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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

278.0. "RC NOSTALGIA" by WINERY::HUFF () Fri Aug 21 1987 21:59

     Don Huff
     DTN 521-3024
     WINERY::HUFF
     
     The topics  and  discussions  in this CONFERENCE are UP-TO-DATE and
     extrememly interesting, full  of HIGH-TECH information and a marvel
     of what  MAN  can  do.   But like all things and in all things, MAN
     (especially those whom have much grey on their top bodily covering)
     says, (and rightfully so)  "That  you young guys have really got it
     easy today!  Why, I  remember when we had to trudge hip deep in the
     snow,  bare-footed, yet, and for 20  miles,  just  to  get  to  the
     GENERAL STORE to get soem toothbrushes that  we  could  dissolve in
     acetone, just to make glue to construct our  ARCHIMEDES  PAOLI twin
     rubber  pushers.    You  may  have  seen our pictures,  dressed  in
     KNICKERS,  VEST  and  TIE on the flying field (probably where  some
     MACY's is sitting today"
     
     There is always some old COOT like me that says all you new guys in
     RC have got it easy.  But I also remember when I  built my first RC
     in  1955  and  I thought we were really in "MODERN TIMES" then.   I
     Looked  back  at what had happened before me, back to 1950, back to
     the late  40's and then the GOOD Brothers back in the 30's, thought
     about where we  were in 1955 and, WOW, WE HAD IT MADE.  Sure wish I
     could have met JIM  WALKER,  though.  The stories were legend about
     him!    We  all  figured    he   must  have  been  in  league  with
     "YOU-KNOW-WHO" to do the things we  read  and  saw  pictures about.
     NOBODY could do the things he did with the current state of the art
     in those days.
     
     I am proposing a NOSTALGIA FILE, one based upon TECHNOLOGY and just
     plain FUN;  a file of replys about wonderful  and crazy things that
     happened way, WAY BACK WHEN........;  when one successful flight  a
     day  was  the  norm,  or even a successful retrieval from the  corn
     field,  or  wooded area, or even a return from a fishing vessel  at
     sea.    .....Can you believe......,  the  day  before  NICADS......
     When pencells were king ( and you went broke) or those wonderfull
     YARDNEY SILVERCELLS (LR-1 at $6.00 per  each  back  in  '57 and you
     needed 4 for an old BONNER or  any  other MULTI-SERVO)....One crash
     and  they  were  KAPUT.    Remember,  JOHN  WORTH    flew  CASCADED
     ESCAPEMENTS  on  single  channel  even before "GALLOPING GHOST (or)
     SIMPL-SIMUL"
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278.1I TRY RC (OR) I'M AFRAID IT'S GOT ME FOR LIFEWINERY::HUFFFri Aug 21 1987 22:0471
     I built  my  first  RC  ship,  a  STERLING  MAMBO, in 1955.  It was
     powered with a K&B  TORPEDO "15", no throttle, just full bore.  the
     receiver was a home built,  made from an ESSCO LORENZ TWO SOFT TUBE
     KIT, voltage "B" battery of 45  volts,  made  from  cutting  down a
     portable AM Broadcast battery, rated at 67  1/2  volts.    Buy  two
     batteries, cut both down, and have pieces to put together to make a
     third.  "A" battery was a couple of pencells  in  parallel,  or one
     "D"  battery.    These  receivers  were  "CARRIER"  only  operated;
     transmitter carrier "ON"  for control, "OFF" for whatever-else.  At
     this  time, single channel  "TONE"  operated  radios  were  on  the
     market,  usually  only  as  magazine  schematics.    Early  SCHMIDT
     mult-channel  tone  radios  were on the  market  and  the  original
     BRAMCO  five  channels  also.    The  SCHMIDT  was  based  upon  ED
     ROCKWOOD's  early  pioneering efforts.  I believe the  first  MULTI
     CHANNEL servos for general over-the-counter sale were made by DMECO
     (Harold DeBolt).
     
