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Conference vmszoo::rc

Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

1363.0. "UHF RC, pre-purchase opinions pse" by SUTRA::FROST () Tue Sep 24 1991 07:58

    Any noters from Germay reading this?
    I would appreciate your opinion here.
    
    I was recently shot down on 41MHz here in France and want to move to
    something safer. I have been flying Becker equipment for years (1976)
    without a hitch - same xmitter, servos, reciever etc.
    
    When I bought it it was one of the first FM set available here and as
    you can see it has given very good service. BUT.... its 27MHz and I
    retired it in favour of the above 41MHz set last year - only to be shot
    down!
    
    I swear by Becker as being the best.....in all depts and would like to
    continue with them.
    Now, they have always offered a 433MHz (or 436MHz) and I need expert
    advice before parting with my money. Lots of it for the 'best'.
    
    What are the merits and demerits of the 1/2 GHz bands, television? UHF?
    anybody out there know?
    
    		regards  George Frost
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1363.1Some inputs on Becker and 434 MHzKBOMFG::KLINGENBERGWed Sep 25 1991 09:0166
    George,
    
    yes, Germany is listening... A buddy here at work used to have Becker
    radio equipment and still dreams about it. It is probably among the
    best you could buy, but it's VERY expensive, and therefore, rarely seen
    even here. I do remember their big ads in the mags of the 1970s, there
    are no ads any more, but they are still in the market and from what I
    hear, they are still excellent. The friend here is only sometimes 
    following the notesfile, you might want to contact him via mail. His
    name is Reinhard Wolff (KBOMFG::RWOLFF), but is first hand experience
    is a few years old. Maybe he knows others who still fly Becker (and
    maybe even on 434 MHz). Reinhard is out this week, so don't expect an
    answer before next.
    
    I used to own a Multiplex Professional Radio on 434 MHz back in
    1978/79. I was happy with it because there usually was noone at the
    field in the whole band!! Unfortunately, it had some bugs. First, the
    receiver had a problem, probably a bad contact. Just refused to work
    one weekend where it had worked fine the weekend before, and there was
    no 'incident' in between, just sitting on the shelf. Sent it back to
    Multiplex, they claimed to have it repaired, and a few weeks later, I
    lost a plane due to the very same failure. Took the receiver apart and
    got it working by hitting a coil with a screwdriver! Wrote an angry 
    letter and got the receiver exchanged and two new servos to compensate
    for the loss of the plane. Can't complain over Multiplex service!
    Although they should have fixed the problem in the first place.
    
    Some weeks later, the transmitter failed for bad contact of the
    crystal (on the ground, fortuinately). The Multiplex was the only 
    radio on 434 MHz with user-interchangeable crystals. Possibly the 
    wrong way to go with UHF. Not sure whether the Becker crystals are 
    soldered in. I got fed up with the radio, and Multiplex exchanged 
    it for a 35 MHz system that is working ever since.
    
    What I liked about the 434 MHz radio: It had these nice short antennas
    (TX, about 10", receiver maybe 16"). No range problems at all, no
    'searching for oil' with the TX antenna, no problems to put the RX
    antenna into small planes. The receiver was a bit bigger, though, maybe
    comparable to todays dual conversion receiver. I liked the system a 
    lot, if only it had worked reliably. But this was possibly only one of 
    the first of Multiplex' systems (demo system from our dealer) with some 
    bugs not sorted out.
    
    Nevertheless, all big brands in Germany (ROBBE/FUTABA, GRAUPNER/JR and
    MULTIPLEX) don't carry the 434 MHz systems any more. Maybe it's because 
    of technical problems, maybe because of low demand (and customer 
    conservativity). I once heard that most of the new systems had gone 
    to Berlin because it was a tough place to fly (restricted area and many 
    modellers). All other bands were full, 434 MHz seemed to be the solution. 
    It was not. The modellers soon learned the hard way that some East Block 
    military services used this band. So, it was (at least for big parts of 
    Germany close to the former border) at least as risky as the other bands. 
    Don't know about this situation in France. In Germany, the 35 MHz is 
    restricted for model aircraft use only and is therefore probably as safe 
    as we can get (there are jerks everywhere that will use anything for 
    purposes it's not intended for, right?).
    
    So - before you consider using a new (unknown) band, try to find out
    what other services are there (or close). And maybe you can get safer
    just by using a more conventional band (is there an 'aircraft only'
    band in France?) and a better technology (dual conversion). I'm pretty
    sure, Becker can help you out in this area as well.
    
    Hope this helps,
                     Hartmut
    
1363.2SUTRA::FROSTThu Oct 03 1991 10:1238
    gruss gott Hartmut,
    
    	tks for the info and news.
    
    	Yes I agree with your colleague's opinion of Becker radio. I bought
    one of the first batch (50) of sets off his production line way back in
    1976. Not one failure since when using his equipment.
    
    I have visited him several times to buy bit and pieces and found out
    that Horst is a real modeller who built his first radio for a fellow
    club member and developed from there. What is sure is that he is first
    and foremost a damned good specialist engineer in this field. He sells
    a great deal of his equipment professionall e.g. Swiss defence force
    etc.
    A matter of interest: his servos must be seen and heard to be believed.
    They are both Rotary and Linear output, more powerful than any other
    equivalent size that I have seen, run bearing and all have metal gears
    and pinions (since the start).
    If this seems a promotion of Horst Becker's gear.....it is. I would put
    his gear up against ANY system worldwide. Its Rolls quality.
    
    Cost is high yes. I was offered a new Rx and Tx (466MHz) for around the
    1800DM price. Now if I am not going to be hassled at that frequency, I
    am happy since I know that I will continue using his gear for the next
    10 - 15 years trouble free. No need to buy new servos, my originals are
    still in superb condition.
    
    In France 41MHz is reserved for modellers (aircraft) only. However,
    even with double conversion we are very crowded and a lot of us fly in
    the 'General Modelling' bands. Hence my research for a safe report in
    the 433MHz band. Are there any other French Modellers out there who
    read this notes file.
    
    		tks for the news and lets keep in touch. I shall contact
    your colleague asap.
    
    		regards  George Frost