Conference wahoo::fishing-v2

    If the boat was drifting you cast down wind so that when the jig hits
    bottom and you get some good jigs in at 90 degrees before the jig drift
    off to far. If the boat is at anchor, you cast out in any direction 
    to cover more bottom. A party boat will anchor on a piece of
    structure that hopefully is holding fish. As the boat swings
    on the anchor the boat passes over the structure which maybe be very
    small. Chances are also those guys are feeling pickups you don't
    even know you are getting.
    
    As far as cast a big jig with a 4/0, piece  of cake, you use you
    thumb to keep the spool under control, bring it to a dead stop when the
    jig hits the water and then lightly thumb it as the jig sinks. Always
    cast under hand.
    
    Bruce

    re:-1 He's the expert!
    

    your best bet is to start in the backyard.
    Get a weight of some kind rubber or lead .
    Set your drag and magnet on your reel so that when you push the
    release the weight slides out easy.
    Then pratice overhead casting.
    

    
    how about fresh water jig? i have them, but never use'em, i always
    plan on using them but end up using things i've perfected. sometimes
    i'll tie one on..(im not talking about a buZZ) throw it out a fewtimes
    then i usually give up,and either use a spinnerbait,rubberworm,sloggo
    gitzit or whatever i've never given them a chance, is it worth the time
    to give them awhole days workout?
    and what kind or trailer do you like to add on to them? color? ive
    tried white pork trailers.
    
    						(Gill_Raker)
    who wants to utilize more of my equipment.

     Try a 3/8 oz. black/blue Stanley jig with a black # 11 Uncle Josh Pork
    trailer. I can be more specific, if necessary.
    
    --El Bandito

    I have been using the bootlegger jigs with the rubber trailer that was
    designed for them.  These are the wierdest looking trailer, but in the
    water they have a tremendous amount of action.  I have had great
    success in clear water, that is rocky more than weedy.  But I
    understand that Jigs work well in heavy cover, I can't seem to fiquire
    out how you fish the soup because all I ever bring up is about 8 lbs of
    weeds.
    
    Brian

    
    
    There are a few questions I have reguarding the casting of your jigs
    guys.
     First is as some of the reel manufacturers don't indicate if they
    have a anti backlash magnetic set ups on their reels. Would you know
    some of the types for heavier conventional gear that could be used for 
    heavy jig casting? I'm presently using a Diawa 400h loaded with 40lb
    mono and a Diawa graphite Sealine slg22h rod for the bottom
    dwellers.4/0 too heavy or 40 lb too heavy?? 
    
    Second is last year on a trip out of Long Island the mates on the boat 
    were under-hand casting off the weck about 50-60 yards and were the
    only ones to reach the fish. The rods and reels that they were using
    looked more like conventional surf casting outfits than for the fight
    them out of the wreck in heavy current with heavy weight outfits.
    Question is how light can you go on the line and reel before something
    is out of sink and what combo would you suggest as the perfect reach
    the cod off the wreck outfit?
    
    Third is the guys that were catching most of the cod were using rigs
    that had red tearers with the bait set-ups. One of the guys said that
    he had picked the rigs up at Montauk Long Island. Maybe the Viking
    Fleet charters out there has a catch them when others can't rig.Looked
    like a miniture squid in red. Anyone have any ideas on a good rig
    set-up with squid tearers.?
    
    Forth is how about some tips on how to feel these critters. Yes when
    they are HUNGRY hold on to the rod but when they are fussy what are you 
    feeling for? Heavy weight, no weight, or what? 
    
    I would like to say also that the wealth of information that one can
    gain from reading lots of past notes is invaluable and thanks for
    adding to a fellow anglers bag of tricks. As well as tipping the scale
    of catching towards the angler a little more. Thanks for all your
    wisdom as well as the laughter.
    
    The Fishin-Technician
    Irv 

re:                        <<< Note 40.7 by KYOA::LUIZZA >>>

> first and second questions on casting jigs


	I can't suggest the perfect setup for casting away from the boat
	for cod.  On the charters I've been on, the only types of setups
	I've seen mates + captains use are more-or-less conventional setups
	for cod fishing - usually a Penn Senator 4/0 or a Daiwa something or
	other, and a standard boat/jigging rod.  Seems like they can cast
	easily and far, and that practice makes perfect.  I use a Penn
	Senator special 4/0, 50lb dacron w/ mono leader, and 7� foot Daiwa 
	graphite heavy action rod.   I can cast ok with this setup, always 
	underhanded.  Nothing *too* far though.

	For bait setups, I use a 16 or 20 oz weight on the end of the line,
	then about 6-10'' up from there I make a loop that holds the
	hook, often with an orange tube over the hook w/ bait.  Another 10-12''
	up, another loop and hook.  Seems to be pretty effective.
	
	I also use those pink/orange shrimp, sometimes with bait, sometimes
	just as a teaser.  Also use em w/ jigs.

>    Forth is how about some tips on how to feel these critters. Yes when
>    they are HUNGRY hold on to the rod but when they are fussy what are you 
>    feeling for? Heavy weight, no weight, or what? 

