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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
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Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

1089.0. "Terminal corrosion on battery in flight box" by GENRAL::BALDRIDGE (Now it's Summer!!!) Tue Aug 22 1989 14:40

	I realized this is probably a stupid question, but I have to ask 
anyway.  What causes the corrosion build-up at the connection to the flight 
box battery?  Let me explain:  Sunday after I connected the alieron, mounted
the wing, fueled up, mounted the Ni-starter, I grabbed my trusty Sullivan
starter, pushed the switch   ----  Nothing!   I had tested it just before
leaving the house.  Huh?   I have a Tower Flight box( which BTW, I don't
recommend)  so the battery is enclosed under the power panel.  I removed
the power panel and found the power leads to the battery, which terminates
in large alligator clips, were all corroded at the battery connection.

	I intend to replace the alligator clips with ring lugs and bolt to
the battery and then coat with anti-corrosion compound.  I can envision
such corrosion in a high humidity environment like Florida, New England, 
etc, but was quite surprised here in lo-humidity, hi-altitude Colorado.

	Anyone offer an opinion?


Chuck

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1089.1Black Wire Corrosion.CTD024::TAVARESJohn -- Stay low, keep movingWed Aug 23 1989 11:269
Chuck, this is called "black wire corrosion", and has been
much discussed in the magazines over the last two years.  The
answer is that nobody knows what causes it -- the best theory has
to do with the current in the wire reacting with the insulation
of the wire and causing the corrosion.  The thing that makes it
hard to explain is that it generally only occurs around the
negative terminal on the battery (thus the name), but has also
been seen elsewhere in the circuit.  The solution: keep an eye on
the wires and replace as necessary. 
1089.2Copper and Tin don't mixK::FISHERStop and Smell the Balsa!Wed Aug 23 1989 13:2624
>Chuck, this is called "black wire corrosion", and has been

Maybe - but I'll bet it happened on both the negative and positive
terminals.  Assuming this I believe what your seeing is common
corrosion caused by current flow through dissimilar metals.  This is the
reason that you can make a battery out of a penny and nickel sandwiched
between some paper and spit.  

Also this is the primary reason aluminum house wiring is illegal in
Massachusetts and most other states now.  If you hook aluminum wire
to copper connectors they will corrode and cause high resistance and
heat and eventually possibly a fire.  

Your alligator clips are most lightly made of copper and your battery
terminals are made of tin/lead alloy.  If you solder a tin/lead
spade lug on the ends and bolt that to the battery connectors you will
never see the problem again.

Wonder what the cycle time is on those penny/nickel/spit batteries?

Bye          --+--
Kay R. Fisher  |
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1089.3Corrosion on both postsGENRAL::BALDRIDGENow it's Summer!!!Wed Aug 23 1989 14:186
    Kay, you're absolutely right!  Corrosion on both alligator clips
    which are tin/? plated copper. Ring lugs and bolts definately in
    order.
    
    Chuck
    
1089.4a galvanic coupleLEDS::LEWISWed Aug 23 1989 15:2710
    
    Yes, it sounds similar to a problem we had with one of
    the disk drives our group was designing.  We were grounding a copper
    flex circuit to an aluminum chassis using a tin plated screw, and
    the different metals form something called a "galvanic couple"
    (just love that term!).  Anyhow, we were getting corrosion and had
    to add a ground lug made of compatible metals.  Seems that your
    solution should work fine.
    
    Bill
1089.5Grease it up!!MAMTS1::BDONAGHYThu Aug 31 1989 17:4213
    Try using the ring lugs like you mentioned, make sure the posts
    on the battery are real clean ( use some light sand paper or steel
    wool- becareful of shorts-). After you attach the lugs and have
    a good connection coat the terminal posts and any bare part of the
    lug with vasoline or bearing lube or automotive lube . the corrosion
    comes from oxidation which can only occur when air is exposed to
    metal. The same thing happens to your car battery. I have used this
    meathod for a long time mand it seems to work well.
    
    
    Good Flying 
    
    Bob in Phila.
1089.6corrosive fumes?POBOX::KAPLOWSet the WAYBACK machine for 1982Wed Oct 25 1989 12:565
        You didn't mention the type of battery you were using, but a
        lead/acid battery gives off corrosive fumes and sometimes slop
        acid around. That could be doing in your connections. Best bet is
        the ring lugs and the jelly lubricant as you would do on a car
        battery. Also make sure your battery compartment is vented.