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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
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Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
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Number of topics:1561
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657.0. "Antis strike again" by ROULET::BING (The midnight train is whinin' low) Tue May 08 1990 05:33

    
    Did anyone read the story in "The American Rifleman" about the
    anti's out in California. It seems that they are giving the hunters
    a real bad time. Right now they are in court trying to get the mountain
    lion put on the endangered species list. Of course the fish and
    game peple can show that the mointain lion is not endangered but
    the antis are still trying. The sad part about this is that if it
    is put on the list, then it will be illegal to hunt where there
    are mountain lions and it will be illegal to hunt deer because
    the lions feed on deer.
    
    Another part of the story went on and told of the antis burying
    shaprened spikes in the road so the hunters drive over them and
    get flats. One guy got a flat and looked around the area and found
    a sign that said something like "if we cant stop you from hunting
    we can stop you from using your dogs". Underneath the sign was a
    bowl of dog food laced with ground glass and rat poison. I thought
    these people were animal lovers.
    
                                   
    It was a pretty good article if you get a chance to read it do so.
    It proves just how bad it is getting out there.
                                                   
                                   Walt
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Article         6339
From: [email protected] (Thomas Alan Swenson)                   
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: PETA Pamphlet
Date: 7 May 90 00:04:01 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 
seI got hold of a pamphlet published by the anti-hunting group
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA).  Note that
their tactics for sabotaging hunts include; enacting gun control
laws (in the interest of "public safety"), vandalism of hunter's
property, and indoctrination of kids into their movement through
the public schools.  I'm going to use it as proof that the anti-
hunters are in league with the anti-gunners.  
 
You will undoubtedly note the depiction of us sportsmen as
"violent", "perverse" and careless.  They also lie about the
Pittman-Robertson Act.  They say that those funds come from
"general tax revenues".  
 
They also fail to mention their other activities such as,
breaking into research laboratories or, the infamous Question 3
in Massachusetts last year.  For those of you who don't live in
the P.R.M., Question 3 was a referendum that would have placed a
heavy regulatory burden on farmers who keep animals.  The few
farmers that are left here organized and got it defeated by a
wide margin.  These people are self-righteous SCUM!   
 
Tom Swenson
[email protected]
 
Freedom of the press is great -- If you own the press.
 
Disclaimer?  Kiss my ass, I'm paying for my mail.
 
(start of pamphlet)
================================================================
 
             [ drawing of deer being chased by dogs]
 
 
 
 
                             How to 
 
                         SABOTAGE HUNTS
 
                 a guide for defending wild life
 
                       [drawing of a fox]
 
 
                      [drawing of a rabbit]
 
A small but violent minority known as American hunters invade
public and private land each year for the purpose of killing
animals for fun and profit.  Approximately 20 million hunters -
less than 10 percent of the American population - engage in
annual offensives against our wildlife, at great cost to animal
lives and the environment.  Their 70 million annual victims
include deer, bears, moose, rabbits, ducks, geese, squirrels, and
other wildlife, as well as dogs, cats, cows, occasional hikers,
and even a few of their fellow hunters.  Hunters also leave
behind many wounded and crippled animals.
 
Because hunted animals cannot defend themselves against the
technologies used by hunters, concerned citizens must become
active on their behalf.  There are many ways that you can protect
wildlife by thwarting hunters.
 
1.   Deny hunters the land to hunt on.  Encourage your neighbors,
     especially those who own large tracts such as farms and
     ranches, to post their land ad forbid hunting.  Show then
     that hunters invariably cause more damage to agriculture
     than wild animals do.
 
2.   For special hunts that issue a limited number of permits,
     apply for these permits yourself.  The permits are usually
     awarded by a simple lottery selection.  If you're lucky,
     you'll win a permit and save an animal's life.
 
3.   Go into the woods the day before hunting season and try to
     drive wildlife away from      commonly hunted areas.  Play
     loud radios or recordings of wolf howls, and walk with dogs
     on leashes.  Such tactics are particularly important for
     younger animals who have not had the traumatizing experience
     of being hunted.
 
