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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

1006.0. "The times, they are a'changing" by CSC32::J_HENSON (What is 2 faced commit?) Wed Aug 07 1991 14:30

Note 997.5 got me to thinking about some things.  In that note, Fra
mentions how times have changed and how in the 50s people didn't think
anything of shooting hawks.

So, maybe this would make a good topic for discussion, and as such, deserves
it's own note.  I sure don't won't to rathole a discussion on the
.220 Swift with this.

I recently read a history of Brewster County, Texas.  Brewster County
is the largest county in Texas, and is located in the rugged Bid Bend
country of West Texas.  In fact, the Big Bend National Park is located,
in it's entirety, in Brewster County.  The county consists of 1 or 2
small towns, but is mostly comprised of rough, desert mountains.  The
main industry is ranching, and most of the ranches are huge.  I know
of one 32 square mile (section) ranch which is surrounded on 3 sides by
a larger 600 section ranch.  Most of these ranches were settled around
the turn of the century and the local ranchers are rugged, hearty
folks who could care less about what you or I or any other outsider
thinks.  This is also the home of some of the best desert mule
deer hunting in the world, if you can afford it.

Oh well, enough of that.  What I really wanted to mention is the now
defunct "Eagle Club".  The Eagle Club was formed back in the 50s by
a group of ranchers who were having depredation problems from Golden,
or Mexican, Eagles.  There are still folks back there who swear
that a Golden Eagle can, and will, kill newborn lambs.  So, these
people organized a club, dedicated to ridding themselves of this
predator.  They would hunt them from airplanes and any other way they
could think of.  The end result was that a lot of eagles were killed.
However, they also claimed that native mule deer populations increased
significantly with the reduction of eagles, and that they suffered
a whole lot less livestock loss.  I don't know for sure how long
this club operated, but I do know that they stopped it when killing
eagles was outlawed by the Federal Government.  At the time, though,
this was considered stictly above board and an honorable thing to
do.  Today, it would get you thrown in prison.

That's about it.  I just thought that some of you might find this little
little piece of history interesting, and it also points out how times
really are a'changing.

Jerry 
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1006.1History does repeat itselfOASS::SOBCZYNSKI_LThu Aug 08 1991 07:5614
    
    Ref .0 'a thought'
    
    It is quite interesting to note the mentality of most 'humans', it like
    dealing with a herd mentality.  Throughout history we have seen
    incidents of 'over reaction', and if something gets in our way,
    disguised as progress, eliminate it.  It is not my intent to dwell or
    start a feud but to just state some some documented incidents.  The
    witch hunts of Salem, elimination of the Native American, the
    destruction of the American Bison, the impending conficastion of
    firearms.  History has a way of repeating itself and its quite sad that
    humans don't learn from it but make the same mistakes again and again.
    
    LS
1006.2Verdammt HawksMILPND::HOOVERThu Aug 08 1991 15:3328
	Way back in '45 when I was  a teenager, my dad offered my labor
	services to my uncle Clarance.  It  was hay making time in central
	Pennsylvania  and the sun was high.  Of course, I  complied with 
	my dad's wishes and worked my ass off all morning pitching hay onto 
	the horse drawn ladder wagons.  The high point of the day was at 
	noon when we could stop working and partake to the delicious spread
	of food prepared by my aunt Sarah.  So about noon, we all walked 
	from the barn to the front yard gate of the house.  

	Well, about 5 feet off the walk, there was a big hawk (must have 
	been a goshawk) clutching one of aunt Sarah's Rhode Island Red 
	Chickens.  

	Egad, I can still see it today.  He seems so regal, and looked right 
	at us as if to say, "this is my chicken dudes and I'm not about to 
	give it up, even though it is too heavy for me to carry"

	Right away, my uncle Clarence ran around the house to the back 
	door, got his shotgun and appeared on the front porch.  All the mean-
	while, the hawk stood his ground to his detriment.

	Can't remember if we had chicken for supper or not.

	At that time, life was hard enough for many farmers and they didn't 
	want any "verdammt" (Penna Dutch) hawk eating up their meager profits.
	
	Ed
    
1006.3Let's be thankfulCSC32::J_HENSONWhat is 2 faced commit?Thu Aug 08 1991 16:5123
>>                      <<< Note 1006.2 by MILPND::HOOVER >>>
>>                              -< Verdammt Hawks >-

This reminds me of stories my Dad tells about his growing up.  He,
and my mom, both grew up on farms in rural West Texas during the
depression years.  Wildlife conservation took a back seat to survival.

According to my Dad, whenever they saw a hawk, owl, fox, raccoon, skunk,
opossum, ringtail cat, civet cat, snake (of any kind), armadillo, or
whatever other type varmit, they killed it.  All of those were considered
predators which would prey on chickens (including the eggs) and small
livestock.  It just wasn't a time to be charitable with the wildlife.

I think that we should all be thankful that we live in times where
practices such as these are not the norm.  I know my Dad is.

Jerry

P.S.  Interestingly enough, when my Dad was young, there just weren't
any deer in that part of the country.  Now, that very same region
supports a very healty deer population.  I've also read accounts that
back in the early 1900s ranchers considered deer to be pests, and would
try to kill them off.
1006.4One mans pest another mans steak!MAIL::HENDRICKSJOHN HENDRICKS WICHITA,KS 316-832-7025Fri Aug 09 1991 15:507
    Pests depend on who is talking. I know personally of a rabid anti
    hunter, who now begs my dad to hunt deer and turkeys. They live here in
    central Kansas, where up until just a few years ago, there were very
    few of either. This particular farmer had 60 acres of milo that was
    harvested by the turkeys and deer. He got absolutely nothing. We now
    enjoy some very good hunting. Bad for the farmer -- Good for the
    hunter.