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>                           -< LANDLOCK SALMON LURES >-

	Streamers have been hot around Mass for landlocks, but 
	I caught mine of broken back orange rebels/rapala's.
	Spoons work good too (orange, gold, etc).
	
	Ken

    I like to run a smallish streamer fly 8-10 inches behind a gold/silver
    dodger. Also flourescent orange Mooselooks work well.
    
    
    
                                Jeff (Captain)
                                Team Starcraft

    
    
         I fish West Grand in Maine for the salmon and we use the
    Mooselooks or Super Dupers (copper & silver). They seem to do the
    trick...
    
    
    Brian

    Up in the Belgrade lakes in Augusta Maine we use a metal silver colored
    lure called a Sweedish Pimple. They come in all sizes. I even use the 
    real heavey ones for salt water Blues and Stripers. I've seen them from
    a 1/4 ounce to 3 ounce.
    
    For streamers, I always had my best luck trolling with one called
    Joe Smelt. You can get them in one hook size or two, but they work
    great.
    
                                                     Scott.
    

    I hate to bust in on somebody elses note "but" while were on the
    subject on Landlocked Salmon I would like to know if anyone has any
    tips regarding the Winny Derby. The Derby is next weekend, May 15,16
    and 17.
    
    My buddy and I will be fishing from a Crawdad while trying to
    manipulate four rods. One being a flyrod the other 3 spinning. My
    questions are regarding depth. We will not have access to downriggers
    so are only help in getting down will be kiel (sp?) weights. Are these
    necessary this time of year or can we just leave 'em up top??
    
    Also, what are the hotter areas for fishing??? Paugus Bay, Meredith
    Bay, Long island, Beaver Island?????? What are these salmon doing??
    Chasing smelt, hanging out around inlets/outlets.
    
    Any help would be appreciated as we are first timers at this Derby and
    hope to win that $20k first prize boat as the Crawdad is getting a
    little cramped with all the gear.
    
    Thanks,
    Bob �

    Have you ever been out on Winni in your crawdad?  I'd suggest being
    mighty careful.  If you stay in protected areas and the water is not
    too rough you'll be fine, but I wouldn't dream of heading out into 
    big water in the crawdad, espcially with all the boats that'll be
    trolling around during the derby.    
    
    The stretch behind long island is popular, and well suited for the
    crawdad.  Meredith Bay sounds like it'd be too busy.  Alton Bay can be
    good, and unless the wind is blowing into it, shouldn't be too rough.
    Lots of folks were fishing the long island area last weekend.  I was
    bass fishing so don't know what the salmon were up to.
    
    good luck,
    
    -donmac

You can also try Saunders Bay, near the marina where Gunstock Brook enters.
I've done well there a couple of times. You can launch at Silver Sands Motel
for a small fee, and the bay is well-protected. I use a canoe. I either use
a gold Phoebe off a spinning rod, or a tandem red-grey ghost streamer at the end
of 30 feet of 4 lb. mono., with a large split shot for weight (to get it down
5-10 feet. You could also use lead core to get down, say, 15-20 feet.)
I troll along the left shore, out to Governor's Island. Twice I've gotten a
dozen smallish salmon right in near the sailboat moorings near the marina.

For me, the MAIN THING IS to give a darting, jigging action to whatever I'm
trolling. Many times I have outfished others in my canoe who got tired of 
keeping the fly/bait moving.

Good Luck ,
Dave

I messed up in that last reply. I meant to say that I troll a tandem streamer
at the end of at least 30 feet of mono off the end of all of my sinking flyline.
I let all of my flyline out , to the backing.  I generally use a splitshot about
4 feet ahead of my streamer.


Dave

    Thanks so far for the info. I know Winni is no lake to full around in
    with a small boat. Hopefully, no one will wake us to Davy Jones locker.
    The darting action explains what I saw last weekend: this guy was
    trolling in a 17' v hull and he had this rod holder that swung his rod
    back and forth from bow to stern in this rythmic fashion. My first
    thougt was that his rod holder had loosened and it was bouncing but it
    never stopped...I have seen it all now
    
    Could anyone give me any hints on speed. I have the new Minn Kota Pro
    Turbo, 42 lbs. thrust. I love this motor. It moves all day on one
    charge. Some people say troll fast the salmon love it. Others say troll
    slow. The waters cold and the fish are very lethargic. Any guesses�
    
    Thanks again
    Bob �

    Hey, where can I get me one of those thingamajigs that jerk your
    rod back and forth in a rythmic fashion. I thought someone made
    something like that but I can't find one. Thats why I only got
    strikes last week when the water chopped up a bit!

    I fished the derby 2 years ago and picked up many Salmon between 10
    and 20 feet deep using a flourescent orange mooselook. As far as
    catching salmon right on the surface, I had no luck. I always had a 
    Rapala running off a flat line from sun-up till sun-down with no
    luck.
    
