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| 1224.1 | Vermont deer | BTOVT::WENER_R | | Wed Nov 25 1992 15:51 | 9 |
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evening treestand - 5 bow
morning ground sitting - 2 rifle (both clear and cold)
stillhunting - 2 (one rifle, one bow)
snow tracking - 1 rifle
- Rob
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| 1224.2 | don't remember the weather | KNGBUD::LAFOSSE | | Sat Nov 28 1992 12:04 | 12 |
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morning treestand 2 arch
evening treestand 4 arch
morning ground std 2 rifle
evening ground std 2 bow
ground blind AM/PM 0
stillhunting 1 rifle
stalking (evening) 1 bow
now, if we included misses... ;^) hmmmm let me see
Fra
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| 1224.3 | Don't like to sit | BTOVT::MOULTROUP | | Mon Nov 30 1992 06:49 | 9 |
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still hunting 15 rifle (14 buck, 1 doe)
snow tracking 12 rifle (all buck)
shot anywhere from 6:50 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. but most between 10 and 2.
Most of the ones shot while tracking were shot in New York or Maine
were there is little hunting pressure.
Bruce
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| 1224.4 | | GIAMEM::J_AMBERSON | | Mon Nov 30 1992 08:50 | 7 |
| still hunting 5 rifle (2 buck, 3 doe)
stand hunting 5 rifle (3 buck, 2 doe)
1 bow (buck)
Shot during all hours of the day.
Jeff
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| 1224.5 | my tallies for my 15 years of hunting | UNYEM::GEIBELL | DIAMOND J CHARTERS | Mon Nov 30 1992 10:07 | 29 |
|
well after trying to remember all the tags I think this is acurate
but I will double check all my tags tonight to verify.
Archery: Stand hunting evening- 8 4 does 4 bucks (6 were taken
on oct 16 th within 6:00 and
6:10 pm)
Stand hunting morning- 3 All does
Ground stand - 1 doe
Gun: Stand hunting morning : 5 4 bucks 1 doe
Stand hunting evening : 1 buck
Walking/ still hunting: 4 all doe all in the morning
Well I guess thats it.
Lee
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| 1224.6 | am I ever going to get #2? | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | Animal Magnetism | Mon Nov 30 1992 12:38 | 1 |
| stillhunting, shotgun w/ slug 1 buck
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| 1224.7 | | GIAMEM::LEFEBVRE | PCG Product Management | Mon Nov 30 1992 12:54 | 8 |
| Still hunting - 1 (185 lb buck) rifle, 3:30 pm.
Stand hunting - 2 (150 lb buck - shotgun, 7:30 am, 101 lb buck -
shotgun, 4:00 pm).
Watching father gut his deer :^) - 1 (120 lb doe, 8:00 am)
Mark.
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| 1224.8 | here's mine.... | BTOVT::MORONG | | Mon Nov 30 1992 12:57 | 13 |
| Total in 16 years of hunting.....
afternoon stand - 1 (doe)
morning stand - 2 (bucks)
morning still hunt - 1 (buck)
afternoon still hunt - 2 (buck)
morning nature call - 1 (buck) ** yep, was still hunting,
answered natures call, lean-
ed against tree, with pants
at my knees. Is this called
"lean" hunting?? ;-)
-Ron-
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| 1224.9 | GA stats | ODIXIE::RHARRIS | The deerhuntermeistersupreme | Mon Nov 30 1992 13:00 | 12 |
| ground stand (morning) 2 deer (1buttonhead, 1 doe)
ground stand (evening) 1 doe
tree stand 8 ft high (morning) 2 deer (8pointer, doe)***
Tree stand evening 0
8 pointer and doe harvested from same tree stand, exact same time of
day, seven days apart. Traveling in same direction.
fwiw
bob
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| 1224.10 | | BTOVT::WENER_R | | Tue Dec 01 1992 08:05 | 7 |
|
I forgot to mention... can't do much with raw statistics, so when
it looks like everyone who wants to enter has done so (I'll give it
a couple of weeks), I'll tally the results. so far it looks like it
might be quite interesting. Keep them coming!
- Rob
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| 1224.11 | | CSOA1::VANDENBARK | | Tue Dec 01 1992 11:35 | 22 |
| Well, I guess I'll throw my report in. Over the last 15 years here are
the results.