     The  transmitter  I  used, I also built from a kit  by  the  little
     outfit in Higginsville, "ACE".  It was a ground based box,  about a
     foot long, eight inches deep and 8 inches high with a nine (9) foot
     whip antenna (three screw  thread  joints).   The transmitter power
     was rather exotic for the  time.    I used a BB54-A 2 volt wet cell
     powering a filtered output, vibrator power  supply,  supplying  135
     volts of "B" and used a length  of  nichrome wire, wrapped around a
     form, to make a dropping resistor for the  1 1/2 volt "HARD" tubes,
     a 3A4 and a 3D6.  A lot of  guys were using what they called a "MAC
     II" transmitter in those days, a power amp rig putting out 5 watts.
     But  they  had  drawbacks,  such as fracturing the crystals, if you
     powered  up  without all your antenna up and stuff like that there.
     Mine only put out 2.5 watts and was called a "MOPA" circuit, MASTER
     OSCILLATOR, POWER AMPLIFIER. WORKED GOOOOOOD!!!
     
     For  the  control  in   the  airplane,  the  receiver  triggered  a
     "NEOMATIC"  relay which in turn,  activated  a  "NEWX"  escapement,
     motive power being a wound up  rubber  band back to the tail of the
     airplane.    RUDDER  ONLY,  not  even ENGINE  CONTROL.    And  this
     escapement  was  not  one-position  self-neutralizing.  You had  to
     remember  what  the  last  command  you  gave the airplane  because
     control was right-left-right-left and on and on.  Rmember the  last
     command  or you might get the next one wrong!  We  thought  it  was
     GREAT, just GREAT!
     
     That  MAMBO  was  a  nice ship, but I had built U-CONTROL and  free
     flights  for  years  and knew the wing was designed week.  I put  a
     couple of plywood  spar  joiner  reinforcements  in  it  and had no
     trouble.  A lot  of guys broke wings on this airplane and "AUGERED"
     hard!  Just think, the  BABCOCK  MARK  II  Compound Escape was just
     about on the scene, and between  it  and  the  CITIZENSHIP COMPOUND
     Escapement, there was only ONE NEUTRAL.   One  push  on  the  MICRO
     SWITCH 6 foot long keying cable I held  in  my  hand  would  in the
     future, ALWAYS give me RIGHT RUDDER.
     
     Can  you  imagine,  unassisted ROGs, straight flight, turns, rolls,
     split S's and, even spins, all at FULL THROTTLE ('cause there ain't
     nothin' else) and EVERY LANDING a "DEAD STICK".  A lot  of guys had
     fly-a-ways  because  of  receiver  trouble,  wound-down  escapement
     rubber,  sticking escapement "CLAWS", nervousness at  spiralling  a
     bird  down  that had too much altitude,  disorientation  with  high
     altitude and just plain naot able to make  headway  against a stiff
     wind with an airplane that wanted to climb steeply  all  the  time.
     P.S., I NEVER HAD A FLY-AWAY. Just lucky I guess.
     
     Oh, yes, and then there were those guys that flew CITIZSHIP (brand)
     rigs  on  465  MHZ.    27.255  MHZ  and  465  were the  only  legal
     frequencies non-hams could  use.  (That was CITIZENSHIP brand, from
     VERNON McNabb, one of  the  first  pioneers  in production RC gear;
     actually the first, I believe,  and  the  ONLY  guy for a long time
     that produced stuff on 465. BABCOCK came along later with his.
     
     CASCADED ESCAPEMENTS IN THE NEXT FILE REPLY, with BABCOCK MARK IIs,
     yet, in a DeBolt CHAMPION, circa 1956?????????
278.2CLOSUS::TAVARESJohn--Stay low, keep movingMon Aug 24 1987 12:1042
I enjoyed hearing your RC nostalgia stories.  Hope you continue,
and others with such experiences should speak up too.  I've been
following Eloy Marez's commentary in Model Builder on Wee RC,
where some folks are building the smallest systems possible --
one fellow has a hand launched glider with a wingspan of about 12
inches, and a weight of just a few ounces  (I know that Ken
Willard built a peanut-sized RC using modern equipment).  The
"glider" is just a stick with wings!  So there is some interest
in keeping the old equipment going, and there is a place for that
still.  

My first try at RC, in 1959 or so, aborted on the workbench.  I
sent away for an "amazing" RC radio kit, cost all of $20.  That
was as big a chunk as I could afford, being enlisted in the Air
Force at the time.  The kit was called the Vanguard.  It used a
little sub-minature tube (not the gas tube, the other one) that
soldered into the receiver PC board (pc boards were futuristic
back then).  The transmitter was a 12" long about 3" square box
with a button on it (actually I think it was a switch).  Anyway,
the whole dream went south when I hooked the receiver up for a
power on test and reversed the B+ and filament connections.
Couldn't find anyone who knew anything about it, couldn't find
replacement parts in the hobby shop; they didn't even stock
escapements.  Very embarassing, since I was a radio tech at the
time.

