Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

	It's time to put our foot down and squawsh these SOBs.

	Don't they have anything better to do?

	I'm really getting tired of this crap.

	Jim

Would you please post the base note in the Colorado conference, or
give me permission to do so?

Thanks,

Jerry

    
    RE: 0
    
    
    Your note said easily passed.  What passed? Banning the hunt or passing
    the ballot?
    
    Rick
    

>>                    <<< Note 1233.3 by AIMHI::PAPPALARDO >>>
>>                         -< Can you be more specific? >-

    
>>    RE: 0
    
>>    
>>    Your note said easily passed.  What passed? Banning the hunt or passing
>>    the ballot?
    
    Rick,

The issue, known as Amendment 10, specifically bans spring bear hunting,
hunting bear over bait, and hunting bears with hounds.  I don't
remember the exact number, but it passed by a fairly wide margin.  That
is, it is now no longer legal in Colorado to hunt black bears in
the spring, or with dogs or over bait.

That is probably what is meant by "easily passed".

Jerry

    Anybody who is not a member of the NRA and hunts, I suggest you join
    now before it is to late.
    
    All to often people don't get overly concerned about hunting bans in
    other parts of the country, but we should.  As stated earlier, a little
    bit here, a little bit there, the next thing you know, your flying out
    of the country to go hunting.  I know who some of my friends are that
    are not members of the NRA, and they should join a.s.a.p.
    
    It's nice to know that the NRA is our voice in Washington.  Also, a
    personal challenge for everyone out there.  why not try and in
    conversation with others, present a positive, "clean" image of hunting,
    its importance in the balance of nature, etc.  Try and "convert" some
    people to pro choice and not anti hunting.  
    
    Just remember, it all begins with me, you, etc.
    
    

    Don't forget that one can support hunting without having to support the
    NRA.
    
    Mark.

    
    >Don't forget that one can support hunting without having to support the
    >NRA.
    
     I would answer that by saying that the hunters can no longer afford
    the luxury of the above attitude. NRA is the strongest ally that 
    hunters have. Hunters *must* support NRA, even though they may not
    agree with them (or should I say *us*) on everything. Hunters *must* 
    stand united or we will lose.......heck, we've already lost a few battles..
    ..we can't afford to lose any more. 
     So you don't want to own a military style rifle or a high capacity 
    pistol or shoot competition......hunters, collectors, target shooters,
    those who own guns for defence must all stand together or we will *all*
    lose our rights, one by one.
    
     To quote a famous American...
    "We must all hang together or we shall all hang separately !"
    
    Now I shall get off my soapbox.
    
    RG 
                 

    
    re .7
    
    Right on!!!
    
    re .6
    
    Sure you can, but they are the best organized and most powerful at
    protecting the heritage we know today.
    
    Kevin
    

    
    	re: .7   My sentiments excactly, that's why I re-joined after about
    three years of non-membership!  I think if you look at the "New
    NRA",  you'll like what you see...  

    re. last few:
    
    Perhaps I did a lousy job of stating my point.  First, I've been with the 
    NRA since 1980 and I'm signed up for the next 5 years.  So, as you can
    see, the NRA is *not* the issue.
    
    What I see as an issue is that we hunters are relying (soley) on the
    NRA to lobby our congresscritters and senators while ignoring those who
    are neutral or even pro-hunting.  These people do not hunt, but see the
    place that hunting has in wildlife management.  Some may even be
    hunters, but for their own reasons, do not see the need to be
    affiliated with the NRA or any organization.
    
    Preaching to these people that they have to join the NRA is ludicrous.
    RAther, ask them to write a letter to their rep or even to the editors
    of the local newspaper.
    
    Mark.

>    Preaching to these people that they have to join the NRA is ludicrous.

 Worse than that, it's not effective. We've gotta use all available means to
get our point across.

 And need I remind anyone how "member of the NRA" is used as an epithet
in the "mainstream" press? We need to show that we are much more than a
monolithic organization. The harder it is for them to pidgeonhole us,
the more difficult it will be for them to appeal to those with a bumper 
sticker mentality. No sense in making things easier for them.

    I haven't heard the results of the vote on the Arizona anti-hunting
    proposition.  Anybody know?
    
    Jon T.
    Colorado Springs

    re .12
    
    I didn't hear a report, nor did I find it in the paper.  Guess the 
    networks were too busy enjoying there election night orgasm over
    the Clinton's.
    
    However, after many futile attempts to find out the outcome of Prop.
    200, I phoned information in Arizona.
    
    Thankfully the thing failed.
    
    Scott.

    i live in arz and the prop did fail by a wide margin,the people who
    sponsered the prop cried about all the out of state financial help
    that we got to defete the prop so i guess they will be at it 
    again next year but the truth is that the good people of arz
    have good comman sense and voted the prop down if we dont stand
    together the animal rights terrorist will try to divide and conquer
    get off your butts people and join the NRA or you or your kids
    can kiss hunting goodbye.sorry about the soapboxing,sore subject with
    me. 

    Failed by a wide margin??  I was in Az during the voting period, but
    didn't see the final results.  It seemed that the early returns had it
    52% - 48%, do you have the final numbers?
    
    ALL of the people I talked with (Phoenix/Tempe/Chandler) were very much
    against it, not just from the hunting aspect but just the idea that
    someone was trying to dictate to them what they could or couldn't do.
    
    I think the commercials on TV showing the skunks and mice and rats
    being protected helped quite a bit.....

    if memory serves it was more like 60-40 i might be wrong but thats
    pretty close, yes the people i talked to were against it; all most
    all the people on 2nd shift here in tempe that i taked to hunters
    and nonhunters included , i spoted more bumper stickers against
    this one prop than any other,only a handfull of pro stickers
    iam just glad it did not pass.
    
                             mark.