Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

    yo bob - 
    
    Did any of those "gorgeous voluptious women" (as you called them) - Did
    they hunt or where they just there pushin' the products to all the
    drooling men????  ;^)
    
    Christine (who does hunt and would like to see a half naked well
    endowed man pushin' them products!)  ;*)
    
    

    
    re -1, Would imagine they were being stalked, especially if they were
    the ladies from Hooters.
    
    Bob,
    
    Heard that some antis (hunters) showed up there also, is that true?  I
    ended up in Nashville (Saturday) at the state fair grounds.  It was a 
    great day, but admitedly I wish that both events could have been 
    attended.  Had planned on going  to Buckarama on Sunday, but was just 
    to wacked out.
    
    When are you going to sight in the rifle?  I need to get out and do
    some sighting in, it'll determine wether I go with or without a scope
    this coming year.  If you want I know a place that we could go, no
    charge, about twenty minutes from the house.  You could probably go
    about 200 yds out if desired.  I'll be going this weekend for sure, not
    quite sure which day.  Went out last night and shot quite a few rounds
    trying to get rid of my bad habit of trying to compensate for recoil on
    the .44 mag, think I'm close to having it licked.  Besides I would like
    to see you light a match at 100 yds, with that new rifle and scope.
    
    Leonard
    
    

    Hey Chris,  they had some guy pushing "hard on" buck lure.  Hmmm.
    
    Leonard, the antis were not allowed on the premises, and there were
    only a few of them.
    
    In reference to crackin off a few rounds, I just bore sighted my .270
    and need to fine tune now.  I know where there is a powerline cut that
    alot of hunters sight in at, let's get together.
    
    BTW, the women that were hot lookin were pushin their bras out, who
    cares about the product!!!
    
    bob
    

    
    Bob,
    
    I wonder if we are talking about the same place, place I shoot is a
    power area line also with deer.  Its over in Walton county.  What about
    this weekend, say Saturday??
    
    Well I'm turning chicken, pulled out that extra scope and started
    debating whether or not to use it this season.  Once I get out and try
    a few round without the scope then I'll know.  If you decide to go can
    you give me call today, I'll need to get some cartridges loaded up. 
    Are you using one of the TASCO over the counter bore sighters?  If I
    hunt with scope I'll probably end up getting one.
    
    Will be in the cafateria at 0800 hours this morning, maybe see you
    there.
    
    Only 49 days left........
    
    
    Leonard
    X31144

I've noticed a couple of replies about bore sighting, and just
thought I'd throw this in.

If, for some reason, you're unable to bore-sight and are having
difficulty hitting the paper at 100 yds, try 25 yds.  If you're
3 ft. off at 100,  you'll only be 9" off at 25.  You can adjust
your scope to hit dead on at 25, and then move to 100 and fine
tune.

Jerry

    JERRY, I bore sighted with a friend's bushnell bore sighting kit.  I
    plan to shoot at 35 yds, and fine tune at 100 to 150 yds.
    
    LEONARD, who is going to read a note at 8 a.m. and go to the cafeteria
    right away.  I get my coffee first.  I missed you.  I cannot shoot this
    weekend, moving a relative.  Possibly in a couple weeks.  My powerline
    cut is in Gwinnett county, off of Peachtree Industrial and hwy 120.
    You titled your note"49 days".  49 days for what?  Georgia firearm is
    in 64 days, and bow season is 29 days.  Also, I got a tasco 3x9x40
    wide angle at the buckarama for a mere $40.  brand new in a box.
    
    bob
    

    As a last ditch thing...
    
    another good way to find the paper should you have problems even at 25
    yds.... is to shoot at the four corners of the target, one of them
    should hit, giving you an indication of what you have to do.  If this
    dosn't work, get a bigger target or a .270  ;^)
    
    Fra

      Speaking of .270's.  At what range would you zero a 270 for hunting 
    whitetails in N.E.?
    
    Jeff

    
    
    New York Empire State Building

    speaking of .270's, that's what I have to sight in.  You know what we
    aim at here in the south?  Them damn yankees!  Just kidding.
    
    bob
    

     I'm going to sight in my .270 at 100 yards. That's a relatively long
    shot where I hunt, and even if I take a 200 yarder it'll only be down
    something like 2.5". I've got open sights, and I can't see as that will
    make a difference with my shooting skills... :-}
    
     The Doctah

    
    Bob,
    
    Be nice, saying things like that about the yanks.  You know it was not
    the intent to use em for zeroing in, it was to sharpen skills on moven
    targets.
    
