Conference wahoo::fishing

    Ron,
    
    I just spoke w/Bob about our NH tourney.  I like your ground rules
    and I see no reason why we can't use them as well.
    
    Couple of questions....
    
    Bob indicated that payoffs were as a team (2 per boat)...what about
    the lone participant??
    
    What did you envision as a payoff structure...for total weight and
    largest bass?  I thought about a a 70/30 split where 70% of the
    pot went to the single person with the heaviest stringer (limited
    to 5 fish) and 30% to the person with the largest bass...one person
    able to win both.  Bob mentioned something about payoffs for the
    top 5 boats...I don't think the "pot" will really be big enough
    to support that.
    
    -Joe-

    Joe,
    
    I wrote a 44 line reply to you and the system exited, and it's lost.
    I will re-write it tomorrow, so don't feel that I'm not paying
    attention.
    
    Later, tight lines, Ron

As of today the entries are as follows.

Ron Scholz 	- Boater 		partner  Garry Wiersum  :^)  OK???
Lou Hohs   	- non-boater	
Steve Cuzzone   - Boater		partner  George Aikey 
Richard Dickey	- non-boater
Denny Shanahan  - Canoe??		partner  Joe Visnoski 
Diana Weisbach  - Boater		partner  Paul Weisbach 
Ed Gianetto	- Boater		partner  Guest 
Bob Puishys	- Non-boater		partner  Ken Bedard     boater quest
Russ Doty	- canoe			partner  guest 
Tony Jorden	- canoe			partner  Walter Kallunki 
Al Whitman	- small 2horse		partner  Linda Whitman
George Papison  - canoe??		partner  Dean McMillian
Don Mac		- boater		partner  Bill Kirby
Jeff Strait	- non-boater
Dave Landry	- boater		
Mike Loewe      - boater		partner  Dana Belletete
Al Noyes	- boater		partner	 John Accia


This is the list as of today.   We still needs some boats so we can match up
some non-boaters with boats.  If we have to we can make this a non-team
open.  This would be ever man or woman for themselves.  This will make for
bigger prizes and maybe some better  competition. Add some response if you
would like a team open or an individual tournament.


The site is lake Manchuag, in Sutton mass.  On Sept 14, 1986 (Sunday)
Start time will be 7:00 am  and run until 3:30.  There will be a
MANDATORY weight-in at 12:00.  This will help on the Clunn issue, and will
allow for a bigger total weights.
Launching from the STATE RAMP  only!!!!  Entry fee is $5.00/per person
	there will be an OPTIONAL 3.00 lunker pool for biggest fish.

Payback would be 50%-1st, 40%-2nd, 30%-3rd, 20%,4th, 10%-5th.  
lunker Biggest fish takes the lunker pool.

Rules:

see Note 154.0

additions to the rules.


No LIVE BAIT or PREPARED BAITS ie smelts or frogs..  PORK IS ALLOWED ie
pork rims or pork worms or strips.

NO TROLLING
NO MORE THAN ONE ROD AT A TIME/person

- if boat A is anchored and boat A has trolling motor up, and he notifies
to boat B that he is anchored boat be must give a 50 foot distance when
passing or approaching boat B.

-  No one is allowed to leave there boats during the Tournament to go up on
shore or into the water after a fish.  

- You may leave the water if it is witnessed by another boat.

- Clunning is allowed in Mass

- no boat is allowed to get within reaching distance of each other and
passing objects between boats is disallowed.  (bring your own beer)

-  Most of all have a SAFE FUN DAY!!!!!!   :^)
Bassin' Bob
    

    Bob,
    
    The "paybacks" sound GREAT...just one thing...the percentages add
    up to MORE than 100%...or am I missing something?
    
    I'm not sure I understand the logic behind the noontime checkin.
    "Clunning"???  Is that the same as "culling"??  i.e. replacing a
    small fish with a larger fish?
    
    Joe
    

    Joe--  
    
    
    It sure is !!!!!  so thats how you spell it.  :^)
    
    As for the percentages I better check.  I just cut them out of a
    mail message from our NH oragnizer's mail message he sent me.  Never
    even look to see what they were.  I better check.
    
    Bob  
    
    I feel so embarrassed   :^(
    

    New  pay off figures..  Thanks Joe.  It would have been hard to
    come up with 150%   :^)
    
    40%-1st   30%-2nd   15%-3rd  10%-4th  5%-5th
    
    Much better!!!!!
    
    Bassin' Bob
    

    You  should be.....................:^)
    
    The percents should read around 50%, 30%, 10%, 5%, and 5% for fifth.
    Try it, you'll like it.....
    