Archery: treestand- - - - - - 1 doe, 1 spike (both evening)
ground blind- - - - 1 buck, 7 pointer (morning)
ground stalk- - - - 1 buck, 8 pointer (morning)
still hunting- - - - 1 buck, spike (evening)
Flintlock: Ground blind- - - - 2 bucks, 7point and button buck (AM)
Stillhunting- - - - 2 bucks, 5point and spike (pm, am)
30-06: Ground blind- - - - 1 buck 7point (evening)
treestand- - - - - - 2 bucks 8pointers (evening , noon)
stillhunting- - - - 7 bucks spike-8point (all times)
stillhunting- - - - 2 does (evening)
Slug: Ground blind- - - - 1 buck 6 point (morning)
Good Luck
Wess
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| 1224.12 | Total Deer Harvest | ODIXIE::SHADDIX | | Tue Dec 01 1992 12:35 | 24 |
| All deer listed were taken by rifle.
Year Sex Method
72 doe ground
82 9pt treestand
83 3pt "
84 7pt "
85 ---
86 spike "
87 4pt "
88 doe "
89 spike ground
90 4pt treestand
90 doe ground
91 ---
92 button treestand
buck
92 8pt treestand
Thats all for now, but the season isn't over yet
Earl
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| 1224.13 | DEER HARVEST | WMOIS::FLETCHER_A | WMOIS::A_FLETCHER DTN 241-3084 | Tue Dec 01 1992 13:17 | 11 |
| TREESTAND-BOW---2
TREESTAND-RIFLE-2
STILL HUNT-BOW--1
STILL RIFLE----14
MASS-----------5
VT.-----------10
N.H.-----------4
TOTAL-----19
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| 1224.14 | yea, no, well, maybe | MTADMS::PAUL_M | | Tue Dec 01 1992 14:18 | 12 |
| Tree stand, archery --- 3
(2 doe's 1 botton buck)
Ground stand, archery - 2
(1 doe, 1 8 point buck)
Still hunt, archery --- 1
( 4 point buck)
Still hunt, rifle --- 1
( 8 point buck)
That all, till Friday (maybe some snow a-coming :>))
Mike
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| 1224.15 | Still waiting for #2,3,4... | ESKIMO::RINELLA | | Tue Dec 01 1992 14:25 | 8 |
|
After @ten years of hunting and alot of close calls, here is my list..
Ground Stand/ Bow Hunting/ Pa. 7:30am =======> 1 Spike
Gus
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| 1224.16 | I did not think I would remember the times, but what memories this list generated!!!!! | CSC32::J_PEDERSEN | Please Pass the Patience | Tue Dec 01 1992 14:55 | 23 |
| Iowa
Bow - Tree Stand (AM) 6 pt Buck
Bow - Tree Stand (PM) Spike Buck
Bow - Tree Stand (PM) Doe
Bow - Tree Stand (PM) 8 pt Buck
Bow - Tree Stand (AM) 10 pt Buck
Bow - Tree Stand (PM) Button Buck
Bow - Tree Stand (AM) 3 pt Buck
Bow - Tree Stand (PM) 7 pt Buck
Bow - Tree Stand (PM) Spike Buck
Bow - Still Hunting (Noon) 4 pt Buck
Colorado
Bow - Still Hunting (PM) Doe
Bow - Still Hunting (PM) Doe
Bow - Still Hunting (AM) Doe
Bow - Still Hunting (PM) Spike Buck
Bow - Still Hunting (PM) 3x3 Buck
Bow - Still Hunting (AM) 2x3 Buck
Rifle - Still Hunting (AM) 2x2 Buck
Rifle - Still Hunting (AM) 2x3 Buck
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| 1224.17 | | ODIXIE::RHARRIS | The deerhuntermeistersupreme | Tue Dec 01 1992 16:16 | 6 |
| re.15, now that is a true hunter! Persistence. I admire you.
bob
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| 1224.18 | here's my $.02 worth | DATABS::STORM | | Tue Dec 01 1992 16:40 | 7 |
| I haven't had a lot of success in this department, but here's mine:
1st deer: Archery - a.m. treestand - doe (150 pounds)
shotgun - a.m. groundstand - 8pt
Mark,
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| 1224.19 | Heres a couple more | BTOVT::SEARS_A | Welcome to Vermont, now leave | Wed Dec 02 1992 07:38 | 8 |
|
Still hunting - 2 Buck and 1 Doe
Tracking - 1 Buck
Not a lot of success, but I'm still learning.
Al
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| 1224.20 | | BTOVT::WENER_R | | Wed Dec 02 1992 08:11 | 3 |
|
re: .4 Jeff, were your stand deer taken from ground stand or a
treestand?
