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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

1470.0. "SABOT SLUGS FOR MOOSE?" by OTOOA::LEBEN () Wed Oct 04 1995 17:06

    Hi all.  I know quite a few of you have ballistics books, etc., and can
    probably give me an educated answer to this.  In an earlier note I was
    going to purchase an 8mm rifle to use for moose season but the deal
    didn't come through.  I have a pump action shotgun with a rifled barrel 
    that I use Sabot slugs in for deer.  Can anyone tell me if this would
    be enough fire-power for moose?  I'm not trying to be cheap, but why   
    outlay $500 to $800 for another firearm if I don't have to?  I'd appreciate 
    any advice or inputs.
    
    Best regards,
                                                                     
    Rick
    
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1470.1shotgun/smokepole - same/samePOBOX::ROGERShard on the wind againWed Oct 04 1995 17:2413
    With a starting velocity of around 1600fps and a Ballistic coefficient
    that is not very stellar, you lose a lot of velocity past 100yds. With
    velocity gone, windage and projectile drop do ugly things to your
    reliable kill zone. And that is the operative issue.
    
    If you are willing to keep your hunting range in the 50 to 80yd maximum
    (remember this is a 1500lb moose), and you have the discipline for the
    "archery" shot (in the heart/lungs zone), why not use it? I face this
    same issue with my .54cal mountain rifle and it uses a 230gr (lighter)
    projectile with a worse yet BC (.059). Max range is 100yds ( I can if
    willing to accept the bruising, get to 1800fps)
    
    
1470.2SALEM::PAPPALARDOWed Oct 04 1995 18:369
    
    Look into the load data for the Remington Copper Sabots. I and many
    others have been shooting these particular sabots and have had excellent
    groupings (1-2" @ 100 yards) with fully rifled slug barrels mounted 
    with scopes. I also believe Remington's tables go out farther than 100
    yards on their load data for this ammo. As re.1 states you must keep in
    ming that using a shotgun will alter your shooting distance.
    
                                                           Guy 
1470.3What gauge???MSBCS::MERCIERFri Oct 06 1995 11:5716
    Everybody is mentioning ballistics but the author never mentioned what
    guage he is shooting!!! I would assume that it is a 12 guage which I
    believe is what everyone else is doing. If that's the case, a descent,
    rifled 12 guage with Sabot slugs should not have any problem under
    100 yrds as long as your shot placement is true (IMHO). Heart/Lung,
    spine, neck or head will take him down. The hydro shock caused by the
    slug alone will do severe damage on an animal that large. 
    
    Two of my last three deer were taken with a 12 gauge. I'm not saying
    there is a great comparison but neither traveled anywhere. On a side
    note, my girlfriends father just took a Moose on Monday with a .308.
    
    Can you say Moose Tenderloin ;^)
    Bob M�
    
    
1470.4Get a real moose gunOTOP89::"[email protected]"Tue Oct 17 1995 15:2313
If you are going to go to the expense and trouble of moose hunting get a gun 
that can get the job done. 

I have gone moose hunting for over 10 years, and let me tell you you do not 
want to be messing with a shotgun. This is not deer hunting, where most of 
the shootin is 50 yards or less. When you see your moose 300 yards down a 
swamp you will feel pertty silly standing there with a scatter gun. We have 
never shot a moose at less then 150 yards.

Go get a 30/06 or better and have a good hunt.

Les