Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

    
If you normally hunt elk/deer in the second or third season, head out
during bow season and look for fresh scrapes (ELK) on Aspen trees. The
bark on these trees comes off fairly easy. If you look on the ground it will
look like wet saw dust. The reason its wet is the bulls will urinate all over
the scrape/surrounding ground. 

Gather the surrounding wet dirt/scrape dust and put it in a plastic
bag and seal. Come hunting season, add a bit of water and you've got instant
scent. The scent wouldn't be strong enough to attract other bulls/cows, 
but it is useful in covering up your scent. I believe the same is true 
for deer but I haven't attempted it.

Another scent trick I have heard about involves the tarsal glands 
(not Meta-tarsal) from deer. The idea here is to acquire the tarsal 
glands (which aren't really glands but tuffs of hair, that deer urinate on 
for communication purposes).  Tie the tarsal gland to bottom of your boots.
Ideally you should hunt a different area then where the buck was taken. This
way you supposedly would arouse resident bucks ie, a new buck is in the
neighborhood. I suspect this would work well with Whitetail but to a lesser
extent with Mules.

Peter

     re: -.1
    You reminded me that the coyote attractant in .0 is also a highly
    effective deer/elk repellant (feild tested by the US gov). So if 
    you're tired of deer eating those young trees you planted, put some of
    this on 'em. A freind who I gave some of this for yotes, said he watched
    two elk go off the game trail and far around it, going out of their way to
    avoid the place on the game trail he had put a some. Gotta few yotes 
    that day too....they did'nt avoid it :^)
    
    chuck
    

     I was just informed the recipe in .0 has a few errors. Listening
    to the voice mail of the recipe closely, I confirm this person correct.
    
    41.8% catroic acid- should read: CAPROIC acid (thought he said "t")
    
    0.2%  two mercaptoetaknol ethanol- should read: 0.2% 2-mercaptoethanol
          (confused the spelling of ethanol being added to "mercapto")
    
    8.0%  ethyl catroate should read: 8.0% ethyl CAPROATE
    
    sorry y'all
    
    chuck
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REV 2
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Coyote attractant: synthetic fermented egg scent
Research and Developement: Roger Bullard,  Dept of Fish and Wildlife

41.8%  caproic acid
35.1%  butyric acid
 7.1%  hexyl amine
 7.2%  trimethyl amine (being a 25% aqueous solution)
 0.6%  dimethyl disulfide
 0.2%  2-mercaptoethanol
 8.0%  ethyl caproate
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The ones with "amine" might be one word (combined???)

chuck 

    Would anybody know of a commercial maker of dog training scents that I 
    can get in contact with. I have a walker/german shorthair cross that 
    has one heck of a nose on her and is fearless. What I'm looking for is
    a bear scent. She will be used to find bear after being shot with bow
    and arrow. They don't bleed much after being shot as the fat seals the
    wound up. Not only will she help in not loosing the bear, her and I
    have a great time together hunting. 
    
    						gary c

	Gary, sorry I can't answer your question. But your reply 
	made me want to pose this question to you: 

	Do you intend to leave your dog in your car (or elsewhere)
	while you are hunting, and only pick her up if you find 
	you have a problem with tracking a wounded bear on your hands??	

	I don't get the idea from your reply that this is what you
	had in mind, but I may be wrong. This brings me to the comment
	I wanted to make: do you know how your dog actually would
	react to a bear if she met one in the woods?? From what you
	write about your dogs courage - and from the behaviour of
	a lot of other dogs around bears - I would not be surprised 
	if your dog responded pretty agressively to a bear. This 
	may or may not be OK for you, the dog or the bear - all
	depending on the situation. But somehow I doubt it will
	have a benficial effect on your chances of getting inside
	of bow range... Or am I off my mark here?

	There are wildly differing opinions about bears and dogs,
	I happen to belong to the people who tend to be rather sceptical
	about the combination. In the North, some people believe
	a dog can warn them if a bear comes around, and thus help
	avoid a possibly dangerous confrontation. But it may work the
	other way round too - ie. the presence of the dog may well
	bring on a confrontation which would otherwise not have been.
	Obviously this is all more serious in Grizzly country, and
	maybe I'm wrong to infer anything about dogs and US (black?)
	bears??

	Just for the record: dogs in a pack are a different proposition
	all-together. Most dogs in a pack can safely chase off a
	bear, even if some of the dogs (and sometimes the bear) might
	suffer during the process.

							- Mike

    First, I hunt over bait and the dog would be used the day after a bear
    is shot as I have yet to have one come in until just about dark.
    That leaves a whole night for the bear to find a place to die. I am
    confident enough with my bow and arrow ability to feel safe about arrow
    placement but other factors can happen to get less than an idea
    placement, but that would have to be delt with on an individual basis.
    I live and hunt within a five mile radius of my home so the dog is
    always close and I really don't feel comfortable about leaving her in
    the car. She's 8 months old now, so she will about a year old during 
    bear season. She also won't be running alone. Her back up is a
    rottwieller (sp) who's is also her sparring partner. They play alot
    and she shows him no mercy. They ran rabbit together a few times last 
    winter and they work well together.
    
    						gary c
    

RE:             <<< Note 1131.6 by DNEAST::CURAVOO_GARY "CRUZN II" >>>

	Aha, I see. Sounds more sensible than what I had read
	into your first entry (but which you had obviously not
	intended to be in there). 

	Schwei�hunde (dogs trained to follow blood track to wounded
	animals) are an integral part of hunting in the parts of the
	world I call home. The German term "Schwei�" actually means
	blood. The services the dogs render are invaluable, and they
	are as highly thought of as any pointer or receiver. The way
	they are used is also pretty close to what you had in mind:
	only once the tracking situation has arisen are they put into
	the field. Naturally, this can only be of any real help in
	environments where hunting grounds are fairly close to the
	dog's (home) base.

	Best of luck with your dog and perhaps a future bear.

							- Mike