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| 1224.21 | | BTOVT::WENER_R | | Wed Dec 02 1992 08:16 | 10 |
|
Also, Lee, is that true for you too? I'd like to seperate ground
stand from tree stand. So far, it is somewhat surprising in the rifle
department from the first several entries most appear to be from
stillhunting. and seeing as how I got lucky last weekend, I need to
add another:
1 buck, rifle stillhunting.
good luck to those of you still at it! - Rob
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| 1224.22 | | GIAMEM::J_AMBERSON | | Wed Dec 02 1992 08:37 | 7 |
| Rob,
The bow deer was taken from a tree stand, all the others from the
ground. Also two of the deer I listed as "rifle" and still hunting
were actually shotgun kills (slug, buck, slug, slug, slug).
Jeff (who hopes to be able to add at least one more this year)
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| 1224.23 | Here's how I did it! | LUNER::MERCIER | | Wed Dec 02 1992 10:12 | 16 |
| Here's mine
still hunting doe New Hampshire
still hunting buck 9 pointer Maine
still hunting buck 4 pointer Pennsylvania
still hunting buck spike Massachusetts
ground stand doe Massachusetts
I figure if the Good Lord wanted me in a tree he would have given me
feathers. Hate heights!!!
It looks as though I'm regressing 9, 4, 2, bald. I'll change that this
Saturday hopefully with a big 10 pointer that has been seen carousing
behind my parents place ;^)
Bob M �
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| 1224.24 | | CSC32::G_ROBERTS | when the bullet hits the bone | Wed Dec 02 1992 11:39 | 7 |
|
My count from Colorado, all by rifle:
still hunting 6 bucks, 4 3x3's, 1 2x2, and 1 spike
still hunting 7 does
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| 1224.25 | all Colorado | GENRAL::WADE | His hair was perfect... | Wed Dec 02 1992 13:27 | 8 |
|
All rifle: still hunting - 3 (1 doe AM, 1 doe PM, 1 buck AM)
ground stand - 1 (buck, AM)
and if you want, 1 cow (technically) elk, still hunting
in the AM
Clay
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| 1224.26 | My success data. | BTOVT::RIVERS_W | | Wed Dec 02 1992 13:50 | 20 |
| Here are mine:
Bow:
1 doe tree stand PM
Rifle:
2 still hunting, both bucks, both AM
3 ground stand, 2 bucks/1 doe, 2 AM/1 PM
4 tree stand, 3 bucks/1 doe(with horns), 3 AM/1 PM
When this data is all compiled, it should be interesting.
Bill
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| 1224.27 | Quabbin bound in 2 days!!!!!! | ESKIMO::BING | | Wed Dec 02 1992 14:45 | 8 |
|
Since I just added one to the list here are mine.
Shotgun:
1 doe tree stand AM
1 Buck Ground blind AM
Walt
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| 1224.28 | ?? | KNGBUD::LAFOSSE | | Wed Dec 02 1992 16:49 | 13 |
| not that it really matters, but are you guys differentiating between
ground stands and ground blinds?... i'm not sure what kind of info Rob's
looking for, so maybe it dosn't make any difference anyway...
I consider any kind of cover you used to conceal yourself to be a blind,
broken branches, netting, pine boughs (dead of alive), versus just
sitting or standing in the open or against a tree...
May be another interesting fact to come out of all this...
FWIW,
Fra
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| 1224.29 | | STRATA::BING | Politicians prefer unarmed peasents | Wed Dec 02 1992 17:44 | 13 |
|
Good point Fra,
Monday morning I sat under a pine with no other cover other than
a couple branches on my right. The wind was from left to right
and the deer came out on my left. So wind was from him to me. I saw
him and raised my gun, he then looked right at me and walked out from
behind the bush. The rest is history.
i also did not use any cover scent or attractor scents. Three things were
in my favor, the wind , the fact that i saw him first and was able to
raise my gun without him seeing me and lady luck was with me.
Walt
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| 1224.30 | more info that was requested | UNYEM::GEIBELL | DIAMOND J CHARTERS | Thu Dec 03 1992 07:54 | 22 |
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re: .21
the archery deer from a stand were taken from tree stands
the archery deer from the ground was kind of a ground blind but
a pretty poor one at that ( about 3 broken branches stuck in the
ground in front of me)
the deer taken with a gun were all taken from my 42 foot high
tree stand except for the 1 doe. that tree stand was my
favorite stand, and for some reason I never had any problems
with anyone getting in my tree stand.????go figure
Lee
I cant wait till sat, then it will take forever for the 14th.
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| 1224.31 | | BTOVT::WENER_R | | Thu Dec 03 1992 08:09 | 21 |
|
Thanks for the added info Lee and Jeff. Fra, I guess I wasn't at
first too concerned with ground stand vs. ground blind, especially
where rifle hunting is concerned because of the normally greater shot
distances. I am very much interested though, as you probably all
are on the difference between tree stand and ground stand. I'll try
to slice this data as many ways as it appears to me that it'll be
meaningful. I can see right now that the treestand for bowhunting
is far and away the most used method for successfully getting your
deer with a bow. Hint, Hint, for all you hunters out there who
either haven't scored or have had spotty success with other methods
for bowhunting - here's the data to support everyone's theory's.