I never forgot that though.  I decided then that RC was just too
complicated and that sooner or later the technology would work.
Played with sports cars and sailboats (believe me, on the skip a
meal to buy oil for the car end of the scale) for 20 years while
my life settled down so I could go back to model planes -- I
watched the technology for that time, though, never got too far
from it all.

A lucky break came just a few months ago when a friend gave me
the last 20 years of RCM -- including the first issue!  I read
every one cover to cover, and even built a single channel .020
job, the DQA from about 1964.  Haven't flown it yet as the
Colorado winds have been present -- in the fall and winter they
die down, and I will fly it then.


278.3TIME MARCHES ON - A LITTLE FURTHERWINERY::HUFFMon Aug 24 1987 20:47137
     Sort-of----1956....  I  said  that  DeBolt  probably  had the first
     successful multi-servos for radio  control  flying  and,  indeed, I
     think he did.  But  there  were  lots  of homemade rigs seen in the
     magazines;  never any plans, just  pictures.  One of these was by a
     fellow  named  Taylor.    His did get  into  limited  production  I
     believe, mainly on the east coast.  However,  DeBolt  marketed  his
     nationally  and  everybody  flew (some crashed) until Howard Bonner
     came  along  with  his  first mult-servos, completely enclosed in a
     square  can,  in about 58???  They were tremendous, except for  one
     little fact.  He had a motor that ran its armature shaft  on  steel
     ball  bearings  which circulated in a plastic race that was part of
     the motor  case.    When a little wear in the plastic occurred, the
     armature wobbled, struck the internal magnet and FROZE right there;
     INSTANT CRASH.  They were  recoverable  by  changing  the  motor or
     pressing  in  an  oilight  bearing instead  of  the  ball  bearing.
     Bonner's SERVO came along after his former  compund  escapement and
     regular escapement.  His compund could activate his regular through
     third  position contacts and Stuart BABCOCK invented and air  bleed
     system  gimmick  that  could  be  used  to obtain two speed  engine
     control. 
     
     Bonner  never let grass grow under his feet and came out  with  the
     VARICOMP, using a cam plate and torquerod with cam follower.  Since
     John Worth  and others were working with what they called "CASCADED
     ESCAPEMENTS,  which  were  two  compound  escapements  electrically
     hooked and switched together  so  that  one push of the transmitter
     button gave right rudder, two  gave  left  rudder,  three  gave  up
     elevator and four gave DOWN elevator.    A  quick  blip gave engine
     control.  I quickly took two of  the  NEW  BABCOCK  MARK II COMPUND
     ESCAPEMENTs and made my own switching to do  the  same thing, still
     with NO engine control.
     
     About  this time a place callled COBB HOBBY in  Georgia  (now  it's
     LANIER  Arf Models) brought out one of several servomechanisms they
     marketed with  a four-position compund escapement, complete with an
     add-on stick box  for  the  transmitter.  With this, you pushed the
     stick to where you  wanted  and  it  gave  the right control.  Real
     NEAT;  and still I had no engine control.  By the way, I was flying
     the original DeBolt Cahmpion with inverted K&B 15.  Wouldn't fly on
     a 10-3 T.F., but would fly fine  a  10-2.  Later I put a torp 19 in
     it  and  had a real tiger.  Still  flying  a  LORENZ  CW  receiver,
     although it was a new one I had built;   now called a CASCADE QUAD.
     Still used 45 volts, but had a screen grid bias of 22 1/2 volts and
     two diodes in the circuit;  still an RK61 front end  and XFY1 relay
     driver.  Still used this receiver when I built a BABCOCK BREEZY JR.
     with  extended  wing  and  a lot os sheet balsa and with a TORP  15
     instead of the  requested  .049....    What  a  bomb.    Flew it on
     proportional rudder at 1957  NATS  at  WILLOW  GROVE, Pa.  Got shot
     down by MACII tuning up  in hangar.  Lots of airplanes bit the dust
     that day because of that.
     
     Bonner and his VARICOMPS had a problem;  the nylon cam swelled with
     heat  and age and jammed the cam  follower;.....CRASH!!!    But  he
     fixed it and you could do a lot  of  good  flying with it, regular,
     with  kick-up  elevator,  and cascaded for both up and  down,  with
     engine  control.    Ken  Willard  modified  a BABCOCK MARK II  with
     special  claws  and  followers and using the COBB STICK BOX, won  a
     NATS in INTERMEDIATE with his "POOR MAN'S MULTI!
     