	I set the hook at the slightest feel of a nibble and hold on!  
	Not sure what you mean by weight? but I like to get away with
	the lightest weight that holds the bottom, usually 12-20 oz.
    
	Ken

    
    Thanks for the reply Ken. What I was talking about in the last question
    reguarding weight was if they sometimes hung on to the bait and move
    with it (no weight) or stay put heavy weight but no pull. I've felt the 
    machine gun nibbles of them pesky bergalls and can distinguish them
    pretty easily. But as some of the other notes have stated that some of
    the guys have been missing bites cause of just not feeling them, which
    is why I asked about the weight meaning type of bite.
    
    Do you like the Dacron vrs the mono just due to the feel and the lack
    of belly? I have use the black dacron for offshore trawling and hadn't
    thought about using it for cod fishing.
    
    The Fishin Technician
    Irv

    Agh!! The old Dacron vs mon debate.   :^)
    
    	I'm a Dacron fan because of the lack of stretch and subsequent
    increase in sensitivity. It also enjoys a long life even in the salt
    water environment. Its main drawback is its larger diameter. It also 
    is supposed to be less abrasion resistant than mono but I don't consider
    that a problem. I use mono leader.
    	Just to add fuel to an ancient debate, what about the new Kevlar
    line Dupont has developed? I don't know about abrasion resistance but 
    it appears to have all the qualities of Dacron and is super thin.
    Regards,
    Paul  

    
    
    Well that's what the rat-a tat machine gun fire bites were not a
    berguall but the fish actually shooting machine gun bullets to kill the
    bait. Does sound interesting high strenght small size Kevlar line.
    
    Any comment on the types of bites you would feel and when to strike?
    
    Looks like my trip may be posponed due to not to many fish on the
    inshore wecks yet. Water temps still not to their liking yet in the
    area waters. Some are around but on the offshore wrecks 60+ miles, a
    long boat ride in the cold with little fishing time.
    I also read in the snowball cod note that the guys were putting their
    trip off a few weeks due to the currents. Is that because of the full
    moon on that date creating under currents?
    
    /Irv

re: Kevlar fishing line from Dupont

Hah!  I'm off to Northern Ireland to do some database consulting w/ Dupont,
and one of the things they make there is that Kevlar (sp?).   I'll have to
ask if they make fishing line.   Does this new line resemble mono (or is
it mono) ?  Or is it a "fabric" type of line ?

As far as why I use mono, same reasons that Paul mentioned.  It's also all
I've ever used for deep sea.  The low stretch I think makes a big difference
when jigging.  With mono, the line stretches so much you get less movement
of the jig that's 250' down.  Plus I like the fact that it lasts season so
season. I also like the way it behaves: it has no memory, doesn't coil up
like mono.  I also think dacron is super-sensitive - I can feel every little 
bump with the dacron, though I have a good rod that helps with that too.
Mates on boats don't like it because it's tougher to undo tangles.

Funny Paul should mention that dacron is thicker.  I thought it was the other
way around.  Plus, the dacron compresses a bit, whereas the mono doesn't, so 
to me thickness of the line of equivalent lb test isn't an issue.

>    Any comment on the types of bites you would feel and when to strike?
    
The moment (or just after ;-) that i feel any bite, I set the hook.  I 
would not wait to set the hook when fishing for cod.   Just lip hook em
and pull em in.   If they're mouthing the bait and the bait/hook is in the
mouth, go for it!  

Last season I did well jigging.  Finally broke 20lbs.  It's tougher to feel
the bite but I'm getting there.

Ken

    Re -1>
    Ken,
    	Maybe youre right about the diameter. I've noticed that dacron
    seems to "bow" more than mono in a current. I assumed it was diameter 
    causing the resistance; maybe its just surface resistance or something.
    I've never consciously done a side by side comparison.
    Regard,
    Paul 

Dacron clearly has more drag in the water.  It has much more surface area than
mono of equivalent diameter.

There are negatives to not having line stretch, particularly when jigging.  If
I jig hard in 250'+ feet of water and drop the tip immediately, chances are good
the jig won't move much.  BUT, if I hold my tip up, the jig will 'snap' as the
mono returns to its non-stretched state, much like a rubber band.  Sometimes
the fish key into the snap (bait making a quick getaway).  Ande 50# has pretty
low stretch (tournament green, anyway).  I prefer mono upto 200-250'.  Any deeper
and it's pretty useless.

Tim

 The coefficient of friction of dacron in the water is significantly higher
than that of mono. Something like a factor of four, if I remember correctly.

Somebody in a previous note mentioned a new fishing line coming 
out that will be made using Dupont's Kevlar.

Well, I couln't find anyone at the Centrum's Dupont booth (Stren) 
that knew of any development in that area using Kevlar. Apparently,
they had been asked that very same question a few times already. 

	Steve

    After reading this stuff about Dupont's "kevlar" line, I decided to
    call Dupont and ask them myself. 
    
    They just called me back and confirmed that they have never heard of
    it. 
    
    I suppose it's possible that some other line manufacturer is buying
    Kevlar from Dupont and manufacturing their own line, but Dupont knows
    nothing about it.
    
    That's my nickel's worth.
    
    Art