I'll post the results in another week or so, just to give
people who may be on vacation deer hunting or whatever to enter in.
Remember, the more data, the more statistically meaningful the results
are! Also, if you guys want to see it sliced a certain way, either
have at it, or let me know. I'd like to see that everyone can walk
away from this with something.
- Rob
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| 1224.32 | | CSC32::J_HENSON | Faster than a speeding ticket | Thu Dec 03 1992 10:05 | 37 |
| Seems to me that breaking everything down between stand hunting and
still hunting is a bit misleading. Even making the distinction between
ground blinds and tree blinds doesn't really tell the whole picture.
For example, I grew up hunting whitetails in West Texas. What passes
for a tree there would hardly be considered a healthy bush in the
heavily wooded northeast. The country I hunted consisted of long,
fairly shallow canyons (maybe 200-300 yards from rim to bottom). One
of our more productive hunting methods was to walk the rims and
throw rocks (or roll the bigger ones) into the canyon bottoms. If
deer were down this, this would spook them and we'd get a shot.
I don't consider this still hunting, but don't really have a name
for it.
And, I've killed deer from the road. I know, some will frown on
it, but let me explain. Several times, while on private land, on
private roads, while driving to a hunting area, we would catch deer
in the open. As we were in our legal hunting area, we weren't about
to watch them run off. We weren't really road hunting, but we were
definitely close to the road when we took the deer.
Also, just exactly what consitutes still hunting. My idea of still
hunting is playing like Daniel Boone and slowly working through the
woods. However, I've taken several deer by just walking them up.
For example, several years ago in northern Utah, I was walking across
a sage brush flat on my way to a ridge I wanted to hunt when up
jumped a 2 pt. buck about 50 yards away. I personally don't
consider this still hunting, but maybe it is.
Anyway, to add to the count, I've taken 13 or 14 bucks over the years.
One was taken while I was on stand and someone drove it to me. The
rest were either walked up or spotted from the road.
Jerry
P.S. This doesn't include the one I bagged with my '69 Ford. Do
we need a separate category for this? ;-)
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| 1224.33 | | AIMHI::PAPPALARDO | | Thu Dec 03 1992 11:41 | 15 |
|
Ground stand - 5 bucks
still hunting - 1 buck
1 doe
All taken between 7am - 7:30am
Average # of deer seen per year and either let go or poor shot
opportunity is 14
12 on ground stand 2 still hunting.
Rick
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| 1224.34 | mostly still hunts for me | SASE::BUZYNSKI | | Thu Dec 03 1992 12:13 | 16 |
| Rifle:
Still =15 7 buck, 8 doe
Stand = 3 1 buck, 2 doe
Deer shot at all times of the day.
Bow = 0 1st year at it
Discovered a couple hanging out behind my house a couple of weeks ago.
Drew on a 4pt twice the othe night but he always managed to be behind
brush when I was ready.
John
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| 1224.35 | Quabbin deer | EMDS::BUTLER | | Thu Dec 03 1992 13:17 | 10 |
|
Shotgun:
1st stand/deadfall clear/cold = 1 doe @ noon
2nd stand/ground fog/mild = 1 doe @ 2pm
3rd stand/deadfall clear/mild = 1st buck 9pts @ 9am
Kevin
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| 1224.36 | | BTOVT::WENER_R | | Thu Dec 03 1992 14:35 | 22 |
|
re: .32
Jerry, I understand that there will be some discrepancies with
actual hunting technique when lumped into a category. I'm still not
sure where to put Mark's doe he shot while helping gut his father's
deer, or Ron's buck he shot while taking a dump :') !! I guess
my definition of "stillhunting" is whereby one walks through the woods
(slow or fast, doesn't matter to me, just the fact that you're on your
feet moving), and attempts to either jump a deer or see one before it
sees him.
Also, I guess I've failed to realize regional differences here.
Living in my own little world of the northeast, the difference between
tree stands and ground blinds is quite significant. You guys in
Texas can use the term "elevated platform" for your tripods if you'd
like, but I'd still classify them as your basic "treestand" because
the intent is the same. I've hunted tangled messes in draws in the
northeast by throwing sticks and rocks into them, so if that's the
way you got them, then go ahead and state it.
- Rob
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| 1224.37 | Next method | CSOA1::VANDENBARK | | Thu Dec 03 1992 16:17 | 6 |
| Speaking of throwing stuff down the draw to spook them out, I could try
my Mother-in-law, she could definitely ugly them out!