    Tight lines, Ron

    try it you'll like it......
   
    
    
    Thought I was going to die!!!!!
    

    I'm sure that now that the lake is selected most if not all, of
    you are going to get there to "practice" a bit, if you haven't already
    done it (I was there Sat. and noticed some "others" :^)
    
    I have a suggestion, and if you agree, to make this more fun. It
    would be very easy for some (of us) to go over to the lake on Sat.
    before the tournament and get in some practice hoping the conditions
    won't change by Sun (not that they won't in this area). This would
    be a little unfair to the rest who can't do this. So, here is the
    suggestion. Put the lake off-limits for two days (Fri & Sat) before
    the tournament. That way no one should have an avantage, and the
    out of state/area guys would have just the same problem as the
    locals in finding the pattterns. Sound good???? (the pros do it)
    
    Tight lines, Ron

As of today the entries are as follows.

Ron Scholz 	- Boater 		partner  Garry Wiersum  :^)  OK???
Lou Hohs   	- non-boater	
Steve Cuzzone   - Boater		partner  George Aikey 
Richard Dickey	- non-boater
Denny Shanahan  - Canoe??		partner  Joe Visnoski 
Diana Weisbach  - Boater		partner  Paul Weisbach 
Ed Gianetto	- Boater		partner  Guest 
Bob Puishys	- Non-boater		partner  Ken Bedard     boater quest
Russ Doty	- canoe			partner  guest 
Tony Jorden	- canoe			partner  Walter Kallunki 
Al Whitman	- small 2horse		partner  Linda Whitman
George Papison  - canoe??		partner  Dean McMillian
Don Mac		- boater		partner  Bill Kirby
Jeff Strait	- non-boater
Dave Landry	- boater		partner  Bill Mclroy
Mike Loewe      - boater		partner  Dana Belletete
Al Noyes	- boater		partner	 John Accia
Steve Bergeron	- boater 		partner  Greg Mojzak
Dick Tucker	- non-boater		partner  Larry Cappellucci boater guest



    This is the list as of today folks.  We still have 3 non-boaters
    without partners.  So if you people know of anyone who has a boat
    and wants to fish or even if they don't want to fish lets get them
    involved.  We don't want to leave anyone on shore!!! so lets get
    going.
    
    
    As for the RULES:  lets make it official.  The lake is
    
    			OFF LIMITS TO ALL ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY before
    the great event.  
    
    	Also It will remain a team open.  Since each man can keep 5
    fish, so with as limit of ten fish perboat  CULLING (SP?) should
    not be a problem.
    
    
    -   It is required that some for of live well be used.  Ie a coller
    in the smaller boats with the water changed often will be ok.  This
    is a catch and release tournament.
    We will not penalize for dead fish, unless Its a live fish being
    brought home.  You have to release all live fish.
    
    Bassin' Bob
     

    
    	Bob,
    	Couple of quick questions.
    	1.) Is there a minimum size requirement? Is it 15"?
    	2.) Is this just large mouths or do small mouths count as well?
    
    	Denny

    We will use standard mass rules.
    1)  For the size requirement it is 12in closed mouth to closed tail.
    Meaning you can pinch the tail closed and get about a 10th of an
    inch more.
    
    2)  large or small mouth.  Manchuag has some very good smallies
    in it is you want to spend the time to find them.  A friend took
    one 5lbs even this year.
    
    
    
Bassin' Bob
    

    Say, isn't about time, give us something to do, to start talk'en
    about the SPRING DEC BASSMASTERS CLASSIC????????
    
    All these fishing stories have really got me up for another try
    at Bassin Bob, Holeshot, and all the rest of you crazed fisher types.
     
    What'ya say???? Are we going to do it????
    
    Tight lines, Ron and his Ranger....

    Sounds goo!  Are we going to do it at Monomonac so we can get the
    NH and Mass bassers together this time???
    
    Don Mac

    Manchuag looks open in MAY!!!!  What do you say ron a little spawn
    kill?????
    

    I say lets do it at Monomac so we can have both states in the thing
    this time and we wont' have to worry about licenses and registration.
    My thought for a date is May 17th. That way we miss Mothers day
    and the federation tournament and the holiday. What do the rest
    of you say??????? Four guys can't make a tournament......
    
    Same rules as last year, and same entry fee and lunker pool. Anybody
    object to that? For those that may not have fished in it last year
    or need a reminder, I think the rules are in the first few replys
    to this note. 
    
    Open to DEC employees and their fishing buddies.........
    
    Maybe Bob and Joe can send out a little blurb to the distribrution
    list they had last year.
    