    Got the side arm zeroed in, and as I have stated before found something
    very interesting.  Great at picking off tin cans, but am very sparatic
    with the paper target.  Also may be over the recoil compensation
    syndrom,  it took quite a few rounds to achieve it, but may have done
    it.  Reflecting on the shots that took place, I wonder if the size and
    the weight of the firearm are in part resonsible for it or if its a
    state of mind.  I can hold the smaller .44 mag and dry fire it without
    moving it, however the 7-1/2" Ruger .44 mag, moves.  Well as long as
    the movement is after the fact it should be alright.  The movement is
    slight but still it bothers me.  As a side note, my hand has been
    giving me some problems lately, couldn't figure out what in the world
    or why.  Then it dawned on me this past outing, the .44 is the answer,
    went through quite a few rounds and must have bruised the muscles in
    the hand.
    
    I need to get out either this coming weekend or next weekend for sure
    and get the '06 in.  Need to do it before bow season starts.  Would
    like to do it this coming weekend,  will see how I do without a scope,
    then may go back next weekend with a scope, we'll see. 
    
    So when are we getting together ??????????
    
    Leonard
    

    Leonard,
    
    Quit doing the pee wee herman, and your hand will feel much better.
    
    In reference to zeroing in rifles, I have the time this labor day
    weekend, but don't know about the money to buy ammo.  I am working on
    Saturday, and Sunday am scouting on the property.  That leaves monday.
    Monday is fine with me, but no commitments until I buy ammo.  Let's
    get together this week in the caf and talk hunting.
    
    bob
    26 more days for full draw on a wallhanger
    

    re .11
    
    I am not a .270 expert (.30-06 myself) but I would imagine that if
    you sight in a .270 at 100 yards, that at 200 yards you would be 
    2.5 +- inches ABOVE the sight line not below.
    
    --Bob
    

    Wouldn't it also depend on type of ammo being used?  For instance, 
    doesn't a boattail supposedly decrease drop in trajectory at greater
    distances?
    
    bob
    

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>>                       -< Either way it's a lethal hit >-

>>    I am not a .270 expert (.30-06 myself) but I would imagine that if
>>    you sight in a .270 at 100 yards, that at 200 yards you would be 
>>    2.5 +- inches ABOVE the sight line not below.
   
According to all of the ballistics charts I've seen, a dead on sighting
at 100 yds. will result in a drop at 200.   For instance, for the
load I will use this year in my .270, a 100 yd. zero would produce
about a 2 or 3 inch drop at 200 and about a 8 or 9 inch drop at
300.  These figures are from my rather poor memory, but should
be close.  

If you sight in to be 3 to 3.5 inches high at 100, you should not
be more than 4 inches high or low out to 300 yds.  For my load,
hitting 3.5 inches high at 100 results in about 2 inches high
at 200, dead on at 260, and about 4 inches low at 300.  With this,
a hold in the middle of the rib cage should be a lethal hit at
any range to 300 yds.

The trajectory of your load will probably be different, depending
on muzzle velocity, ballistic coefficient of your bullet, and length
of your barrel (probably 22").
    
Also, for what it's worth, the late, great Jack O'Connor, who is
probably the one person most responsible for the popularity of the
.270, advocated sighting in to hit about 3 inches high at 100 yds.

Hope this helps,

Jerry

    exactly what Jerry said: regarding .270 and a +3" @100 sighting.
    
    I've used this on my .270 for years and it will allow a +/- of 4" all
    the way out to 300+ yards... this is using the 130 grain... your
    mileage may vary
    
    sighting dead on at 100 yds, does nothing more than take away the
    effectiveness of your fast shooting iron... anything after 100 yds is
    dropping below the line of sight.
    
    Fra

     
    re .5 The method of bore sighting you described has worked in the past,
    however the rings I have now tighten down from both sides and it makes
    it difficult to make sure the scope is even centered over the barrel,
    darndest thing I've ever seen.  
    
