Conference wahoo::fishing-v2

    
    
          Jeff,
    
         For the fish of the lakes in NH I would say that PENN 9 M or PENN
    310's would do the trick., but I would honestly look over the Shimano 
    triton 100's also. if there would be a possibility of a NY trip go with 
    the 310 or shimano 100 or 200.
    
                                       Lee
    

    
    
    	Jeff
    
    			You might try looking at a PENN 109 or 209 level
    		wind. Its cheap and easy to clean and grease..
    
    
    
    	PS: I also have a pair of Cannon Downriggers. Not bad stuff.
    

    Lee, I should have known you would have the answer. I was seriously
    considering the new Penn 310....until you mentioned the Shimano Triton.
    The Penn weighs in at a full pound, while the Shimano is 13.2 ozs.
    I saw the Shimano at a local shop yesterday. Their always high price
    was a whopping 64 and change. Cabela's has it in their spring catalog
    for 52 something. I ordered 2, along with a couple of Black releases,
    weight retrievers and some 6# test(that new Trilene Ultra Thin).
    
    While these reels might be a little overkill for my normal usages, I 
    will be ready for the Big O or that 10 pounder at Winnipesaukee. Ya
    never know........
    
    
                                     Jeff (Captain)
                                     Team Starcraft

    
    
       Jeff,
    
            I know the issue about reel types and pro's and con's have been 
    beaten to death in here, and shimano has been run through the mud
    because of poor repairs and customer services.
    
             I have 4 Shimano triton 200 GT's, and 4 shimano triton
    downrigger rods, have had them for 4 seasons, have had NO problems and
    NO complaints, and I would definatly replace them with shimanos if
    anything ever happened to them.
    
            I always used the logic of thinking ahead, if there is a remote 
    possibility that you would be chasing bigger fish than NH has to offer
    go with the big equipment now. you may spend an extra 10.00 - 20.00 per
    reel this year but 2 years down the road you will need to spend alot
    more to upgrade to bigger equipment.
    
           
                           Enjoy the new equipment!!!!!!!
    
                                    Think about a trip out here too!
    
                                                Lee
    

    Jeff. I have two DAIWA great lakes reels. They have line counters on
    them which really tends to be helpful. I have the older, larger sized
    reels but they came out with a smaller version last year. I think they
    sell for about $70. I recommend them highly for trolling/downrigging,
    either can easily handle the larger fish. I also use Shimanos and I have 1 
    Quantum pro 4L which holds a mile of line. I think Shimano has it all over 
    my Quantum except for line capacity. What I do when I put line onto my 
    other reels is to mark them every 200' with read magic marker to help 
    with the line counting.
    
    
    Don
                                            

    I have mostly Penn Reels in my slmon collection: 209s, 320s and a 210.
    The 320 is without a doubt the best overall reel in my opinion.  But I
    have to be honest and say I really, really like the Penn 210.  You may
    want to check it out.  I can't see why they don't push the reel more
    heavily.
    
    It's in all the catalogs.
    
    Now if they'd only make a LH version....
    
    /brett

    
      Brett
     
        I own 4 Penn reels, 1 220 and 3 230 series reels. For the $$$
      "in my opinion" you can't buy a better spinning reel. The only drawback
       i've ever had was the first year (1989) I owned the 230 series reel
       I broke two bail springs in two different reels. I called Penn thay
       asked how many reels I owned, and sent me a half dozen springs
       for my 220 and 230 series reels FREE !!! I haven't broke a spring
       since then. I also own a Cardinal C3 spinning reel, nice but doesn't
       compare to the Penn.
    
                                                     Kiv
    

    Lee, I just received my 2 Triton 100's. Quite a nice piece of
    equipment to say the least. I will be planning a trip to the Big O
    this year. Could you tell me when a good time would be. It would
    probably be for a couple of days. Maybe when it warms up a bit. When do 
    you have ice out, or when do you expect it to be out? I'd love to 
    throw back 1 of those 10 pound Salmons.
    
    Thanks for your advice on the Shimanos!
    
                                    Jeff (Captain)
                                    Team Starcraft

    
    
       Jeff,
    
         Good luck with the reels, if they are as dependable as mine then
    you will definatly be happy! 
       Ice out? thems NH terms, lake O does not freeze over, the bays
    freeze and they have been clear for several weeks, boat acsess had been
    clear almost all winter.
       best time to come out here? depends on what you are after, 
      Brownies: mid april->mid to late may
      steelies:  "   "      "   "  "   "
      coho's  :  almost anytime of the year
      king's  : july-->october-->best is aug & sept
      Lakers  : june-->october
      atlantics: hit & miss few and far between
      landlock:   "     "    "   "   "    "
    
       I always have a great time over the 4 th of july week out here, last 
    year we boated alot of fish in the 3 days of fishing, cant remember the 
    nuber but we did very well.
    
         If you are planning a trip out here let me know and we can see if 
    I can help you out any, if you are coming to sodus point, I got a
    decent yard so if you got a tent you will be all set. and if you have a 
    loran I can transfer some of my coordinates over to you, and show you
    around the area some.
    
