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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

211.0. "car motor parameters" by ROCKET::ONEILL () Wed Jul 01 1987 08:14

    I wonder if some of you car drivers could explain a little
    about the motor used in the r/c cars. I read an article
    in a recent r/c car action about motors but it seemed to just throw
    a lot of numbers at me with out to much depth. I myself am not
    an avid car person but since my son has one, I often get the chance
    to play and I, I mean he's interested in a larger motor. One term
    used was a "4 minute" motor. What does this refer to?
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211.1your mileage may varySCRAWL::COMINSWed Jul 01 1987 09:328
    A '4 minute' motor can be expected to drain you ni-cads in 4 minutes.
    An 8 minute motor will do it in 8 minutes.  Of course these are
    just estimates and 'your mileage may vary'.  If you are racing you
    should try to use the full charge in your ni-cads in the duration
    of the race.
    
    Todd
    
211.2HOMBRE::DAUGHERTYWed Jul 01 1987 11:3135
	Basically (at the grossest level) it's a trade-off between
	power and running time, the "stock" motors being the longest
	runners and "drag" motors (yes, they drag race these things)
	being the shortest.

	Rating motors as "4 minute motors" is kind of a relative
	thing. Actual running time depends on the obvious things,
	gearing, friction, speed controller.......but, generally,
	I've seen motors perform as advertised on asphalt and 
	carpet. If you run in sand it's a whole different story.

	This is only part of the story. The next thing to consider
	is the power and torque characteristics. This is not unlike
	"real" power plants. Depending on the type of wire (gauge,
	number of strands), the number of turns, and the timing, 
	the motors can have alot of low end with a broad power
	curve or can be very peaky.

	Sometimes this is important. In 1/12 road racing it is far
	more important to have a "drive-able" motor than it is to
	have the most horsepower. In large oval-type racing (of the
	3 minute variety) peak power at the top end is the way to
	go, so you'll see motors sold as "oval" motors. 

	So if you're off-roading, get a "modified" or "sprint" motor
	from a good company (Reedy, Trinity, Kyosho, Tamiya, Cam,
	Checkpoint, Rev-tech, Losi....I'm sure I left out some good
	ones) or do what everyone else does....go to the races and see
	what's winning.

	Chris



211.3Clodbuster's motors...MAGIC1::BEAUDETBeware...the Junk_Yard_Dog!Fri Aug 12 1988 09:5223
    
    
    	Ref .8
    
    	Most of this reply is correct - except that the stock RS-540
    	motors are identical.  The reversing is accomplished via the
    	wiring harness at the Power/Economy switch.  So any motor can
    	be utilized in this truck with the standard wiring harness.
    
    	For those using an electronic speed control (which elminates
    	the stock harness) and are unwilling to make their own cable
    	harness or unwilling to see a motor running in a non-standard
    	direction, Trinity now markets a "set" of motors specific for 
    	the Clodbuster which indeed, has a reverse wound front motor 
    	and a standard wound motor for the rear.
    
    	As a side note of interest, the apparantly "top of the line"
    	highest-torque motor for the Clodbuster is the new Turbo -05
    	motor.  This is a direct replacement "bolt-on" for all 540/05
    	stock motors.  List is $79.00.  If matched with an 8-tooth
    	pinion, the truck is appparantly capable of pulling 100+ lbs!
    
    
211.4Motor winds?NACAD::ARRIGHIopen the pod bay door, HAL.Tue Apr 24 1990 14:2717
    Can someone enlighten me about the relationship of the number of
    wires (referred to as "winds") to motor performance?  What should
    I expect the difference to be between say a 14 turn single wind
    and a 14 turn quad wind motor?  The impression I get is that fewer
    winds (with the same number of turns) produce more torque (high
    end? - low end?), but at what expense?
    
    It would also be interesting to know what kind of run times people
    are getting with various motor - battery (SC, SCR, SCE) - vehicle
    weight combinations.
    
    We have Trinity Monster Mash motors (16 turn, single) in both a 
    Monster Beetle (14 tooth pinion) and Big Boss (19 tooth pinion),
    using both 6 and 7 cell SC packs.  The MB easily runs 3 minutes (on
    road), the BB just makes it with that combination.
    
    Tony