    BOB,
    
    Sighting in your .270, Labor Day sounds ok to me, I'll be working till
    1100 hours that day and would be free afterwards.  If we do go would
    you want me to bring the rope so that we can tie a target to a
    tree/stump, so we can simulate the way you really hunt?  Speaking of
    Pee Wee, I heard that he's a straight shooter, is that what you were
    referring to?
    
    Lunch sounds good, Wednesday on is fine, after 1200 hrs.  Post a time
    and we'll work it.
    
    There is a gun show this weekend, I've got to get to it.  I want to
    have the rifle all taken care of this weekend, which means if I do end
    up using a scope that it goes on this week end.  What I may do is go
    out either Saturday or Sunday, and then Monday with you (if you can go)
    
    Leonard

    
    re last few
    
    Sorry if I started something, didn't mean to. Don't know much about
    a .270 trajectory and only know what mine will do in New England 
    distances (150 yds dead on, means everything I will see is dead on
    for a kill).  I just assumed that since the .270 is a flat shooter, 
    if you were dead on at 100 yds, the bullet would be going up
    when it crossed this line (bullet starts below line of flight, must
    go up to be "dead on"), I figured it would not come back down
    across line of sight till out past 200.
    
    Oh well, I'll take your word for it. Good luck this fall.
    
    --Bob
    

    
    Bob
    
    The .270 is flatter shooting, but something to remember is that bullets
    arc. Hence zero set is only at the point of impact that one has set it
    fore.  What the bullet does after that is quite relative to the arc
    charateristics of the particular caliber.  When zeroing in my '06, its
    done at 25 yards, with impact minus two-tenths, this is zero at two
    hundred yards, and x.y high at 100 yards, howver after the two hundred
    yard mark its all down hill.  Guess gravity can cause a hunter all
    sorts of problems.
    
    Cheers
    Leonard

Re .20

If you are:

    0.2 inches low at 25 yards, 

    x.y inches high at 100 yards, and

    0.0 inches (dead on) at 200 yards,

Then you are: 

    0.0 inches (dead on) at somewhere between 25 and 100 yards.

    
    	There will always be two zero points (1)as the bullets rises above
    the sight line and (2) falls through it.
    
    
    	- Rob

    
    re 2 zero points.
    
    That's what I have been trying to say, it crosses the line of sight
    twice, once on the way up, once on the way down.
    
    I just figured that if a .270 was crossing it at 100 yards, it would be
    above it at 200.  
    
    --Bob
    

    
    re 21, thank you for the chart/figures, now if the deer will either,
    1-stand still while I aim, or 2-run in front so as to intercept the
    bullet then this will be a great season.
    
    re Bob, now I understand also.  Thank you.
    
    re, Bob Harris, got your phone message will give you call.  BTW I took
    the liberty of getting some rope so we can tie a target to one of the
    trees for you.  I also picked up some deer targets.  One is the deer
    with a blind fold, a deer laughing at the shooter, and a deer asleep,
    which one do you want?  I am going to use the fourth one, which is two
    deers a courtin, figure I should be able to hit one out the two.
    
    Cheers
    Leonard

    use them all, that way we can fill our tags early!  MMMM!  fried
    cardboard deer for dinner, boy, I'm lickin my chops already.
    
    re sighting in: how about zeroing in at 75 yds, and just see where you
    hit at 50, 100, 150, and 200 yds?  just a thought.
    
    bob
    

    
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Bob Harris, re .25, normally I set up and zero in for a 200 yards.  This means 
that at 25 yards impact will occurr at -.2.  We'll have plenty of time, so 
we could do set ups at various distances.


Leonard
 

    Leonard,
    
    If I am not home, leave a message on my phone machine, I have two
    jobs.
    
    bob
    btw, how much ammo should I bring?  this is a brand new rifle with a
    new scope that has just been bore sighted only.
    

    The bullet does not have to cross the line of sight more than once, in
    fact, it never has to cross the line of sight at all.  A bullet will
    start dropping the instant it leaves the barrel (assuming a level
    barrel)... By adjusting sights, we are merely cheating gravity... the
    line of sight stays the same but the barrel is pointing up to meet the
    line of sight at some point. (trajectory)
    
    There is a point along the sight line, at some magical distance for
    each different cartridge/bullet combo where its possible for a person 
    to adjust his optics to allow the bullet to reach its highest point and 
    meet, but never cross the line of sight.  By doing this however, we are 
    really taking away the advantages that a cartridge with a flat trajectory 
    offer.
    