    When we (the wife and I) got there, we only had 1 downrigger and only 1
    of us was catching fish. On the second day we went to Paugus Bay Sports
    and picked up one of those Cannon Mini Trolls for around $50. It did
    the same thing as my Uni-Troll and we were catching more fish.
    
    Depths were between 10-20 feet. Good Luck..............
    
    
                             Jeff (Captain)
                             Team Starcraft

    .10 I have no idea where he got it. For all I know he probably made it.
    It was definitely a salmon fishermans' dream. Two downriggers off the
    back and a "thingamajig" on the side. This was at Comet Pond in Hudson,
    MA. These guys were getting the kinks out before they put into Quabbin.
    
    You can't jig your line using a downrigger. Can you???? Besides, I
    don't think I could cram any more stuff in that Crawdad. It looks like
    we'll try varying depths using kiel (sp?) weights from 3/4 ounce to 1/4
    ounce. Depending on speed, our depths will probably run from 15' to 5'.
    I have caught salmon on Moosehead with the kiel weights. There o.k.
    when that's all you got.
    
    Bob �

As a kid in the Adirondacks, watching old timers trolling for Lakers, I can
remember them sittin' back in the boat with one hand on the outboard, and one
hand dangling over the side, jerking the line that they were trolling, - and
of course, they were puffing a pipe on the side of their mouth as they took
in all the great scenery on a beautiful Adirondack morning. They seemed to 
be immune to the hoards of blackflies, too!

Anyway, I also troll that way sometimes, with the pole layin' in the boat, and
the line in my hand, over the side. I give the bait an irregular swimming/
darting motion that really brings the strikes. I do this with lead core, as well
as flyline. When a fish hits it pulls directly on your hand, which starts the
adrenaline, and then I grab the rod and play the fish.

Fishin's great, ain't it ??

Dave

>They seemed to 
>be immune to the hoards of blackflies, too!

It was the pipe that did it. the flies knew betterthan to get that close to 
the smoke.e

    It seems to me, with the new Blacks releases I will be using this year,
    I should be able to get some horizontal jigging effects...here's my 
    idea:  For those familiar with Blacks, instead of putting 4-5 twists
    in the line as suggested before putting the line in the release, just
    set the line in and close it. Now if you have say a 75 foot set-back,
    this is creating a fair amount of drag on the line and lure. You should
    be able to jig the pole and let the release act as a pulley. Seems to 
    me this would be a great way to troll a streamer fly off a spinning
    reel, get the fly down in the strike zone, and create a darting action.
    
    What do you think..........
    
                                     
    
                                           Jeff (Captain) 
                                           Team Starcraft

    The idea with the Blacks sounds good to me as long as it doesn't begin
    to fray your line at the release. I'm an ultralight fisherman myself.
    I need every edge that I can get and I believe light line helps alot.
    Especially fish that are constantly being pounded like the ones at
    Winny.
    
    I have another question. Yesterday I was watching the Canadian
    Fisherman/Outdoorsman(?) and they were fishing for Landlocked Salmon.
    The thing that amazed me is that they were using a lure that I used
    when I was in Alaska. I spent four months on Kodiak Island and the one
    and only lure out there was the Pixie. I couldn't believe it when I saw
    them using the same lure. My question is has anyone out here used this
    lure on landlockes? They were killing them with it but those salmon
    were twice the size of the average that you would catch at Winny. Any
    Pixie users out there who would like to comment....
    
    Bob �

    
    Copper/redhead needlefish 50 pulls back has got 5 in the box so far
    on Lake Champlain! 4 ft down......
    
    						Happy Camper

    50 pulls back??? What does that mean??? You pull out 50 arms lengths of
    line..... Nice to see them so shallow anyways......Looks like its going
    to be a great weekend.....
    
    Still hoping to win that boat
    Bob �

    
    re. -1
    
    	You got it...50 arm lengths seems to work. Seems like they like the
    52 degree water...

    Out here in Colorfull Colorado, there are an assortment of lures that
    Cocanes seem to like, but my favorite's are Panther Martin's. A black
    body with red dots, and a brass spinner also w/red dots seems to be
    their favorite. Depending on the sun, the yellow bodied ones seem to 
    work well also.
                                          GOOD FISH'N
                                                             -Tim-

	My favorite ones at 11-Mile, Grandby, and Blue Mesa include:
	Mack special with an orange popper
	Cow bells in front of a kokanee killer with a worm
	Shad rapala

	These have to be trolled VERY SLOW at about 10 ft.  BTW, 11-Mile
	is hot for kokanees right now from the river channel at Goose Isl
	to Deer Isl using the first two lures.