4.   Plaster the floors of hunting blinds with cow dung, rotten
     eggs, or other unpleasant substances.  Tear down tree
     stands.
 
5.   To break potentially dangerous wildlife habits, place deer
     repellent (available at feed and hardware stores) along deer
     tracks, which hunters use to stalk them.  This will
     encourage the deer to move away. Or, just scoop up a bag of
     human hair from a barber shop and hang handfuls of it in
     little mesh bags about two or three feet from the ground,
     along the deer track.
 
6.   If hunters use dogs in your area.  Try to get hold of a
     female dog in heat and lead her, on a leash through heavily
     hunted areas.  Male hunting dogs will get wind of the female
     and lose their enthusiasm for chasing rabbits, foxes, or
     deer.  Soak garlic cloves in water or make a lemon juice
     solution and using a spray bottle  spray leaves and trails
     to throw dogs off the scent.
 
                     [silhouette of a deer]
 
7.   Hunter often like to ambush animals by setting out food and
     then hiding in blinds.  Piles of apples and other "bait" are
     set up a few days before hunting season to encourage animals
     to linger in a certain area.  To thwart this, remove the
     food piles a few days before hunting season.  If there is
     too much food to carry away, spray it with deer repellent or
     human urine, and spread human hair clippings all over the
     area.
 
8    Encourage your municipality to pass an ordinance that bans,
     int the interest of public safety, the use of all weapons
     within it's limits.  Rifles, shotguns, and bows and arrows
     have been known to kill people too.
 
9.   During actual hunts assemble a group of people early in the
     morning and use airhorns and whistles to warn animals into
     hiding.  Groups of noisy people are very effective is
     disrupting hunts of all kinds.
 
10.  Develop strong anti-hunting sentiment in your community by
     writing letters to the editor of your local newspapers,
     meeting with neighbors, and getting on talk shows.  Post
     anti-hunting flyers in parks and other community areas.  Let
     your neighbors know that federal saw recognizes wild life as
     "belonging" to all people, most of whom don't hunt.  Don't
     let gun lobbies or hunting groups label you as "uninformed"
     or "sentimental:" There are many valid scientific and
     ecological arguments against hunting, so get the facts and
     publicize them.
 
11   Lobby for laws that require hunters to carry written
     permission from land owners to hunt on private land.  This
     reduces hunting areas because many farmers are reluctant to
     sign such permits, and absentee landowners like summer
     residents or corporations may be hard to reach.
 
12   Ask your congressional representatives to introduce bills
     prohibiting hunting and trapping on national wildlife
     refuges and all public land.  The majority of taxpayers
     should not subsidize the perverse pleasures of a violent
     minority.
 
13   Ask your governor to appoint non-hunters to state wildlife
     committees.  These important committees decide the fate of
     your state's wildlife, and should not be dominated by
     hunters.
 
14   Place stuffed animal toys around commonly hunted areas. 
     Hunters often don't take the time to determine if an animal
     is real.  Better to have a hole in a cotton rabbit than a
     real one -- and the noise of the gun going off will help
     scare away real animals.
 
15   Look for announcements of scheduled hunts in newspapers and
     magazines.  Contact the sponsors or local authorities and
     ask that the hunt be canceled both for animal and human
     safety.  Picket the entrance to the hunting grounds, and
     circulate petitions in neighboring areas.
 
16   If companion animals or property are hurt by hunters,
     contact an attorney and find out what your legal options
     are.  File official complaints or even lawsuits.  The threat
     of litigations is a good deterrent.
 
17   Educate your self and others by reading and distributing the
     books Man Kind? by Cleveland Amory and the American Hunting
     Myth by Ron Baker.  Ask public and school libraries to carry
     them, or donate copies (write PETA for details)
 
18   If the wildlife course "Project Wild is taught in your
     public schools, meet with teachers and school officials and
     ask them to    end it's use.  It's pro-hunting propaganda is
     not accurate, and by advocating slaughter it does not teach
     students proper  respect for life or the environment.
          