    FWIW, Fra
       

    Fra,
    
    I have noticed in all the different notes and files that I log into,
    you are the walking encyclopedia britanica.  What do you do when you
    leave DEC, go home and read all those mags.  I just look at da
    pictures, duh.  It is nice to learn from someone of your experience
    and knowledge, just keep it flowing.
    
    One question, how and where and when will I kill the Boone and Crockett
    and the Pope and Young record bucks for the state of Georgia, besides
    tonight in my dream?
    
    bob

    
    Bob
    
    Reference the ammo, 'Well do ya feel lucky?'. Here it goes, normally
    I'll go though about ten rounds to sight in and then verify.  This is
    the norm, there are some set ups that would mandate probably a whole
    box of ammo if the rifle wasn't first bore sighted, for example.  A set
    of rings purchased some time ago mount on top of a weaver base, however
    the rings tighten down from both side of the base, hence it is possible
    to misalign the scope such that all the adjusting allowed by the
    individual scope will not allow it to be brought into zero. Had to bore
    sight it, else I would have been lost, I'll show them to you when we
    get together.  I think that from past experience they can be tightened
    evenly and that would eliminate for the bore sighting then I would have
    to just zero it in.  Got to make up my mind to day because I need to
    stop by Sports Town or Davids and pick up the scope base and possibly
    a new set of rings.  
    
    Leonard
    
    BTW:  do you have a sturdy protable table?  I built a gun vise that we
    could use.

    Leonard,
    
    I certainly am not going to bring a table in the woods, so I just use
    my steady arm for sighting in.  I  know it would be beneficial to
    have a table to sight in, but I don't need that.  Aim and shoot bud!
    I will probably be unavailable on sunday if you don't reach me, I will
    be scouting the property, and baiting.  No, not master!
    
    bob
    

    re:.29
    
    Actually Bob,  i'm not the one who writes those notes... ;^)
    
    I don't mean to come across as an encyclopedia...  sorry if thats the
    impression you get...
    
    Fra
    
    

    don't even think of apologizing.  Even if you are just passing along
    the information, I learn from that.  But you didn't answer my question,
    where and when am I going to harvest the Georgia state record boone &
    crockett buck?
    
    bob
    

    
    Bob, 
    
    I thought it would be a little easier resting the gun vise of the
    table, but we can do it the hard way I guess.  But the vise is going to
    make the rifle seem awful heavy.  I do intend on being out there for a
    couple of hours, I don't want to rush this process.  
    
    Cheers
    leonard
    
    

    Tis the season to be jolly, fa la la la la, la la la la!  Time again
    for the buckarama, fa la la..........
    
    14, 15, 16 of August.  10th annual buckarama.  Plenty of money to
    spend, and don't know what to buy.
    
    leonard, red, earl, jd, alan, who's on for the attack of the buckarama?
    
    bob
    

    Re. -35
    
    	And to think this is my hunting partner............
    
    	Red

Bob, Red, etc:

did you go?  Lotsa neat stuff?  I couldn't make it...

Scott

    Scott, 
    
    Red and myself went.  I don't think Red spent much money.  I could
    have, but left spending about $100, $20 0f that in beer.  It's an
    annual event, but not much new.  Nice to see those silicone implants
    though.  Plenty of leg, cold beer, and shopping.  No really good deals,
    everything was about list price.  We went on Friday, to bypass the 
    Saturday crowds.  HAH!  Friday was jam packed.  We got there 20 minutes
    after they were open and could barely find a parking place.
    
    I'll be back again  next year, god willing.
    
    Bob >>>>------------>  24 grueling more days
    

    Re. 38
    
    	> But left spending about $100.00
    
    	Come on Bob, we in the inner-circle know that figure was the
    	one you told your wife. She doesn't have access to notes, so
    	be honest :-)
    
    	Red

    Think Red, one day I will get my pc order from pcbydick, and then the
    wifey poo will access to this.
    
    bob