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297.1 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | resist me not; surrender | Tue May 18 1993 11:46 | 1 |
| Were you fishing near power lines?
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297.2 | as close to lightning as you want to be | ROBOAT::HEBERT | Captain Bligh | Tue May 18 1993 12:23 | 5 |
| This was a graphite rod, right? They're conductors. You might have been
seeing a variety of Saint Elmo's Fire. Did the hair on your neck & arms
stand up?
Art
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297.3 | | SALEM::JUNG | half-day?>>> | Tue May 18 1993 13:07 | 8 |
| I was on Lake Winnipesaukee. There were no powerlines within miles.
The hair on my neck and arms was not standing up. Graphite pole--I
don't think so but I will check. Could the wiring going through my
aluminum stern light pole have had anything to do with it. I had just
plugged it in a few minutes prior.
Jeff(Captain)
Team Starcraft
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297.4 | | XCUSME::TOMAS | I hate stiff water | Tue May 18 1993 13:08 | 5 |
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Yup...classic case of St. Elmo's fire. It's been known to take a variety
of forms....sparks, arcs, halos and bluish "balls 'o fire."
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297.5 | | XCUSME::TOMAS | I hate stiff water | Tue May 18 1993 13:14 | 14 |
| There's not enough EMF (electromagnetic force) or energy in the
electrical system on your boat to cause the sparks that you saw.
i don't think science has yet to determine the real causes of St.
Elmo's fire, but it was very dry and windy this weekend, and air
passing over objects at a high speed can create a build-up of
static electricity. Maybe the conditions were just right for Elmo
to make an appearance.
BTW...did you have a camera on board? Even if you didn't take pictures,
the effect may have left some interesting effects on the undeveloped film.
It's happened before...
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297.6 | ex | DELNI::OTA | | Tue May 18 1993 14:03 | 4 |
| I wonder if it might have been a lightning storm. We had a doozer of
one here saturday night.
Brian
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297.7 | It'll probably never happen again but... | SALEM::JUNG | half-day?>>> | Tue May 18 1993 14:31 | 11 |
| There was a storm brewing way to the west of where we were. The skies
were clear over us. The incident happened around 8:00 pm and about
2:00 that following morning I heard thunder. It's kinda unnerving
knowing the wire that comes off the stern light passes or might even
touch one of my gas tanks, which is about a foot away from the
battery!!! This has never happened in my almost 10 years of boating.
Is there anything I can do to eliminate the chance of this happening
again. Please don't suggest staying off the water.
Jeff (Captain)
Team Starcraft
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297.8 | | WMODEV::LANDRY_D | | Tue May 18 1993 15:20 | 0 |
297.9 | | WMODEV::LANDRY_D | | Tue May 18 1993 15:20 | 0 |
297.10 | I felt a little current myself | GOLF::WILSON | Think Spring! | Tue May 18 1993 15:22 | 20 |
| Was your boat engine running at the time of the sparking?
If so, you may have a defective spark plug wire or other
ignition component, shorting to the engine or some other
ground.. In that case, 30,000+ volts could be applied to
parts of the boat. Certainly enough to cause 1/4" blue
sparks.
Come to think of it, I was on my boat on Lake Winnie on
sunday afternoon. The boat's aluminum, and at one point
when touching the hull, I felt what I thought was a little
current flowing up my arm. Almost like the "twang" when
you bump your funny bone, but not as strong. I've never
felt that on this boat before.
The weather at Winnie on Sunday afternoon was very unsettled;
dark grey clouds and rain showers at the north end of the lake,
and sunny down by Wolfeboro and Alton. I wonder if there was
some strange atmospheric condition causing this electric discharge?
Rick
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297.11 | Pointer | GOLF::WILSON | Think Spring! | Tue May 18 1993 15:25 | 8 |
| One other thing - the latest issue of Trailer Boats magazine
has an article on the dangers of lightning while boating, and
how to protect yourself from it.
I haven't read the article yet, so can't offer any advice
from it.
Rick
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297.12 | | UNYEM::GEIBELL | DIAMOND -J- CHARTERS | Tue May 18 1993 15:38 | 24 |
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Jeff,
The storm brewing in the distance was definatly it, since electricity
follows the path of least resistance and water is such a good conductor
that the static generated followed across the water. and I would
suspect that probably the poles were in a downriger or a downrigger was
being used?
I have had this happen twice and unnerving? naw its DAMN scarey!
I saw a guy get dropped to his knees when he grabbed one of the poles
that was snapping. once you touch the fishing pole you become the path
of least resistance. the real scarey part is that you dont feel a shock
from static electricity until it reach's ~2000 volts.
how to prevent it from happening? well thats a good question there are
so many unanswered questions about static electricity, I dont know how
one would eliminate the possibility of it happening.
Lee
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297.13 | Whats an Elmo | UNYEM::RECUPAROR | | Tue May 18 1993 15:53 | 3 |
| What is St Elmo's Fire?? Besides a movie.
Rick
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297.14 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | resist me not; surrender | Tue May 18 1993 16:37 | 7 |
| St Elmo's Fire is "a type of corona discharge observed on ships under
conditions approaching those of an electrical storm. The charge in the
atmosphere induces a charge on masts and other elevated structures. The
result of this is a corona discharge which causes a spectacular glow
around these points."
From a Science and Technology Encyclopedia of some sort.
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297.15 | Lightning rod | FSOA::BAZ | Tom Bazarnick | Thu May 20 1993 15:02 | 26 |
| A static charge on an object causes an electric field around that object.
The charge is concentrated in the areas where the electric field is the
greatest. The strength of the field increases drastically around the tip
of a slender object, and the sharper the tip is, the greater the field.
The effect is especially pronounced if the object is a good conductor of
electricity. The static charge is most likely to leak from the object at
the point where the electric field is strongest and the charge is thus
most concentrated. That said,...
Your rod was acting as a lightening rod. A real lightening rod would have
done a better job, because they are made of metal, have very sharp tips,
and are connected to ground with a nice fat copper wire. Lightening rods
are not meant to attract lightening. What they do instead is leak the
static charge off into the atmosphere before it can become so great that
it discharges all at once as lightening. The corona is caused by the
ionization of air molecules as the charge leaks off.
The fishing rod was apparently a better lightening rod that the stern pole,
probably because of its diameter. But the pole represented an easier path
to ground. It's good that the rod was there, as the next best lightening
rod on board might have been your hair! Imagine how Sam Malone would feel
with St. Elmo's fire making his 'do stand on end and crackle!
We used to deal with electrical storms when sailing by tying a piece of
heavy wire to one of the steel cables that holds the mast up, and drop the
other end overboard. And stay away from the cables. Pretty scary.
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297.16 | Zapped Also | DV780::MEDAUGH | | Thu May 20 1993 15:52 | 11 |
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I had the same experience last weekend. I was fishing at one end of
a small lake (with a 9 ft. graphite rod) and as a small storm cloud
swept over the lake I got a nasty shock off the rod, through the cork
handle. It was a typical static discharge. I was suprised I got
shocked before there was any lightning, but there was a BIG electron
flow happening between the lake and the cloud above it.
At least now I know it IS a graphite rod.
Jeff
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297.17 | | XCUSME::TOMAS | I hate stiff water | Fri May 21 1993 10:00 | 8 |
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I read that if you're on the water, make a cast and your line just
mysteriously hangs in the air, get the hell out of there and get down low!
It's a warning sign that *YOU* may be the next target for a lightning
strike!
-HSJ-
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