    This should be fun................again.
    
    Tight lines, Ron (ten_days_and_counting_for_my_trip)
 

    Is is possible to get on that distribrution list as I did not fish
    it last year. I also have a non DEC fishing partner who owns a boat.
    
    Thanks.
    Dick
    

    
    RON,BOB,JOE and the rest of you guys/girls.  Who won last year?
                                                          
      what was the biggest fish caught?
      what was the biggest weighin?
      who won?
      who fell in?
      how much money did the winner get?
    
                                         creator of  "tobacc"

    	I like the idea of monomonac as its only a few miles away. I
    will be going by there sometime in the next week or two to check
    out the boats...while i'm there i'll check on the may date as
    far as they're concerned....they also charge either 2 or 3 bucks
    for ramp use.
    
    Denny

    for the results of last years tourney, check note 146.76 or so.
    
    We had a ball in Mass, and the N.H. crew also had a good time. I
    don't remember their note number, but its around 146-147. Check
    it out, and I think you'll see that we have a wild bunch of fishermen
    around DEC.
    
    Now, I can't wait.......I think this last weekend was just a tease.
    
    Tight lines, Ron and his Ranger waiting......

    The results of the First Annual N.H. Bass Bustin' Bash are posted
    in note 147.60.
    
    Just to summarize the event, it was a rather cool and drizzly day
    with only 9 hearty souls showing up.  The winner was Mike Haywood,
    a non-DEC partner of Keith Dilsworthy.  Mike nailed a 20", 4.25
    lber plus 1.5 lber to make it a clean sweep for both the largest
    bass and the total weight caught.
    
    A total of 8 legal bass (12"+) were registered, totaling 13.75
    pounds.  At least 8-10 under 12" bass were thrown back.
    
    -Joe-
    

    Yeah, Ron...I guess I could go for a tourney in May as long as it
    doesn't conflict with the BassMaster's event at Pawtuckaway.  Anyone
    know the dates for that one yet?
    
    I had planned on staging a NH event in May and then one in the late
    summer with the idea of having a MA/NH fish-off in the early fall.
    But if everyone is up for an early MA/NH tourney in May, I'm up
    for it.
    
    One thing to keep in mind, though, is that NH has a 2 bass limit
    during the spawning season.  I'm not certain as to what the dates
    are, but I think it runs thru till the end of May.  What restrictions
    and rules govern waters that bound two states?
    
    If the 2 bass rule is in effect, we'll only be able to keep two
    at a time and cull from those two until a noon-time (or so) weigh-in.
    Then, release those and go for two more.
    
    -Joe-

    Monomonac Lake is under the New Hampshire fishing jurisdiction.
    So, if two is the number in  N.H. then two it is........Joe, can
    you check out the dates, etc????
    
    Maybe we can have a separate tourney later for each state, say in
    June, and July, and then a fish-off in Sept, after the labor day
    traffic gets off the water.
    
    Tight lines, Ron

    Ron,  
    According to the "New Hampshire Fishing Maps" book, Lake Monomonac 
    is governed by Mass regulations.  But anyway, the NH 2 fish limit is
    in effect from May 1 - June 30.  
    
    For those unfamiliar with Monomonac (myself included) it's a 425
    acre lake with a max depth of 23' on the Rindge, NH and Windchendon
    Mass border.  Average ice-out is in late April.  
    
    Don Mac
    

	Maybe I'm all wet, but due to the SPAWN kill possibilities, OUR
dedication to CATCH & RELEASE, and general conservation of the fish, how does a
LUNKER tournament sound.  What I mean is, as a team, you only keep one fish in
your livewell and the lunkers of the day take it all.  My concern comes from
pulling a sow off her nest and then releasing her in a different part of the
lake where she does not have a safe nest already set up. I'm told pulling the
males who guard the nest off is just as bad.

	This will release any fish smaller than what you already have in the 
same spot you caught it.  It also carries the spirit of the 2 fish limit a
little farther (sets an example???) in that instead of a boat bringing 4 fish
to weigh-in it will just bring in 1.  One tends to brag more on the lunkers 
than the number of fish anyway.


		Comments?????


					Al Whitman

    Al, sounds good.........I would be up for that.
    
    Don Mac, I looked it (who owns the lake) up in my Map Guide to Mass
    lakes and "it" says N.H. owns the lake......Leave it to the redtape
    artists to mess it up....;^))
    
    Tight lines, Ron

    I looked it up in the 1986 abstract of Mass regs in my desk drawer
    and it says NH rules apply to Lake Monomonac and Robbins Pond, Long
    Pond, Bent Pond and Tuxbury Pond all of which straddle the Ma/NH
    border.  Of course, a Ma or NH license is good on all.
    
