812
    			Singe Hook Info
    I do alot of bass fishing and find in weedy situations there are
    a few lures worth mentioning. These all have single or weedless
    hooks: a buzz bait or spinner bait with out a stinger or trailer
    hook, a "Dirty Bird", a "Snagless Sally", of course already mentioned
    a "Johnson Silver Spoon", a "jig n' pig", and last but not least,
    the "Texas rigged worm....
    
    					Good fishing
    
    						Jim