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| 1303.1 | A good whitetail load | GLDOA::ROGERS | I'm the NRA | Tue Sep 28 1993 12:27 | 34 |
| This is the load that utilized the necked up .225win case to .264dia.
I use Reloder 15 (37.3gr) in an annealed case over a CCI 250 primer to
drive the Nosler 100gr Ballistic Tip bullet. Best group to date is
.8in at 100yd from the bench with a 4x scope. It is relatively easy to
get under 1.5in. Please use caution in working up to this load.
While this is not max (have gone to 38.4gr) in my gun, yours may be
different. The barrel is a 12.5in Shilen by SSK.
RANGE PATH VELOCITY ENERGY
0 -1.5 2625 1525
10 -1.0 2601 1501
20 -0.6 2577 1474
30 -0.2 2552 1445
40 0.1 2528 1419
50 0.4 2504 1392
60 0.6 2480 1365
70 0.8 2456 1340
80 0.9 2433 1315
90 1.0 2410 1290
100 1.0 2388 1266
110 0.9 2365 1242
120 0.8 2342 1218
130 0.6 2320 1195
140 0.4 2298 1172
150 0.0 2276 1150
160 -0.3 2253 1127
170 -0.8 2231 1105
180 -1.3 2210 1084
190 -1.9 2188 1063
200 -2.6 2166 1042
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| 1303.2 | | DNEAST::CURAVOO_GARY | CRUZN II | Wed Sep 29 1993 01:27 | 8 |
| I use a 12 inch 45/70 barrel with a torque tamer compensator
with 47.2 gr of 680 with a large rifle primer and 300 gr hollow point.
It devolps 1950 fps with the 300 gr hollow point and at 50 yd on
a rest I can get 1 inch groups. I also use 350 gr round noses but
they don't group as well and have considerable more recoil. I shot
a 220 lb bear at 15 yds with the hollw point and it was hard to find
much for lungs after it passed through.
gary c
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| 1303.3 | | SAHQ::NEWSHAM | James Newsham @ALF | Wed Sep 29 1993 07:12 | 15 |
| <<< Note 1303.2 by DNEAST::CURAVOO_GARY "CRUZN II" >>>
> I use a 12 inch 45/70 barrel with a torque tamer compensator
> with 47.2 gr of 680 with a large rifle primer and 300 gr hollow point.
> It devolps 1950 fps with the 300 gr hollow point and at 50 yd on
> a rest I can get 1 inch groups. I also use 350 gr round noses but
> they don't group as well and have considerable more recoil. I shot
> a 220 lb bear at 15 yds with the hollw point and it was hard to find
> much for lungs after it passed through.
gary c
A 45/70 in a 24" barrel is bad enough. I bet this mother packs
a wallop.......
Red
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| 1303.4 | 45/70 contender looking better | GLDOA::ROGERS | I'm the NRA | Wed Sep 29 1993 14:34 | 7 |
| Gary, you must be stockpilin, win680 cuz they don't make it any more.
I still have a bunch as I used to load 7.62x39 and nothin works better
than 680 there. I been thinkin abou the 45/70 and you have just added
another reason. Got to burn up the 5lbs of 680 don't you know.
/bob
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| 1303.5 | | DNEAST::CURAVOO_GARY | CRUZN II | Wed Sep 29 1993 22:52 | 2 |
| It sure is a hand full but I love it...............
gary c
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| 1303.6 | Quality | CSOA1::VANDENBARK | | Fri Oct 15 1993 09:35 | 17 |
| Bob,
I was recently reading a copy of "Guns and Hunting" and the author of
one of the articles toward the back did a rating of your exact gun. He
absolutely loved it. He said "In my opinion, this pistol/cartridge is
about as good as it gets for whitetails."
I have been wanting a contender for about 10 years, one of these days
I am going to break down and buy one. I also want one of their new
muzzleloading pistols, they are about the best around, according to the
articles that I have been reading. The author said he took it straight
out of the box and shot 2" groups at 50yards. He took it to Africa and
shot 7 animals without a single problem.....I know what I want for
Christmas!
Good luck
Wess
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| 1303.7 | | GLDOA::ROGERS | I'm the NRA | Wed Oct 27 1993 01:32 | 41 |
| Wess, I was demo'ing my Contender to a prospective client last weekend.