I might have to try that during muzzleloading season?
Wess
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| 1224.38 | Only a few more "buttons" for a whole shirt! | BRUTUS::BETTENCOURT | th'moreIknowth'lessIunderstand | Thu Dec 03 1992 16:59 | 20 |
|
Some input from a "read only" noter.
Total kill 3 button heads in PA. All archery kills.
1 still hunt in AM (8 am)
1 tree stand in PM (6pm)
1 ground blind near farm (6pm).
When you've only got 3 in last 10 years of hunting you can still
remember the time of day as well!! The three have been in the last 4
years so I must be getting better.
Still a virgin with a gun tho (sigh). Maybe this weekend in Mass or
Mass muzzloading will break the spell.
Michael
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| 1224.44 | wanted one Buck | MTADMS::GALLO | | Fri Dec 04 1992 08:24 | 17 |
|
tree stand 1 doe 5.00 p.m
still hunting 1 doe 7.00 a.m
stand 1 doe 11.30 a.m
stand 1 doe 3.00 p.m
buck fever 2 times 0 bucks
May be next year
Mike G.
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| 1224.39 | | CRISTA::DUKELOW | Keith | Fri Dec 04 1992 09:36 | 13 |
| ================================================================================
Note 1224.39 Deer hunting methods survey 39 of 39
CRISTA::DUKELOW "Keith" 8 lines 4-DEC-1992 09:26
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(All taken with rifle)
Tree stand (early a.m.) - (2) button buck,5 ptr.
Gnd stand (early a.m.) - (3) button,5 ptr.,doe
Gnd stand (2:45 p.m.) - (1) 8 ptr.
note- I had just left my gnd stand (10 yards away) when I got the 8
ptr. but will leave it in that catagory anyway. KRD
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| 1224.40 | PLEASE SNOW | LMOADM::MEAGHER | | Fri Dec 04 1992 10:45 | 14 |
|
I CAN'T SIIT STILL!!
MAINE: STILL HUNTING- 7 BUCKS
3 DOES
RELEIVING MYSELF 1 BUCK
MASS: STILL HUNTING- 5 BUCKS
2 DOES
MAINE DEER: 7MM RIFLE
MASS: 12GA SLUG
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| 1224.41 | I like moving... | JANVAX::NERL | John Nerl | Fri Dec 04 1992 12:32 | 8 |
| Another "read only" entry
Ground stand - 1 spike - 140 lbs - PA
Still Hunting - 1 4 pointer - 236 lbs - NH
1 5 pointer - 151 lbs - NH
All taken with rifle.
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| 1224.42 | our fair share | OFSITE::OKEEFE | | Fri Dec 04 1992 13:18 | 25 |
|
Nova Scotia;
ground stand; 5 bucks 8 does all bucks before 9:00am
still hunting; 3 bucks 3 does all hours
all w/ rifle
Quabbin;
ground stand; 2 bucks 1 doe all before 9:30am
Western MA
ground stand; 3 bucks 1 doe(bow) 2 bucks in am, rest late pm
still hunting; 2 does mid morning
all MA deer w/shotgun(slugs only) except as above
Relax, these aren't all my kills (I wish). The MA deer were taken by
myself and 5 friends, the N.S. deer were taken by hunting parties of 8
over the last 5yrs.
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| 1224.43 | | HEFTY::CHARBONND | Sacred cow? Let's barbecue! | Sun Dec 06 1992 22:44 | 8 |
| two deer by archery, one buck and one doe, both from treestands.
(I've _missed_ many more, both from treestands and the ground.)
Two bucks by gun, both from the ground, stillhunting. Actually,
they both walked in on me, my stillhunting skills are limited
at best. Both were taken on opening day, early in the morning.
dana
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| 1224.45 | Great luck in a first attempt | CXDOCS::HELMREICH | | Tue Dec 08 1992 19:20 | 19 |
|
Year: 1992 - the first season I ever went hunting (for anything)
How/ 6:45AM, seen from our vehicle, about 75 yards away across a ridge.
When: This was the 3rd and last day of buck season.
What: I got a 2-point Mule deer, and my partner got a 4x3 Mulie.
Other: We were scouting the area we were going to hike (near Salida, CO), and
saw two bucks next to each other on a ridge, staring at our vehicle.
They were not spooked by the truck or the people quickly mobilizing to
get out of it. ;-) The bucks literally stood there waiting to get
shot!
Steve
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| 1224.46 | Whitetail only results | BTOVT::WENER_R | | Wed Dec 09 1992 11:04 | 73 |
|
First off, I'd like to say thanks to everyone for entering all their
experiences. I know for me, it helped to relive some memories that
happened some years ago.