    Steve 

    So what's the concensus??
    
    As I see it, here's our current options:
    
    
    1. Hold a joint NH/MA tourney in May and:
    	
    	A.  2-fish limit with noontime weigh-in, release, and then go
            for 2 more, making it a 4-fish tourney.
    
    	B.  As Al suggested in .25, go for a single "HAWG" to minimize
            spawn kill.
    
     
    2. Let each state have their own tourney(s) [spring & summer] and
       hold the joint tourney in the early fall.
    
   
    3. Wait until early June for the joint NH/MA tourney when we have
       a full 5-bass limit.
    
    
    Any other options?  Who wants what?
    
    -Joe- 

    I still like the idea of the single tournament for both states.
    
    Bass'n Bob mentioned that idea about the single fish weigh in on
    the phone yesterday and it sounds ok to me.  But I'd be up for 
    stretching it to a 2 fish per boat limit.  Speaking of which...
                                      
    Last year's MMA tourney was a team event and the NH was a individual
    event, what's this one going to be?  Having fished both last year, 
    I kind of liked the team idea.    

    Don Mac (still home recovering from the temporary brain damge)

    
    
    re: .25
    
    From the results of last years tourney, it was a lunker contest
    anyway.
    
    Also we need one of you systems gurus to change the header of this
    note     """"SECOND ANNUAL""""
    
    
    only nine days and counting. Ranger Ron, have you talked about the
    trip in the notes file? Perhaps we could get some interesting ideas
    or whatever.
    
    

    I vote for the team event....it was FUN and Garry  was right, it
    did turn out to be a Lunker tourney. One or two fish, with maybe
    ten boats (which about all I see now) shouldn't make any difference.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but Monomonac is not famed for its large
    bass. Surveys say the lake has a less than average growth potential.
    
    Tight lines, Ron (heading_south_next_friday:^)

    	I vote for the team event as well. From what I've read Monomonac
    has plenty of bass in the 1-3 lb range but larger bass there are
    pretty rare.
    
    Denny
    

    I'm up for team event.  As long as my partner doesn't decide to
    gab and drink beer and contributes to the effort.
    
    But it still hasn't been decided...WHEN?  Mid-May, early June? 
    
    BTW...the Pawtuckaway BassMaster's Tourney is Sunday, May 3rd.
    
    Chris and I are going...anyone else going?
    
    -Joe-

    	This will be my fourth year fishing Pawtuckaway. I will definitely
    be there. There is another tournament that I may or may not fish.
    The Pepsi Cola Classic at Milton Three Ponds may be the weekend
    following the Pawtuckaway tournament. Last year they had them both
    on the same day and I like the Pawtuckaway one much better.
    	I would prefer to have the DEC tournament after the Pawtuckaway
    one. The weather that time of year is usually a little better. It's
    not that I'm a fair weather fisherman but that I'll probably be
    doing some salmon/trout fishing in April.
    	To nail it down to a date, how about the last weekend in May,
    preferably the 30th which is a Saturday ?
    	As far as team fishing, it doesn't matter to me but I'd say
    go for at least a two fish per boat minimum, not one.
    
    RAYJ

    How does this idea sound.
    
    Each state holds two tourneys, one in the spring or early summer
    and one in the late summer.  Then, we hold the combined NH/MA tourney
    in the early fall on Mononamac open to all.  But, on the side,
    the 6 "best" fisherman from each state form a 6-man team and compete
    against each other in the combined tourney.  No additional fees
    would be required from the 6-man teams (unless, of course, they'd
    like to make it more interesting).  The winning team would then
    be "crowned" the reigning champs for the year.  We could even go
    a step further and require the losing team treats the winners to,
    say, free drinks at the local pub.
    
    BTW...this wasn't my idea.  Rick Palmer suggested it yesterday but
    was afraid to put his 2 cents  worth in here.  I like it.
    
    -Joe- 

    Things are getting complicated... 
    
    The original May 17th tournament on Monomonac sounded fine to me. 
                                                            
    Don Mac
        

    Ya, I agree...........we can work out the rest as we go along. For
    now, lets just get a good'ole fashion fishing party together and
    have us some fun...........the 17th at Monomonac still sounds the
    best (and I've never fished it).
    
    Tight lines, Ron

      
    
    I agree with .37
    

    Well, Rick.  It looks like they didn't like your idea, so I'll go
    with the flow.  May 17 at Mononamac sounds good to me.
    
    

    I will try to ahndle the mass end if Ron helps he again?  A scale
    maybe a problem on this one.  So lets start looking now!
    