                                                      Lee
    

    Geez Lee, that's mighty hospitable of you. You can probably expect me
    to be knocking at your door in the July/August timeframe. Don't have 
    a Loran, but if you could just point! 8^). I'll have to rely on map and
    compass. Thanks again for all the information.
    
                                      Jeff (Captain)
                                      Team Starcraft

Hello,

I have some questions concerning reels.

 
I crossed last year the Atlantic with my sailingboat and bought in
Las Palmas some fishing equipment. 300 feet of the strongest line,
two wooden fish, nothing else.
My avarage speed was 4 kn up to 6 kn. Winding in 300 feet on a piece of 
wood is tiring, so I'm considering to buy a wheel. My next trip across
the Atlantic is slowly coming up and I would like to be better equiped.

So I went to the local fishing shop here in Switzerland and no problem,
he carrys them. 400$ . I do not want to catch blue marlins or the
white shark. I think, 400$ for replacing my piece of wood is a little
bit hefty.
He has one for 80$, but he guarantees me it will break during the first
year.  

What do I need ?  (for the open ocean) ?


Peter
    

    Hi Peter,
    
    Sounds like quite a trip!!
    
    I would recommend either a Penn or Shimano levelwind.  There is a Mail
    order store in the United States called Cabela's who ship
    Internationaly.  They have a catalogue which you can call and order. 
    The phone number is 308 234-5555.
    
    Best of luck,
    
    Duncan

    Hi Duncan,
    
    I have acess to a catalog from a boating mailorder house in the
    states.
    
    There is one levelwind in the catalog.  Penn 309M for 43$ (1991)
    The spec is 350 yards of 30 lb. Its that the one I need ?
    
    If my memory is correct, I have 100 yards of 150lb line .
    Is this line and the reel compatible ? 
    
    
    Thanks for your help
    
    Peter

    Hi Peter,
    
    I think it might be a good idea to purchase new line with the reel you
    intend to purchase.  150LB test is a bit heavy for general use...  I 
    would probably buy a 500yard spool of 20lb test for the Penn 309M. 
    
    Does the 309M have a spool filler which layers the line side-to-side
    when reeling in?  If not, I would look at the PENN 310, 320 or 330 GTI
    as a good all-around medium size reel.  It has a graphite and stainelss
    steel body with ball bearings and a loud clicker.  I beleive the price
    is around $55 U.S.. 
    
    I recently received a new Catalogue from the U.S.A called OFFSHORE
    ANGLER.  There is a reader service card which you can return to receive 
    their free catalogue on a regular basis.  If you want to give me your 
    mailing address, I will send a card out for you.
    
    
    Best regards,
    
    Duncan
    
    
    

Hello Duncan,



thanks for your help. I'm wondering about the strenght of the line.
All my fishing knowledge comes from an article in "Cruising World".
They recommanded the strongest line available.

During my Atlantic crossing, a got only two fish. The first was
a 2 feet long fish (I do not know the name in english, something with
"gold" in it) and the second fish took part of my equipment with him,
when the line finaly gave in. 

At the end of our stay in  the Caribbean, we got a 2 feet tuna. My 
unexperienced eye tells me, 20 lb strenght is not sufficent. People
tell me, that most fish you get in the open water, are at least 2
feet long. I was using a 20 centimeter (8 inch ?) long "fish" lure. It has 
to survive a floating plasticbag and other trash in the water at 6 kn.

Peter

    

 I think perhaps 50 lb test would be enough for all but the largest fish.
Of course, it will provide less sport on smaller fish, but you won't be nearly 
as likely to break off.

    Ok. So I need a Penn 320GTI or 330GTI and a 50 lb test line.
    
    I'm going to try it out this summer in the Mediteranien.
    
    Thanks   Peter

>    Ok. So I need a Penn 320GTI or 330GTI and a 50 lb test line.

 I personally don't think a 330GTI is big enough for the open ocean.
I'd probably opt for a 4/0 or 6/0 Penn Senator. A 6/0 Senator will hold
somewhere in the vicinity of 500 yards of 50 lb mono; that's enough for
some really big fish. But a decent blue marlin or tuna could still
easily spool you.

    In my catalog I have :
    
    Penn High Speed Senator Trolling Reels    112H,113H,113HLW,114H
    
    
    Penn GTi Level Wind Trolling Reels        320GTi, 330GTi
    
    
    Whats the difference between a wind trolling reel  and a high speed 
    trolling reel ?  The 114H and 113HLW are both specified with 50lb line.
    
    What is "trolling" ?  What is a downrigger ?  
    
    
    Peter

    
    
           Peter, you're not going to tell us all that you sit out
    there with a worm and a bobber, are you? (^:  <--- (this is a smily
    face to let you know that I'm kidding.) 
    
    Trolling: Usually done at slow speeds 1.5 to 5 mph. You set your
    lure out behind the boat between 10 and 100 feet, maybe farther
    and you sit back and drink alot of your favorite beverage. This
    (trolling) allows you to cover much more area that fishing in one
    place er "than" fishing in one place.
    