Also, I'd like to mention how I went about compiling the data. I've
not used the Mule deer data from you folks out in the Rockies, these
results will be for whitetails only to start with. In another reply
I can compile the mule deer info. I have lumped does and bucks in
all categories for the first pass, and have not made reference to
time of day for the various methods. Many responses included this
information, however, many did not. This is ok by me, as my main
interest is in direct methodology. I may try to break out bucks and
does and time of day when I get some extra time to analyze the data
more.
so, for a first pass, here's how Deccies shoot their whitetails:
ALL DEER, ALL WEAPONS -- total whitetails taken = 281
method # taken % of total
------ --------- ------------
treestand 75 26.6
ground stand 73 25.9
stillhunting 114 40.5
stalking 2 .7
tracking 14 4.9
gutting,nature call 3 1.1
As a side note on this, it looks like it's about as effective to
try to take a deer while taking a dump as it is to try to stalk a
deer. :') MEGA KUDOS for you stalkers!!
PRIMITIVE WEAPONS - (ARCHERY, MUZZLELOADER)
total whitetails taken = 64
method # taken % of total
------- -------- ----------
treestand 44 68.8
groundstand 10 15.6
stillhunting 8 12.5
stalking 2 3.1
These numbers speak for themselves!!! Additionally, the number of
evening treestand deer taken is 35, which is 54.6 % of the total !!
MODERN WEAPONS - (RIFLE, SHOTGUN)
total whitetails taken = 217
Method # taken % of total
------- ------- ----------
treestand 31 14.3
groundstand 63 29.4
stillhunting 106 49.5
tracking 14 6.5
gutting, nature call 3 1.4
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| 1224.47 | | ODIXIE::RHARRIS | The deerhuntermeistersupreme | Wed Dec 09 1992 11:10 | 5 |
| But your odds double if you are stalking and have to do the nature call
thing.
bob
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| 1224.48 | | GIAMEM::J_AMBERSON | | Wed Dec 09 1992 12:12 | 7 |
| I think to fully understand the data you would have to factor in what
percentage of a hunters time in the woods is spent in a tree, in a
ground blind, stalking, etc. This combined with the number of deer
taken by each method would give you a truer projection of what methods
are most effective.
Jeff
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| 1224.49 | misses would raise the treestand % | KNGBUD::LAFOSSE | | Wed Dec 09 1992 12:27 | 12 |
| Another factor which would up treestand numbers drastically is the number
of deer shot at and missed or lost... i bet your treestand percentage
would increase dramatically... as 90% of misses from a treestand are
quality opportunities, as opposed to just walking in the woods and jumping
deer everywhere... Not to mention all the deer which were out of archery
range, but would be easy kills with any firearm... including muzzleloader.
I can personally say that i've missed many more from a treestand during
archery, than any other method combined. My shooting skills with a bow
need help... ;^)
Fra
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| 1224.50 | | ODIXIE::RHARRIS | The deerhuntermeistersupreme | Wed Dec 09 1992 12:44 | 5 |
| Another factor about treestands, how high do you go? Also about
groundstands, what kind of cammo? Alot of interesting questions, etc.
bob
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| 1224.51 | Swear by Still Hunting | COMET::HAFFLEY | | Wed Dec 09 1992 17:24 | 10 |
| Still hunting with my "low quality" Savage 110 I've taken one very
nice 24 inch mulie buck and an elk cow this past Oct.
Dad has taken many Pennsylvania whitetails plus a couple of elk
(one bull, and one cow) himself. All still hunting
You know the method. Take a few steps, pause....keep your eyes and
ears open, then go again.
Scott.
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| 1224.52 | Stillhunting with Bow? | GLDOA::ROGERS | | Thu Dec 10 1992 02:06 | 20 |
| Thinking about this for a minute, it seems that still hunting with a
bow is very improbable. What are the odds that detection would take
place in that weapon's range? From out of range it becomes a stalk.
And the odds go down fast in that case as wind, terrain, conditions,
and circumstances are unlikely to cooperate. In our relatively flat
enviroment it would seem hopeless.
Also, for some reason it is harder to find morning treestands that are
effective than evening stands. I believe that this is due to the fact
that the deer head to bed in the dark if they go at all. When I find
them in the a.m., they are feeding at 8am, 9am or even later. When I
don't, my trailtimers show passage at 4:50am or 5:15am or something
like that. I've gone out there at those times and sure enough there
are going through, hear 'em but can't see 'em.
But this survey did provide one interesting bit of data. I had always
wondered if still hunting with a gun would be more profitable than
sitting. The answer is appears to be an unqualified "yes".
