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Conference vmszoo::rc

Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

206.0. "HORNET SUSPENSION TUNING?" by INTRPD::SHATARA () Sat Jun 27 1987 13:12

    I have just recently converted my kids' grasshoppers to hornets
    and added a faster moter to each.  The one problem I can't seem
    to fix is that the car "HOPS" when it hits any kind of a bump. I
    don't get any of this hopping with my RC10 on the same course. While
    the RC10 is a heaver/more expensive car, is there anything that
    can be done to make the ride in the hopper smoother?
    
    
    /chris
    
                                                       
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206.2I do!INTRPD::SHATARASun Jun 28 1987 18:555
    I already have oil filled shocks......any other ideas.  Could I
    have too much oil in the shocks?
    
    /chris
    
206.3HOMBRE::DAUGHERTYMon Jun 29 1987 10:5315
	Like alot of people, my son and I started with a Hornet.
	I've spent a little time on dirt but don't claim to
	know a great deal about offroading.

	There are some inherent problems with the Hornet that
	you may not be able to fix. The biggest problem is 
	unsprung weight. I don't believe there is any way to get
	around the fact that the rear suspension carries the trans-
	mission and motor. The best shocks made might help, but
	the car will never handle bumps like your RC10. You can
	easily put twice the money the car cost into upgrades and
	not be happy with the results. 

	Chris

206.4NO AIR ALLOWEDSCRAWL::COMINSMon Jun 29 1987 13:559
	Any shock should be completely filled with oil.  You can change
    the weight (viscocity) of the oil in the shock, but there should
    be NO air in the shock.
    
    Can you adjust the spring tension (coils over the shocks)?  I've
    found that less tension on the spring helps when the car bounces.
    
    Todd
    
206.5Unsprung weightCTHULU::YERAZUNISVAXstation Repo ManMon Jun 29 1987 17:1512
    It's the unsprung weight that's killing you.  Because the inertia
    of the motor/trans is high, it continues moving up even when the
    bump is long past... 
    	
    No real way to fix it, except to buy a Frog... :-(
    	
    Going to VERY soft springs in the rear (just barely enough to keep
    the vehicle halfway up the shocks) might help a little. 
    	
    Note that the unsprung weight is asymmetrical, since the motor is
    offset to one side.  Lose, lose.
    
206.6Live AxleNORDIC::COLBURNMon Jun 29 1987 17:188
    It hops because you have a live axle for the rear suspension
    Both the Grasshopper and Hornet have a live axle so the whole back
    end squats when you hit a bump or dip.You should have bought a Frog
    which for my money is the best entry level kit on the market for
    under $100,and it has 4-wheel independent suspension.
    
    
    						Kevin
206.7EARTH::SCANTLENTue Jun 30 1987 13:078
    I believe the hornet's rear shocks allow the use of inserts in the
    shock assembly that effectively stiffen or soften the 'shock'. 
    These are used depending on the terrain at hand.  One solution might
    be to configure a spare set of shocks for the expected terrain,
    and substitute accordingly.
    
    			-Mike
    
206.8inserts = pistonsSCRAWL::COMINSTue Jun 30 1987 17:219
    In my Kyosho shocks the 'inserts' referred to in .7 are called the
    shock piston.  Three pistons come with each shock.  The difference
    in the pistons is that they have varying numbers of notches in them
    that allow different amounts of oil to pass by.  This controls the
    rate the shocks can be compressed/decompressed.  I haven't experimented
    with them yet (I have been very happy with the current setup).
    
    Todd
    
206.9for all the help.INTRPD::SHATARAWed Jul 01 1987 22:4814
    Thanks for all the help.  I have added weight to the rear axle and
    this help alot.  I am also adding wight to the mid section.  The
    car doesn't ip at the stest turn now.
    
    I will be experimenting with putting a spr on the tab which extends
    from the box toward the front of the car.  A new rockbuster wter,
    which this time is a hornet clone has this feature.  This should
    dampen the gearcase from hopping.
    
    
    Thanks for all the suggestions.
    
    /chris
    
206.1018550::TENETThu Jul 02 1987 14:514
    Why don't you buy the hop up kit that they sell for the rockbuster?
    I think it comes with a larger engine,new shocks and sway bars.
    
    						Tom
206.11BUSTER HOP UP KIT?INTRPD::SHATARAFri Jul 03 1987 10:065
    I haven't seen the hop up kit for the rockbuster.  Is it available
    locally?   The hop up kit for the hopper only includes the 540 engine.
    
    /chris
    
206.12HOPPERSJUMBLY::FREELOVERWed Jun 19 1991 06:153
    
    FREELOVE