[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

1381.0. "Help on training a Brittany to hunt (run)" by 3149::ALLEN_R () Thu Aug 25 1994 07:49

    
    My family has a Brittany Spaniel that is about a year old and came from
    a dual income home where it received no direction. Needless to say it
    has a lot of energy and pent up desire to run.  I think it would be
    nice to train it to hunt and bring it out to the woods and let it run
    now and again (biweekly?).  Obviously it has not been trained.  I
    would like to have my boys involved in this and was wondering if there
    is a good way to do this that requires very little money and scheduled
    time.  

    Any recommendations of books, classes, or contacts would be appreciated. 

    We are located in Auburn NH and anything would need to be close by as the 
    family is involved.

    BTW, I do not hunt and neither do the boys.  I did shoot a lot before I
    had an accident and I think the two boys (13 and 9) might enjoy hunting 
    but regardless I would take Petey out hunting to have him get out to run. 
    Maybe I would take my daughter (if she has an interest) and teach
    her how to shoot pictures.  She is becoming the primary handler of
    Petey anyway.  And she is developing an interest in taking pictures.

    rich allen

    PS. I live just down the road from Joe Hollen, who I'm sure some of you
    know.  (Haven't talked to him since the accident over a year ago, but I
    have seen him about in his yard and practicing with his bow :) .)
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
1381.128300::RICHARDJLiving With A Honky Tonk AttitudeThu Aug 25 1994 11:2347
    RE:0

    Rich,  because the dog is of a hunting breed and has lots of
    energy, does not mean it will make a good hunting dog. 

    This dog is a year old and has many bad habits that need to be stamped 
    out and this isn't easy, but it can be done. My brother got a English
    Springer Spaniel that was a year old and had come from  a negligent
    home. To this day, Spunky was the best hunting dog and family dog
    he ever had.

    The first thing you need to do is to get this dog under control,
    so this dog will not run off and will obey your commands. If you 
    think its tough now, its tougher out in the field when other hunters 
    and their dogs are out there with you. The first step I would take, is 
    that you keep this dog on a leash with you whenever you can. Take it 
    everywhere you go and teach it general obedience commands. You must feed 
    it and care for it yourself, so that it bonds itself to you and sees you 
    as its master. Start teaching it to retrieve. Start with short retrieves 
    and increase the amount. Also, you'll need to get the dog use to gun fire
    and there is a right way and a wrong way. Don't fire a gun over the
    dog's head to see if it is gun shy. This can cause a dog to become gun
    shy, whereas, if it had been done right, the dog would have been OK.
    I use to use two 2x4's that I would slap together as the dog picked up its 
    retrieve and increase the degree of loudness until it was use to a shotgun 
    going off. Take your time !  I would bring the dog to the gun club on trap 
    shooting  nights. At all times, make the experience a fun experience for 
    the dog. Give the dog lots of attention and he'll see the experience as 
    one of pleasure. Its best if you can find someone with gun dog training
    experience to help you.

    As far as your kids helping, only allow them to give the dog the same
    commands as you use, like "hup" for sitting, or "here" for come. Only
    allow them to walk the dog on a leash until you've gotten the dog under
    control. Don't allow them to take the dog into the woods. The dog will
    rather be allowed to run freely with them than to be with you yelling
    at it.


    The library has many good books on training gun dogs, but 
    nothing can replace the knowledge of an experienced trainer.
    There are some gun dog training schools around and this would 
    be a good thing.

    Good luck !

    Jim
1381.2The only way to hunt - over pointers.8827::KOOSERToo many hobbies. Too little time.Thu Aug 25 1994 13:4519
    Ditto: 1

    Work on the basic commands first like sit, come, stay, heel, and no.

    Progress to fetch, drop it (not all people use this command), whoa, up,
    kennel, scent recognition, pointing, ...

    Since Brittany's are pointers they tend to range a little further than
    flushers - this is fine as long as they hold when pointing. 
    Personally, 200 yds. is the max. I'll let my Vizsla range out. 
    Normally she works betweek 20 to 70 yards in front of me.  Also, when
    you have confidence in yor dog, let him do the hunting.  
    
    Just remember, it is going to take a lot of time.

    Good luck,

    Mark
    
1381.3I used Richard Wolters' book 'Gun Dog'20263::PUSHEEFri Aug 26 1994 13:4756
Rich,

Richard Wolters wrote a series of books about dog training.  One of
his earliest, 'Gun Dog' relates to pointing dogs.  I used that as
my primary text when I trained my Brittany.  His book is geared to
starting dogs when they are very young (3 months or even younger), so
you are a bit behind the curve here.  The earlier replies are correct
that you will have to modify some already learned behavior.

The only change that I would make to earlier recommendations is that
I would NOT work on retrieving yet.  With a pointing dog, the thing
that you want most if pointing.  If the dog will point then it can also
point dead.  Early retrieve training can interfere with pointing.  So, I
would do this (all with a long check cord on the dog):

  Lot's of praise when he does things right, start over when he
  doesn't.  Always try to set him up to succeed -- at least in
  the beginning.

  Work on the basic commands -- come, sit, stay, heel, and no.

  As part of the stay command, use the traffic cop hand signal for
  stop.  When the dog will obey stay using the voice and hand together,
  work up to just using the hand signal.

  Once you have the dog understanding and obeying come, and also the 
  stay hand signal, teach WHOA.  Put the dog in a stay, back off a
  way, give the come command and then use the command WHOA along with
  the hand signal for stay.  You want the dog to stop in his tracks
  on the WHOA command.

  With the WHOA command in place, you can move on to scent training.
  I used a small canvas dummy and grouse scent that I ordered from 
  Cabelas.  Put the scent liquid on the dummy, and tied it to the 
  end of a spinning rod.  Get the dog excited about the dummy, drag
  it around using the rod, get him to chase it -- but don't let him 
  catch it.  After a while, he will try to sneak up on it instead 
  of chase.  When he does, use the WHOA command -- voila, he is 
  pointing.  Arm yourself with a cap gun, and have your kid hold
  the dog's check cord while you walk to the dummy, kick at it, 
  flip it up in the air with the rod, and pop the cap gun.  After 
  it lands, tell the dog to get it.  Keep him under control on the
  cord so that you can get to him, praise him and get the dummy.

  What you want to really build in is the sense that he needs you
  to help him get the birds.  He uses his nose to find them, You
  make them fly and then fall where he can get them for you.
  
  Once he has the idea of pointing, you can then move on to having 
  him try to locate the dummy.  I used to have my son take the dog
  around the house while I cast the dummy into tall grass.  I would
  then call the dog over and send him to search it out by scent.  

 - Dave