    Bassin Bob!  IS IT GOOD LUCK TO BRING YOUR NEW BOAT HOME IN A SNOW
    STORM?
    

    Chris Fletcher has a baby scale that is fairly accurate that we
    used for the NH tourney.  I'm sure he can bring that.  It worked
    fine.
    
    -Joe-

    Alright, sounds like were are on the way.......Now, how many are
    planning to be there????
    
    Ya Bob, I'll be willing to help and don't worry about snow storms
    with your new boat.....it can't be any worse, so it only can get
    better.
    
    tight lines, Ron

    Count me in and I think I can speak for Cris "Bass_Bustin" Fletcher.
    He'll bring the scale (obviously tipped in his favor!)
    
    -Joe-

	Count me and the missus in for this bug swatting affair.

						Al

    I'll be there, riding along with Bass'n Bob on his brandy new Ranger!

    Don Mac

    Since Don will be there in  my brandy new RANGER I guess that means
    I will also be there!!  Boy Don do I have some hot spots on this
    lake!~!!!!!!
    

    BTW...
    
    In case some of you didn't realize it, the Winnie Derby is MAy 15,16
    and 17th.  This derby is primarily lake trout and salmon, so I don't
    know how many of you it will affect.
    
    -Joe-

    	How about establishing a start time.
    
    RAYJ

    
    WHERE IS THIS PLACE?
    HOW BIG IS THE LAKE?
    WOULD A ELECTRIC MOTOR BE ANY GOOD THERE?
    IS ANYONE GOING IN CANOES OR IS IT A BIG BOAT SPECIAL?
    WILL A SMALL BOAT BE SWAMPED BY WATER SKIERS?
    
    
                                                  TOBACC
    

    WHERE IS THIS PLACE?	Rindge NH, Winchendon Mass border
    HOW BIG IS THE LAKE?	425 acres
    WOULD A ELECTRIC MOTOR BE ANY GOOD THERE?	I've never fished it
    but I'm sure if stick to the edges and coves you'd be fine.
    IS ANYONE GOING IN CANOES OR IS IT A BIG BOAT SPECIAL?  Judging
    from last years tournaments, they'll be everything from canoes to
    rangers to center consoles                          
    WILL A SMALL BOAT BE SWAMPED BY WATER SKIERS?  I wouldn't worry
    about the waterskiers on May 17th, but have you ever seen the aftermath
    of a 150hp Ranger's holeshot?  But don't worry, we'll have seperate
    starts for the smaller boats.  A canoe will be fine.
    
    Don Mac

<    WHERE IS THIS PLACE?
<    HOW BIG IS THE LAKE?
<    WOULD A ELECTRIC MOTOR BE ANY GOOD THERE?
<    IS ANYONE GOING IN CANOES OR IS IT A BIG BOAT SPECIAL?
<    WILL A SMALL BOAT BE SWAMPED BY WATER SKIERS?

Lake Monomonac is off Rt 202 in Winchendon, Ma/Ringe, NH.  The ramp is just on
the NH side of the state line,Valley Marine.  The lake is 529 acres.  The max
depth in 19' with the majority of the lake being 5-15 ft.  It appears from the
Mass Fish & Wildlife map that the lake is about 2 1/2 miles long and roughly a
1/2 mile wide.  Last year's tournament had everything from Ron's Ranger to
Don's STUMP JUMPA to canoes.  The ramp is at the shallow end of the lake, so
the nesting bass may very well be in that shallow/warm water this early in the
season. There are a couple islands near the ramp which might hold fish this
early. As I recall the talley at the end of the day was about even across the
board when it comes to which boats caught fish.  I suspect that one of the
advantages to having the tourney so early in the year is a minimal number of
skiers (water too cold and few boats in the water).  Besides if they come in so
close as to cause a canoe problems all you need do is nail the B_____D in the
head with a 1/2 oz spinner bait the next time he comes around.

				ought to be fun...


						Al

    
    Having just parted with my recently received tax refund, I can now
    commit to attending the 2nd annual.  Yesterday, I put a down payment
    on a new Lund Tyee 4.9 with a 70 horse Evinrude.  I take delivery
    April 17 and hope to have at least 60 hours experience (every weekend
    in between) by tourney time.  I'll be there with bells on.
    
    Steve

    i would like to enter your tounement on the 17, my name is randall
    r. blanchette also william jacques. we are both dec employees.
    we have our own boat. i am using ray desrosiers account to send
    thistransaction. my mail stop is nio/b7  vaxmail account tplvax::
    blanchette. could you send me some rules. thank you    randy