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| 1224.53 | Saturday the 50cal will boom! | CSOA1::VANDENBARK | | Thu Dec 10 1992 09:45 | 8 |
| I will take a deer any way I can, but I think stillhunting or stalking
is more rewarding to me. Of course ask me when I have taken one while
on stand, and I'll probably say "Stand hunting is the best". I guess
what it boils down to is that DEER HUNTING IS GREAT NO MATTER HOW YOU
DO IT! Unless of course you run across Harris doing his call of
nature/stalking method.
Wess
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| 1224.54 | | ODIXIE::RHARRIS | The deerhuntermeistersupreme | Thu Dec 10 1992 13:34 | 8 |
| I would like to see next, what is the most propsperous time of the day
to harvest, according to your stats. Of course, if this, and if that,
and based on moon phase etc. I see people that get to there stands at
o dark thirty. I get to my stand at first light of day. CAn't shoot
in the dark anyway.
bob
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| 1224.55 | How do most people hunt??? | DNEAST::BAKER_CHUCK | Human Input Required... | Thu Dec 10 1992 13:47 | 14 |
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What your data says to me is that the "PREFERRED" method is still
hunting. You really can't say that it's the most productive way unless
you know that people are hunting all ways and simply score more often
while they are still hunting.
Not that I dis-agree about still hunting. That's how I've gotten
most of my deer. But I have a hard time sitting on a stand for hours,
so I mostly still hunt. Therefore I shoot most of my deer by still
hunting.
Chuck
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| 1224.56 | We answer one and get ten more... | BTOVT::WENER_R | | Mon Dec 14 1992 06:35 | 22 |
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Yes, I agree that to be entirely correct with the data that we
all provided, we'd need to factor in the amount of time spent per
method. I don't have a clue how we'd do that though... anybody got any
ideas? I guess I could take a swag percentage wise, but then that's all I
have is just a swag - no good solid data - on what I do the most... For
bowhunting I'd say my hunt time is spent 90% in the trees, 10%
stillhunting to/from my treestands and while stillhunting/scouting
new ground. For rifle, it depends so much on weather such as snow,
rain, crunchy leaves, etc... that I just don't know. I'll have to
think about it for a bit.
The survey did bring out some interesting questions - and it did
provide some good info. I am especially impressed with the bowhunting/
treestand performance - and like Fra said earlier, the quality of the
opportunity is much greater in a tree. I also agree that if you
factored in the missed treestand opportunities, you'd get a much higher
"encounter" percentage.
- Rob
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| 1224.57 | | KNGBUD::LAFOSSE | | Mon Dec 14 1992 13:58 | 10 |
| >Rob,
The info was excellent, and was an eye opener in some aspects... Didn't
mean to sound like it was a wasted effort, was only trying to show that
if we did factor in all the misses, your treestand percentage would rise
dramatically.
Thanks for the time it took to compile the info...
Fra
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| 1224.58 | | ODIXIE::RHARRIS | The deerhuntermeistersupreme | Mon Dec 14 1992 16:37 | 6 |
| Really Rob,
it was great info, and thanks for the time you spent to compile it.
bob
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| 1224.59 | "treestand" what's that? | COMET::BRONCO::TANGUY | | Thu Dec 24 1992 02:27 | 18 |
| Wow, this whole discussion was great!
I'm a Colorado native, and most of my brief hunting years have been
spent hunting elk rather than deer, and I never knew that you could
actually find a tree big enough to sit in!! ;)
My only elk was taken with me in a "ground stand." I was hidden among
some rocks at the top of a sharp knoll. My dad and his friend
drove the cow to me with a really noisy "stillhunt." How would that be
counted?
I also know of several guys out here who hunt from horseback with a lot
of success. They swear by it (it's their story, they can tell it any
way they please!).
Great report, Rob. Thanks!
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| 1224.60 | Horseback sounds neat! | GLDOA::ROGERS | | Mon Dec 28 1992 13:28 | 11 |
| I've tracked deer by horseback in scouting sessions. The perspective
is great. I'm not sure that I would ever use my horse in season
thought. Too many city folk that can't tell the difference. So the
horse is not gunfire trained.
Once came across two deer in the edge of clearing. I was able to get
close and then I turned into the woods to avoid spooking them away.
I've often wondered if my Arabian could run them down. I might try
this in Au Sable forest this summer. Think how weird it would be to
mix in with a deer herd on horseback. (have to stay dowwind though)
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| 1224.61 | saddle sore is the way to go | UNYEM::GEIBELL | IN SEARCH OF SNOW BUNNIES | Mon Dec 28 1992 14:39 | 20 |
| when I lived on the farm in Pa we had horses and during many rides in
the evening we would ride right up to whitetails in the fields and
woods most of the time they just stood there and looked at the horse
as if it was crazy.
we have gotten as close as 5 feet from deer just to have them look at
you setting on the horse., and I cant even begin to count the number of
times I had looked out and had deer standing right beside the horses at
the grain bins in the field eating! the deer were almost tame.
