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Title: | The Hunting Notesfile |
Notice: | Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270 |
Moderator: | SALEM::PAPPALARDO |
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Created: | Wed Sep 02 1987 |
Last Modified: | Tue Jun 03 1997 |
Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
Number of topics: | 1561 |
Total number of notes: | 17784 |
1252.0. "NRA Hunters tour" by CHRLIE::HUSTON () Wed Mar 03 1993 13:23
How many others have been to the NRA North American hunters tour?
I know Rob has as well as myself.
They are doing 4 distinct tours throughout the country, the basic
subject matter depends on where in the country. In the NE for
example they say they are concentrating on bowhunting. Though it
said it was bowhunting, it wasn't, for the most part. Only one
speaker was bowhunting specific and that's simply becuase that
seems to be his weapon of choice. THe other two were "generic"
deer hunting.
Here's what I thought of it.
The way it is setup is fairly nice, though it was very crowded.
I went to the one in Manchester NH at the center of NH Holiday Inn.
There were two rooms, the first with a couple of tables you could
buy stuff from, and a wall full of INCREDIBLE deer heads. If I saw some
of these things wandering the woods, especially some of the
non-typical things, I would be afraid of them, the raw size of the
antlers. They had one non-typical that the base of his antlers
was 8 1/2 inches around.
Into show room we went. Before the show (doors open at 5, show starts
at 6:30), they had a film of many, many deer wandering around in
different country locations and seasons.
The speakers we had were:
Peter Fiducia (sp?) -- talked about calling and rattling. He tried to
cram his 3 hour seminar into 45 minutes he said. Didn't get onto
calling that much, but did do some good stuff on rattling. told
several funny stories. Overall was the most fun to listen to.
Could have made it alittle better if he had shown film of
rattling in a buck. Was the only one who did not make use of
the movie screens.
Dr. James Kroll -- Well known biologist. Also a great show.
Seemed to really know his stuff (though I probably couldn't
tell if he didn't :-) ). Talked about the three schools of
deer managment (trophy, quality and numbers) and why most states
are shooting themselves in the foot by managing for numbers.
Talked about everything from habitat, food and genetics to
population and gave alot of examples. Including a place that
hired him to solve a "genetic problem" Avg deer taken the year
before he started was about 140 pounds. After he was done (he
didn't say how long), he had planted food, culled deer back,
disturbed the environment (cutting and burning), he showed some
of the "genetically inferior" bucks, they were huge. Had an
audience participation section, showed pictures of mostly yearling
bucks we gave the cull/no cull decision. Bucks were from short
spikes up to nice racks. All turned into very large bucks.
Chuck Adams -- To me his was the most looked forward to presentation
and was by far the biggest disappointment. Not to take anything
away from him, his record is incredible. It may have simply been
a matter of public speaking ability, but I got tired of looking
at a picture and him saying things like: "this is 1989, southern
Arizona, buck is 200 lbs outside spread of 28 inches" next picture.
After 45 minutes of this it got very boring. He only went into two
stories, both of which were pretty good. SHould have cut out alot
of the pictures and told more stories. He must have tons of them.
Overall it was a very fun night, worth the price of admission. If you
get a chance to go, go. If you have gone lets hear what went on at
yours, especially in the other parts of the country where the subject
matter and speakers are different.
--Bob
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1252.1 | | AIMHI::PAPPALARDO | | Thu Mar 04 1993 13:52 | 42 |
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I saw Dick Idol two years ago in Manchester, N.H. at the White-Tail Tour.
Dick's experience and method of "Patterning" Bucks was very interesting
and quite frankly I learned something.
I had the opportunity at a break in the show to talk with Dick. I asked
him why he doesn't hunt N.H./Maine. He said because it's to difficult
and to time consuming.
I heard than John Wootters (spelling?) has stated many times that
"Deer-Hunters from Northern New-England are very skilled
deer-hunters compared to the Rest of the Country. He has hunted in N.H.
many years ago one time and took a spike. The reason he feels we're
very-good is because, we unlike most parts of the country have to really
put in the time and effort, 90% of the time you could hunt 15 days
and not ever see a deer, if you did it probably was the only one you
would see.