     The  problem  with  MULTI  CHANNEL  to  this  time  was many faced.
     Besides the  failure of the servos, the "REED" Radios were just not
     dependable.  These  radios, dating WAY, WAY, back used what we call
     a "resonant reed relay",  or  as  it  was shortened to be called, a
     "reed bank".  Using the  audio  signal  out  of  the  last stage of
     amplification of the receiver, this was  passed through a many turn
     coil, which had a Permanent magnet at  its  core.    This created a
     pulsating magnetic field at the frequency of the  audio  tone.  The
     metal frame of the unit directed this field to  influence a line of
     narrow,  thin  Swedish  steel metal blades, all cut to a  different
     length,  the  length  corresponding  to a resonant frequency of the
     audio  frequencies  coming  through  the  coil.    When  the  right
     frequency  came  along,    say,    UP  ELEVATOR,  the  metal  blade
     corresponding to the UP  ELEVATOR  direction  of the ELEVATOR SERVO
     would vibrate, bouncing against a  contact which had a DC potential
     on it.  This would cause pusating DC (poor man's AC) to go across a
     filter  network and cause a relay (UP  ELEVATOR  RELAY)  to  close.
     VOILA, the aircraft pitched it nose up, or  into the ground, if you
     were inverted on the deck!
     
     Since  these  systems  were  so  neat, but rather unreliable,  with
     controls  dropping  out  (not  useable), only the hardiest and most
     masochistic persons (not to mention loaded with $ and time) kept at
     it.  People  said they were voltage unstable, temperature unstable,
     HUMIDITY UNSTABLE!  The  truth  is  that the transmitter TONES were
     unstable and when BOB DUNHAM  built  his  first  REED MULTI CHANNEL
     rigs, he beat this problem and  true, dependable MULTI RC WAS BORN.
     The story is that Bob wanted to  build  a  rig and he looked around
     for  a  suitable  transmitter circuit.  COLBY EVETT  had  an  audio
     circuit he had found in an ARRL (AMERICAN RADIO  AND  RELAY LEAGUE)
     article (ARRL IS THE HAM'S BIBLE).  It used a 3A4 audio oscillator,
     stabilized  with a TOROID.  IT WORKED' fantastically so!  For years
     after this, DUNHAM'S equipment had the only reliable tone stability
     to set it  and  forget it.  I had many of his units, could tune and
     set them up myself  and  never once had a lost command due to radio
     failure;  SERVO FAILURE, yes;    Power  Pack  failure, yes;  but NO
     RADIO FAILURE!  Dunham showed the far-reaching world his rig at the
     1957 NATS, flying a TORP 35 with BRAMCO THROTTLE, BONNER SERVOS and
     a BONNER SMOG HOG aircraft.  Seven foot  airplane  at 5 1/2 pounds!
     I watched him win with it and it was SMOOTH! 
     
     WALT GOOD came in second with his WAG (WALTER  A.  GOOD) "MULTIBUG"
     flying  his own radio, the TTPW (two tone pulse width  or  as  some
     called it, too tough to piddle with).  It was a very critical radio
     with  five  subminiature    hard    tubes  and  three  relays,  for
     proportional (wriggling surfaces) of  elevator and rudder and three
     position escapement engine control;   most  axial rolls I had seen,
     better than DUNHAM's AILERON ROLLS!   ACE RADIO was due to kit this
     radio, but most people had an ACE  contracted  radio man build them
     for them.  LOT of fiddling to make work and the servos were running
     in  a  stalled  condition continuously and the high current  drain,
     vibration and arcing made for fairly short servicable life.   No PM
     equals CRASH!  All of these guys were still using pencells (AA) for
     servo  power.    All  the time you could find them changing battery
     boxes, complete  with  cells,  between  flights.   The LR-1 Yardney
     Silvercell was just  around  the  corner  (Low Rate, 1 ampere hour,
     rechargebale, vented at $6.00 per  cell,  1.4-1.5  volt  per cell).
     Later on, when I would purchase  some  for  Bonner  Servo  Power, I
     found they self destructed when you crashed.
     