          "Nonviolence leads to the highest ethics,
          which is the goal of all evolution.  Until we
          stop harming all other living beings, we are
          still savages."
 
          Thomas A. Edison
 
                       [drawing of ducks]
 
                          HUNTING QUIZ
 
True or False?
 
*    Hunting is necessary to prevent wildlife overpopulation.
 
FALSE     Hunting stimulates breeding by disrupting natural
balances that ordinarily would keep populations stable.  Hunters
weaken species by pursuing the large healthy male animals that
keep the herd or group genetically strong.
 
*    Hunters pay for conservation programs that help wildlife.
 
FALSE     The "conservation" programs sponsored by state and
federal wildlife agencies exist for the benefit of hunters, not
animals.  These programs, 90 percent of which are paid for by
general tax revenues ( not hunting licenses), include the burning
and bulldozing of thousands of acres of public land to create 
grazing areas that attract "game" animals.  Their programs,
including the stocking of hunting areas with "desirable" species,
are designed to create a surplus of animals so that hunters have
a constant supply of targets - and excuses.
 
For more information about hunting or other animal related
issues contact"
 
                              PETA
                     PEOPLE FOR THE ETHICAL
                      TREATMENT OF ANIMALS
                         P.O. Box 42516
                      Washington, DC  20015
                         (202) 726-0156
 
(end of pamphlet)

657.3Are we being out flanked?CXCAD::COLECCHITue May 08 1990 12:0925
    Fellow hunters - If it isn't the anti gunners trying to take your
    high powered rifle away its the animal lovers trying to take your
    animals away. When hunting is outlawed what reason will you have
    to posses a high powered sniper rifle. We are constantly under attack
    from different directions. Are we being out flanked? I tell you
    this, I am tired of the anti gun people telling me I don't need
    a pistol or a semiauto rifle to defend my rights and family. I'm
    tired of these goody to shoes telling me I am crippling and wounding
    and killing poor defenseless animals. Hunting here in Colorado brings
    in more cash than sking. I don't see these goody to shoes coughing
    up any money to perserve endangered species. I buy an elk and deer
    hunting license and a fishing/small game license every year. Last
    year was the first year I got a shot at a deer. and I always release
    my fish if I by some miracle catch one. So far I have not seen any
    anti hunters except at the Air Force Academy. I think if they showed
    up in the mouintains where there is no law and order they might
    not be found for 20 years. I feel for you easterners who have to
    deal with. Remember when the was a terrible food shortage and people
    were hauling hay. This type of thing would happen in normal years
    if it wasn't for hunters keeping the count down to a level that
    the land will support. It just PISSES ME OFF. 
    
    Just felt like venting some frustration.
    
    JC
657.4LUDWIG::BINGThe midnight train is whinin&#039; lowWed May 09 1990 03:0815
    
    What really ticks me off is the fact that hunters dont kill half
    as many animals as does pollution and so-called progress. An anti
    will be willing to let some company destroy a forest to build a
    mall or parking lot but let us hunt? No way. I think they find it
    easier to point a finger at us and to take us to court, than it
    is to take a large co. to court. 
    
     The media is just as bad. Ever notice how opening day of deer season
    makes the news every year. This stuff makes my blood boil......
    
    By the way do a dir/title=anti    I started a similiar note way
    back. 
         
                                            Walt
657.5WJOUSM::PAPPALARDOWed May 09 1990 13:1611
    
    The Anti's have Stereotyped me as a "Blood Thirst'y Animal Killer Who
    Has No Respect For Life".
    
    Well !! I sure hope for the sake of an Anti that no one Molest's my
    Hunt !!!!
    
    Rick
    
    
    
657.6getting theirsCSC32::WATERSThe Agony of DeleteFri Jun 29 1990 13:1747
     The anti's will have fun at this shoot. They just have to watch
    where they step, sit, and even what they lean on.   :-) Make sure you
    read the last paragraph.
    
    Vanderpool for President !
    