I can still remember wakeing up one morning and we had a fresh skim
of snow and I walked out on our back porch and there were deer tracks
right up to the sliding glass door.
I have friends out in montana and they said horse back is the only
way to go out there, they figure if the horse packs out 2 elk a year
they have pretty much paid for their food the rest of the year.
Lee
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| 1224.62 | hows this for a unique method | AKRONU::LAFOSSE | THE FRA, 226-5328 | Thu Aug 19 1993 16:41 | 25 |
| I was reading one of the hunting rags and came across this very
interesting article on a technique for hunting oaks, especially
while they are dropping acorns...
It goes something like this, (makes a lot of sense if you think
about it) about 2-3 weeks prior to the season you find a promising
area which is loaded with oaks. Find a nice little area to setup
in which is overlooking a good looking oak. The author then raked
the ground bare under the selected tree's entire canopy.
What happens is that the deer will over time bypass what could
concievably be better oaks to get to the easy pickings under the raked
one. They spend less time and energy foraging. The author claims that
he's had as many as a dozen deer bypass other oaks which were dropping
acorns to get to the tree he was overlooking. He also re-rakes it a
second time if necessary to keep it clean of falling leaves.
Makes pretty good sense if your hunting oaks on a year when the're all
dropping at once. The author claims he's been very successful with
this new method. My wife would really be ripping if she found out I was
raking up the forest floor and not my front yard, could be dangerous for
more than just the deer :^)
FWIW, Fra
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| 1224.63 | Tons and tons..... | JUPITR::BUTCH | No Shortcut Too Short | Fri Aug 20 1993 07:57 | 6 |
| Hey Fra,
I hear ya with the raking. Looks like it's gonna be a pretty good
crop this fall. Looks good on paper. Let me know when you'll be in the
area.
Butch
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| 1224.64 | | SAHQ::NEWSHAM | James Newsham @ALF | Fri Aug 20 1993 10:37 | 9 |
| Fra,
After your done your raking in the woods your more than welcome
to come over and do my yard ;-)
All kidding aside, sounds like it might work. What mag was
the acticle in ?
Red
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| 1224.65 | Echo to the rescue | ODIXIE::SHADDIX | | Fri Aug 20 1993 14:19 | 4 |
| I wonder if I could use my blower to clear out the leaves. That would
sure make things alot easier.
Earl
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| 1224.66 | may just try this in a few weeks. | DORIAN::GEIBELL | DIAMOND -J- CHARTERS | Mon Aug 23 1993 09:06 | 15 |
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Fra,
I have also heard of this although I never tried it, and something
else I have heard of and done is, the last 100 yards to a stand rake a
path and make sure all the little twigs and sticks are off the trail.
this makes for a almost completely silent approach to your stand during
the crispy dry leaf part of the seaason. the only draw back is if
someone else see's the trail they are liable to find and remove your
stand unless you take it with you.
Lee
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| 1224.67 | I DO THAT ALL THE TIME!!! | AKRONU::LAFOSSE | THE FRA, 226-5328 | Mon Aug 23 1993 09:41 | 10 |
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Re: raking a path...
It does have it's down falls... as you have stated, but I'll take the chance that
the average hunter is either honest, can climb well, or does'nt have bolt cutters
on his person. ;^)
Nothing like slipping in undetected in the dark... quiet as a church mouse
Fra
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| 1224.68 | How about this idea.... | SALEM::ALLORE | All I want is ONE shot..well maybe 2 | Wed Aug 25 1993 13:37 | 32 |
| The best way I have found is to not even drive to your
hunting spot. How do you get there you say? You parachute
in! Then, you carefully walk along the path that you have cleared
of every leaf, twig/branch, etc. and you must do this at least 3
hours before light. If it's real dark you may have to use your
infrared night vision goggles. Then when you get to your stand,
you use the "Mouse Whisper Elevator System", (these can be purchased
from most high tech hunting store outlets - $2,000+), this system
quietly lifts you to your tree stand while playing tranquil sounds
of nature into your personal head set. Now your in your stand and
almost ready to hunt. Now you must turn on the misting system
that you installed into the ground three months before deer season,
so you wouldn't be disturbing the deer now. This system emits a
human scent eliminator along with a cover scent (works kind of like
a lawn sprinkler system but on a smaller scale). Okay, your all set,
you sit back, get comfortable and wait.............until you remember
one small detail........................
You forgot your weapon..........
I couldn't resist a little pre-season humor!!
Bob
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