    The downrigger allows you to fish at a controlled depth. Basically
    it's an 8-10 pound lead weight attached to a steel cable which is
    on a large spool. You attach your line to the cable and lower the
    weight to your desired fishing depth. when a fish takes your lure
    the line releases from the cable and the fight is on while your
    lead weight stays where it was until you spool it back up. With
    downriggers you can put your lure/bait at any depth up to 100 feet
    or more (depending on how much cable you downrigger can hold.
    Price: between $60 and $600 give or take a $100 or so. 
    
    Don't know what catalog you have but downrigger should be in there.
    
    
    
                                         Jeff

    
    
       I should add that downriggers are used when trolling.
    
    
                    Jeff

    
     Hi Peter! 
    
          You asked "Whats the difference between a wind trolling reel and
    a high speed trolling reel" ?
    
         The biggest difference is the "WIND". Wind you ask?  The wind
    assures you of perfectly even spooling of line on to your spool. 
         The wind or (line guide) is made from a high strenght stainless
    steel.
                      
                                                    Kiv 

    Hi,
    
    thanks for the help. The words you are using for fishing, are not
    exactly the ones I learned at school.
    But now, I can see the difference. When I look at the catalog,
    I can see the the "wind" (little arm) inside the 320GTi, and this arm is
    missing in the 114H.
    
    I do not intend to do downrigging. I hope there is always enough air 
    movement (I can hardly use the word "wind" here) to prevent it.
    
    May I ask another question ?  
    
    The reels with a wind are cheaper and smaller the the ones without a
    wind. Is there any reason for it ?
    
    Peter

>    The reels with a wind are cheaper and smaller the the ones without a
>    wind. Is there any reason for it ?

 Level wind mechanisms are not typically used on reels which are expected to
encounter large fish or use heavy line due to the difficulty in designing
a reliable mechanism which will work under that kind of load. Level wind reels
are designed to work with a lower line class.

    And it's not all that important that the line be perfectly smoothly
    wound, anyway.  If it starts to pile up in one place, one push of
    the finger will move it over to the other side.
    

	Another difference in the price between the GTI and Senators
	is that the Sentators use more stainless steel and appear
	to be more rugged, a very solid reel.  Though I've never used 
	a GTI, which should also be a very good quality reel.

	Ken

    
    
    I have a Penn 320 GTI and Shimano Triton 200 for Level Wind reels.  I
    also have an old large body Penn trolling reel (4/0 ??) and a very old
    Ocean Pacific trolling reel.  I find that for the size the 320 and 200
    are extremely strong and rugged reels for the money.  However, as
    mentioned previously, these reels may not have the line capacity you
    require for large off-shore fishing.  If your after food more than
    sport, go for a large body Penn reel with 50 or 80lb test line.  If you 
    want a combination of food and sport, buy a Penn 330GTI and 2-3 thousand
    meters of inexpensive 20Lb test line.  If you want real excitement, buy
    a Penn 12T spooled with 900 or so meters of 12lb test line. :-)  The
    latter being my preference.
    
    One thing is for sure Peter, advice is free! :-)
    
    Best regards,
    
    Duncan

    I have a question for anyone interested.
    
    I am looking for a couple of Lightweight 8-1/2 or 9' Downrigger rod.  I 
    presently use two Shimano Triton Medium action rods. One is a spinning 
    in 8-1/2' and the other is a levelwind in a 9'.   I am fishing for
    Salmon on the great lakes and have enjoyed good success over the past
    few years, however I am finding these rods (both with Shimano reels)
    too heavy for the 10-25 pound Salmon which we're catching.
    
    Any free Rod advice out there??
    
    Thanks in advance for any responses,
    
    Best regards,
    
    Duncan     
     

    re .28 I have been using Browing's Midas series Steelhead rods(8-12lb)
    with Shimano GT-100(8-12lb line)reels for many years, have everything
    else on the market but the Brownings are my favorite.
    

    Thanks!,  I'll have a look at them.
    
    DC

    I finally broke down and built a couple of 9' glass downrigger rods
    using 10-weight fly rod blanks (.570 butt) from LG Custom Tackle.  They are
    considerably lighter than my Shimano Triton's while still having a
    crisp but noodly action (sounds like a contradiction in terms eh!). 
    This is acheived with by having a relatively fast tip with a slow
    mid-section and butt.
    
    The Salmon are hitting hard and heavy on Georgian Bay!!
    
    Duncan

	Any good spots on Georgian Bay to fish Salmon/Steelhead from shore?

	When does the run normally start and how long does it go for?

Cheers,
Ger

    Hi Ger,
    
    I fish out of Owen Sound by boat using downrigger's.  The next best place 
    to fish for Bow's Splakes, Skamania and King's is right of the wharf.  It
    extends approx 150M.  Most people use spawn sacks.
    
    The season for King's usually starts around the latter two weeks in April 
    and lasts well into the end of May.  I'm not sure when the river fishing 
    get's hot, but I've heard it can be incredible.
    
    Let me know if you need more info....  I'm heading up on the long
    weekend.
    
    Tight Lines,
    
    Duncan dtn 621-4713 @KAO