     Pylon Racing (AMA, not NMPRA...remember, this is  1957)  was won by
     KEITH STORY of the FAST Club of California  (F.A.S.T.    stood  for
     FIRST ALL SPEED TEAM and was primarily a TEAM  RACE U-Control club;
     its most well-known member is probably GRANGER WILLIAMS of Williams
     Brothers  of Belleflower, Ca.).  KEITH flew a semi-scale BONZO with
     OLIVER TIGER Diesel 15 and Bonner Servos with Dunham Radio.  Harold
     DeBolt came in  second with of all things, a smaller version of his
     MULTI-BIPE, with BRAMCO REED EQUIPMENT and a FOX 15.  DeBolt always
     was an ENGINE MAN.   He could get lots more power out of any engine
     than anybody else, and ex speed man!  I have slides of this contest
     and DeBolt was posing with his Big Bipe and the candidates for MISS
     MODEL AVIATION.  Very NICE, but remember, this  was  1957 and these
     cuties are around 50, now!
     
     Next  time////// CITIZENSHIP gets into MULTI CONTROL;  ECC/CG/Frank
     Hoover also.  Transistors take over.  Mad scientist Herschel Toomin
     doing something out  in California.  Johnnie Brodbeck sees need for
     another engine.
278.4MORE NOSTALGIA IN NOTE 239WAZOO::CASEYATHE DESERT RAT RC-AV8RTue Aug 25 1987 19:4859
    Sure have enjoyed this journey thus far!  Yer' almost (not quite)
    up to where my R/C involvement began: in the Frank Hoover F&M era.
    I invite you to read through note 239, "RAMBLINGS FROM THE DESERT
    RAT" for lots more nostalgia, though, admittedly, of more recent
    vintage.
    
    I tried on two occasions to make single-channel w/escapement work
    with limited success and had pretty much decided that radio wasn't
    a viable commodity, at least yet.  After being discharged from the
    Air Force, finding that I was disenchanted with U-control, I built
    a Goldberg Junior Falcon, then a 1/2A Skylane controlled by Control-
    laire (sp?) Mule Tx and superhet Rx built from kits, but still with
    a Bonner compound-escapement.  To keep the story short and to the
    point, I still had only moderate success getting anything approaching
    reasonable reliability from the escapement and, again, decided that,
    unless things changed drastically, I could see no future for me
    in R/C.  
    
    About a year an a half after my discharge, probably 1963, I ran
    into a long-time U-control buddy who was flying a Senior Falcon
    with an F&M 4-channel PROPORTIONAL radio.  That was IT!..now a model
    could at last be realistically controlled and I WAS HOOKED!!  BUT,
    what about the cost?...a new one of these marvels cost nearly $600!
    AND...we're talking 1963 dollars here.
    
    Then I learned that another modelling buddy, Ted White, was working 
    for Frank Hoover (F&M) in Albuquerque, NM and could "fix me up"
    with a used set.  $425 of these '63 greenbacks bought me a 4-channel
    rig (only 3-ch.'s trimmable - no throttle trim) and, was I proud?!
    I learned on hand-me-down Mambo's, Beams, Stormers and Falcons before
    completing my first bird, a Kazmirski/Top Flite Taurus in around
    '64-'65.
    
    The F&M rig used Bonner trans-mite servo's, converted from reed-to-
    proportional use, and had to be disassembled and CLEANED about every
    4-5 flying sessions.  To neglect this meant the feed-back pots would
    gunk-up, the servo quit and adios airplane....but what a pain in
    the A__!  We sure take a lot for granted nowadays.  Later, Frank
    upgraded to the Titan Servo with frictionless inductive feedback that
    eliminated the PM routine and was a giant step on the road to improved
    realibility.
    
    Before wrapping this up...did you know that F&M stood for Frank
    & Mary (Hoover that is)??  Also, the F&M line of multi-channel reed sets
    were dubbed C.G., not for Control Guidance as was thought by many
    at the time, but for Frank & Mary's son, C.G. Hoover.  I was very
    close to Frank and C.G. for over 10 years 'til Frank sold out and
    the business was subsequently mis-managed down the toilet.  C.G.
    was an expert pilot, on a very near level to Ted White and had a
    devilish streak in him (see the nostalgia notes on the Albq. Fun-Fly
    in note 239).  He and Doug Spreng used to drive each other to the
    brink of distraction with pranks like hiding the other guy's wing
    just before the next round of a pattern contest...but that's another
    story.........
    
    Gotta' go, keep 'em comin,
    
    Al Casey