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543.1 | Upgrade to belt drive? | LEDS::ACCIARDI | I Blit, therefore I am... | Mon May 16 1988 13:44 | 10 |
| If you're willing to spend another $30 or so, a genuine Kyosho belt
drive upgrade kit is available for the Turbo. It includes a belt,
new differentials, and front and rear gearbox housings. All the
hobby shops here have them in stock.
The benefits are greater reliability, higher efficiency, and quieter
operation.
Ed.
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543.3 | Optima Belt-Drive Contamination... | LEDS3::ACCIARDI | I Blit, therefore I am... | Tue May 31 1988 13:42 | 33 |
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Rather than start a new note, I thought I pick up here...
I wanted to warn any present or potential Optima/Optima Mid/Turbo
Optima builders to be to be absolutely certain that the belt drive
system is totally sealed. For the second time in a few months,
I've managed to munge up the spur gear in the rear gearbox with
particles of sand. The first time, the contaminants breached the
lower belt cover, which had lifted off of the chassis plate. My fault.
Recently, it happened again. The symptoms were motor overheating,
and difficulty in rotating the large drive gear (the one that the
motor pinion mates with). Apparently, the sand or dust or pollen
will lodge itself in the root between two gear teeth, building up
to a layer of crud that eventually prevents the gears from meshing
properly. The mating tooth will actually begin to pound itself
out of shape. The only fix is to rebuild the gearbox with a new
spur gear and differental. I don't mind the few bucks for parts,
but the labor involved is a real bitch.
I had thought that the contamination was also making it's way in
through the large 15 mm differential bearings, so I had smeared a
little grease on outward facing shields on these bearings to
act as a dirt barrier. Apparently, this hasn't worked. I'm not sure
just how the crud got in this time.
I also plan to avoid lubricating the gears this time. It seems
that any grease on these gears acts as a dirt magnet. I'll take
my chances on tooth wear, heat, and noise.
Has anyone else had similar problems?
Ed.
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543.5 | ! | LEDS::ACCIARDI | I Blit, therefore I am... | Wed Jun 01 1988 09:42 | 14 |
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Wow, that graphite is pretty slick stuff. I picked some up last
night and tried it out. It takes a little work to pulverize it
and get the particles to cling to the gear teeth, but I found that
a stiff paint brush does the job nicely.
The belt/gear train is now amazingly friction free, without the
viscous resistance of grease. I'll seal it up again tonight with
RTV and see what happens.
Thanks for the graphite suggestion. I guess I'll try some on the
suspension pivots and kingpins etc, too.
Ed.
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543.7 | ... | LEDS::ACCIARDI | I Blit, therefore I am... | Wed Jun 01 1988 10:45 | 10 |
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Bad coice of words... I, too bought a small tube of powdered graphite,
but the stuff has a flaky texture. If you rub a little in between
your thumb and finger it crumbles into a very fine film.
The flakes won't stick to the plastic gears. You have to sort of
'smear' it onto the parts. I found a stiff brush works well for
this.
Ed.
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543.8 | Tip... | SASE::RODRIGUEZ | | Wed Jun 01 1988 15:14 | 11 |
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Try Paragon Racing products graphite lubricant. I'ts very good
at lubricating gear teeth and dogbone ends. It comes in a small
bottle with a needle aplicator. It's a liquid graphite solution
that you apply and dries out in a couple of seconds leaving a
graphite lasting graphite coating on the surface. It will definitely
NOT attract dirt.
Orlando.
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543.9 | don't use grease | 3D::COMINS | | Mon Jun 06 1988 10:59 | 9 |
| I think most of your problem is the grease. I have had a belt drive
in my Turbo-Optima for a long time and have had ZERO problems.
I did nothing special to seal the drive train although extra
precautions can't hurt. When I used the chain drive I did use grease
and like you say, the grease was a dirt magnet. I had LOTS of problems
with the chain and dirt.
Todd
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543.10 | Fixed! | LEDS::ACCIARDI | I Blit, therefore I am... | Mon Jun 06 1988 13:48 | 11 |
| I finally settled on a product made by Paragon that is teflon particles
suspended in a volatile solution. The liquid evaporates in a few
minutes leaving a fine white dry film.
I degreased the entire car and applied the teflon. The car glides
so easily that my battery is lasting 6-8 minutes, even with a hot
motor. The car is so quiet that you can't hear it from 20 feet
away. All in all, it looks like I'm all set now.
Ed.
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543.12 | ...\ | LEDS::ACCIARDI | I Blit, therefore I am... | Mon Jun 06 1988 16:03 | 8 |
| I got the Paragon lubricant at Bill's Hobby Barn in Sudbury, MA.
A 2 oz bottle was $3.95. It only takes a few drops to lube the
entire car.
For de-greasing, I disassemble the entire car and run it through
the dishwasher! It works great.
Ed.
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543.14 | Turbo Optima | IOENG::JWILLIAMS | Zeitgeist Zoology | Thu Jun 09 1988 12:02 | 32 |
| Well, I did it. I went and bought a Turbo Ultima. It looks like
a real nice car. I finished putting the suspension together last
night, and here are some impressions:
The transmission is nearly friction free. It has a full compliment
of bearings with a ball differential. The ball differential requires
some adjustment to set the compression on the balls. This is done
via an axial hex screw, and is pretty delicate. There is some friction
when you rotate the rear wheels in opposite directions, but forward
power offers little friction. There are two ball races, one between
the halves, and the other behind the compression screw. There are
fourteen bearings in all, two for each wheel, and two for each gear
axle, of which there are three, including the differential.
The suspension consists primarily of an A strut ( no toe alignment
on the rear ), and a ball joint for adjustable camber. The ball
joints are not the turnbuckle type, they are adjustable, but have
to be removed first ( there is a right hand thread on both ends).
This makes it harder to adjust the camber. The connecting rods also
have the same type ball joint. It looks like nylon around polished
metal, probably steel. The shocks look really nice, they're the
sealed oil piston variety, and have an adjustable damper. The spring
is also adjustable via a collar.
Both front and rear suspensions have anti sway bars, connected through
ball joints. The whole suspension feels really smooth. I can push
down on the chassis, and the whole thing returns to normal without
sticking. I can drop the chassis, and it doesn't bounce at all.
Overall, I'm pretty happy so far. More to come.
John.
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543.15 | It screams! | IOENG::JWILLIAMS | Zeitgeist Zoology | Mon Jun 13 1988 12:12 | 21 |
| Well, I made a couple of refinements. I decided to junk the three
speed resistor throttle control in favor of a fatuba 112B throttle
controller. It's the size of a servo and mounts in the same place.
I replaced all the tie rods with turnbuckle types. I have this fear
of stripping the plastic threads on the knuckles while removing
the tie rods several times to adjust camber and toe in. I got the
whole thing together (except the body, which I painted last night),
and took it for a test drive. Does this baby scream!
I ran it out on the street outside my house, trimmed th steering,
and proceeded to give it full throttle. I didn't clock it, but it
must of hit 30+. It has a nice low center of gravity, and proved
impossible to tip. The receiver has a built in BEC that operates
as low as 4 volts, so runaway was never a problem. I ran down the
battery on purpose to see what would happen, and the throttle never
locked.
I'm going to install the body tonight, and I'm looking forward to
some good fast runs.
John.
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543.13 | | LATNCY::MORGAN | Brad Morgan | Mon Nov 28 1988 20:16 | 7 |
| Ed,
The January '89 issue of RC Car Action has an article on "Chemical
Warfare" which lists two products from Paragon, Ultralon and Liquid
Bearings. Which of these two are you refering to in .12?
Brad
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