    
 Reprint from the Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph

Nucla Aminal-rights protesters could do time in cattle trailers

 NUCLA _ A jail sentence served in a cattle trailer may await protesters
who try to interfere illegally with next month's prairie dog hunt near here,
Nucla Mayor John Vanderpool warned Tuesday.

 "We don't have holding facilities" for a threatened influx of protesters,
Vanderpool said, explaining the preliminary decision to bring in two cattle
trailers, one for male and one for female prisoners.

 Under the contingency plans Nucla officals have prepared, Municipal Judge
John Davidson will hear cases in Nucla Town Park - an open-air court
under the trees where protesters will "face the law west of the Uncompahgre,"
in Vanderpool's words.

  The plans were made after animal-rights groups predicted last week that 
thousands of protesters might descend on the remote Western Slope community 
and try to block the scheduled July 14-15 Top Dog World Championship Prairie
Dog Shoot.

 A flier distributed by the Rocky Mountain Humane Society offered advice on 
where to find "the best information on sophisticated hunt sabotage." The 
flier also warned activists: "If you plan to physically interfere with 
the hunt ... understand when you do this, you're on your own."

  It is against state law to harass hunters or commit criminal trepass. 
Virtually all the hunt is to take place on private land.

 After studying the flier, Vanderpool issued a public letter that warned:
 
"The people over here do not appreciate being told what to do by outsiders,
and I'm afraid that someone is going to get hurt. The people here all have 
guns in their homes for hunting, and I'm afraid both sides might have short
fuses."

 In a telephone interview, the mayor said the cattle trailers won't be 
cleaned by the time they're used for protesters. However, he added, "We
will hose them down twice a day to keep the flies under control."
657.7great idea!STRATA::BINGFri Jun 29 1990 13:505
    
    Is'nt there a water shortage out that way? I dont think they should
    waste good water to clean out those trailers 8')
    
                             Walt
657.8That's the way to do it!ISLNDS::ROBERTSsteel wheels &amp; wheel gunsFri Jun 29 1990 13:567
    
    
    	They should have a third trailer for "other".
                           ^^^^^
    
    	Gary	8^)
    
657.9can you say mud pies...KNGBUD::LAFOSSEFri Jun 29 1990 16:144
    I think the hosing of the trailer would be messier than when dry...
    the more water the merrier... 
    
    Fra
657.10What? No cattle trailers?LUDWIG::BINGCheeseburger in ParadiseFri Jul 20 1990 08:068
    
    I saw a short piece on this in last sundays paper. Apperently the
    hunt was a success with over 1,000 prairie dogs taken. About 100
    protesters were arrested, no mention of the cattle trailers tho 8'(
    I have the clipping at home if you want the whole thing put in here,
    I got it out of the paper from Lancaster,Pa. So i dont know if it
    was in any of the Ma. papers.
                                       Walt
657.11not many antis showed upCHRLIE::HUSTONMon Jul 23 1990 10:0810
    
    I also saw an article, though from memory the numbers were different.
    
    They killed more prairie dogs than expected, thanks to the antis, seems
    they would blow wistles and horns to try and keep the dogs in the
    holes.  Well, being the curious critters they are, they stuck there
    heads up to see what all the noise was, bang, one less prairie dog.
    
    --Bob
    
657.12How to deal with Anti'sNAVIER::LEFEBVRESleep Keeps Me AwakeTue Jul 24 1990 14:575
    This month's issue of _Deer and Deer Hunting_ is a must for anyone
    interested in ways of dealing with anti's, both from defensive and
    offensive points of view.
    
    Mark.
657.13HUNTN::STORMWed Aug 01 1990 18:145
Mark, I don't get that magazine.  Would you include a few of the
highlights here?

Thanks,
Mark
657.14NAVIER::LEFEBVREShoulda turned left at AlbuquerqueThu Aug 02 1990 13:395
    Mark, I wouldn't do the issue justice as there are several articles
    in this issue on the subject.  You'd be better off picking
    up a copy at a store.
    
    Mark.
657.15HUNTN::STORMMon Aug 06 1990 17:454
OK, I will try to pick one up.

Thanks,
Mark