Again though he doesn't hunt N.H./Maine.
Chuck Adams, and others are the same. How about George Klucky who lives
in N.H... He's the guy that makes hunting movies of himself and clients
hunting big-game all over the country. He's never taken a deer in his
home state. I've asked George twice why he hasn't made a white-tail
What am I getting at here. It's these guys who in 99% of the cases have
the money and most importantly the entire deer-season and some to hunt
anywhere in North-America and who are mostly guided. Noel Feather for
example has people scattered all over the mid-west looking for big
monster bucks. When one is found Noel is called and if he likes what he
sees he spends the entire season hunting.
Hell we all could do that.
These guys just make me laugh at some of the things they say and do.
I do respect them for what they've learned but I wonder how they would
do in N.H. or Maine's heavy fir forests where when a deer steps out of
the hemlock their really lost.
Rick
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1252.2 | Some do hunt here | CHRLIE::HUSTON | | Thu Mar 04 1993 14:23 | 21 |
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The first speaker, Peter FIducia, the one who talked about calling
is from NY and says he has hunted alot in NY, Vt, NH and Maine.
Says rattling/calling works in this area, but the biggest enemy of
rattline is yourself. You have to believe and have faith in it.
Alos, the more people around the less effective it is for you. The deer
will probably cross someone elses path the before you see em. This
happened to him his first time rattline in NY, another guy threatened
him, told him to shut up. Later he rattled some more, the guy was
just about to come shoot Peter, when an 8 pointer came crashing out
of the swamp, got his bearings and headed right for Peter, the other
guy shot him.
One thing Chuck Adams said, I heard a few comments about it, was
that some of these hunts are cheap, you could do them for $2000.
doesn't sound cheap to me.
--Bob
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1252.3 | | SA1794::CHARBONND | I prefer the term 'hobo.' | Tue Mar 09 1993 07:43 | 3 |
| yep, with enough money (and time!) you could hunt Texas every
year and take a good buck. Guess if you make your money writing,
you need to spend some money _getting_ something to write about.
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1252.4 | NRA Hunters Tour WA. | NWD002::MURPHYRO | | Mon Mar 15 1993 14:06 | 29 |
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I had the opportunity to attend the March 7th show in Spokane,Wa.
I can't say I was to impressed with the show. The trade show area
had an NRA membership sign up, an NRA book/video sales area, a Rocky
Mt Elk Foundation FYI booth, and the Whitetail Exhibit. Pretty bleak in
my mind. The 3 speaker format in 3 hrs as a general session was okay.
It sure seemed like the speakers had never presented to a group before
or that they were given very little prep time and a lot a leeway in
choosing a topic for discussion. Presentation skills need work!
Our sessions dealt with 1) bow hunting in the west, from a generic
perspective. Talked to the various animals that can be hunted/ could
be hunted if the antis hadn't prevented a season ie Colorado/bear.
2)An outfitter/ writer etc from Elko, NV. talked of hunting mule/
whitetail with a bow. Had good footage of Dwight Schue (sp). This was a
good talk. 3) Calling Elk was the 3rd session. Focused on the various
styles and types of calls. Probably the best session.
Overall, I think the NRA is using this as a membership drive. People
who attended and were not NRA members could credit the $12 entry fee
toward a 1 year membership. Jr's became automatic members. The obvious
cry for more support, which is needed, was heard. I felt more could
have been done to provide attendees with the verbage needed to go back out
and fight the gun cause, ie. handouts detailing issues to be addressed
in letters to Congress etc. Hunters as a whole tend to be independent
people pursuing what can be considered an individual sport. If we
continue to sit back as passsive independent/hunters we will not have a
sport to pursue. This message was delivered by all the speakers in
their own style.
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1252.5 | How about this years tour?? | CHRLIE::HUSTON | | Fri Jan 07 1994 12:58 | 11 |
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Has anyone in the North East had a chance to hit this years
tour? I am wondering if it is worth braving the snow for it
tonight in Manchester. Can anyone tell me who the speakers are
and what the subject matter is? If it is identicle to last years
then I will pass and spend the night infront of the wood stove,
watching movies with the family. (Very cozy way to wait out 12+
inches of snow!)
--Bob
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