I was tagging clay pidgeons hung a tree at 140yds. I hit three for
three and he even hit one. He couldn't believe you could do that with a
handgun.
I plan to sell the gun for near cost and the ammo for $12.00 box/20.
Since the ammo deal is with exchange of brass (and 50cents more for
each missing case), and this is a wildcat, over time this will work out
very well. I stock this load so delivery is immediate.
I would like to find out which issue contained that article. I looked
in November and January. Can't find December anywhere. Bet that is
the one. Would appreciate if you could copy and drop in the mail. I
even send a SASE if you give me an address.
It is interesting how I arrived at the caliber/cartridge/gun. It
started with an exercise in ballistics on the Barnes software package.
I arbitrarily picked a 150yd zero with a 200 yd maximum and then wanted
1" or less deviation over 0-150yds. Since you cannot possibly hold a
handgun as steady as a rifle, I did not accept the traditional +/-
three inches. With that goal and another of 1000ft/lb at 200yds, I
went looking for the velocity and ballistic coefficient that could get
me there. One answer was 2550+fps and .350 B.C. Nothing like that in
commercial cartridges. When I started, no bullet was available that
worked on medium game either. Looked like a lost cause. Then Nosler
came out with the 100gr Ballistic tip as a medium game bullet. There
was no data on it when it came out. No B.C. or construction details.
But the Barnes projections said I could get to 2550fps with a 12in
barrel and a 100gr bullet. So I called Nosler and learned that the
bullet was designed to give the 6.5x55 Swede a flat shooting medium
game (deer) bullet. It expands reliably down to 1600fps and can be
driven up to about 3000fps while still retaining most of its mass. It
is also a solid base design. Nosler said B.C. was .350. It tested at
.352 corrected for 750ft altitude and 70deg F. With that bullet
available I ordered the barrel from SSK and started the project. The
end result is 2625fps and .8MOA (limited by optics,I'm sure). I'm
still not happy with the optics.
/bob
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| 1303.8 | | 34838::ROGERS | I'm the NRA | Sat Nov 20 1993 01:26 | 48 |
| In the previous reply, I had mentioned tht I was not happy with the
optics. I'm using a Propoint 30mm PDP2 on the Contender. I had
switched from a Tasco Pro-Class 1.25x4 power variable because you could
not see the reticle in poor light conditions. Well the PDP2 let me
down this past weekend.
I had entered a hunting area on the 2nd day of gun season where I had
done very little scouting. Because I have a bonus tag in the DMU I can
take either sex. After leaving the car and entering the woods, I had
decided to head east about 1/2mile still hunting and then turn south
for about 1mi and finally west back to the logging road. I planned to
take 3-4 hours to complete this. I was lucky to pick up a trail
immediately and this lead to a deep and dark cedar woods and finally to
a stream that was not on the topo map. I was considering turning south
early to avoid crossing the stream and entering what looked like a
swamp. Having made that decision, it is my habit to scan the area
before moving out. I do this with an 8X monocular.
Imagine my surprise to spot a deer looking right back at me when I
raised the monocular to the north. It was a very nice 6pt buck. I
lowered the mono and began my draw very slowly. It seemed to take
forever to clear 12.5in of contender barrel from the holster. The buck
was 40yds away and facing east. I had the gun out and muzzle up to
within 10deg of level when the buck had enough and began a sprint to
the cover. He had over 50yds to go and I was on him before he covered
10ft. BUT I could not find the damn dot! It took almost all of the
open space before I located the dot and swung it onto the shoulder.
I made the decision to fire a split second before the buck reached the
trees. In fact, I unconsciously began to check the swing and lift the
muzzle when the hammer fell and I KNOW the shot went behind and
slightly high. The dot does not have any lead-in like a reticule would
and the delay in finding it cost a perfect broadside shot.
There has got to be something better than this out there. Or maybe I
should take up IPSC (with a single shot Contender no less) to bone up
on point and shoot.
My buddy, in the debrief, said I should not have drawn at all. Just
keep looking back with the monocular until the buck's attention went
elsewhere. Then begin the draw and bop him when he wasn't lookin. At
forty yards I can hold a three inch group offhand or a .5in group using
a tree as a rest.
Any thoughts on the optical solution?
/bob
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