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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

648.0. "Dog Question ?" by CSC32::SCHIMPF () Wed Apr 25 1990 15:55

    I have a Black Lab. 2 yrs 4 mos...Anyway, I would like to know if
    anybody out there has ever had a their hunting dog nuetered?  I don't
    have a choice...His OFA rating came back good, but now he has Prostrate
    cancer; the Vet. stated that they had to come off....I was wondering
    has it effected the dogs hunting intensity, drive and just basically
    the want to hunt.
    
    Thanks...
    
             Jeff
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648.1Don't worry.DECWET::HELSELLegitimate sporting purposeWed Apr 25 1990 18:1925
    He'll be fine and as I see it, you don't have much choice.
    
    Most dog people say that the earlier you have this done to a dog, the 
    less effect it has on them.  I had my dog snipped last summer and he
    was 4 years old.  My observation is that he hasn't changed too much.
    He'll still try to mate a bitch in heat.  He is not the least bit
    lethargic as I had feared.  
    
    In fact, he is a more intense hunter.  Before, he had three interests:
    hunting, food and bitches (possibly in that order.  Now he is only
    interested in hunting and food.
    
    You may want to watch his diet.  I found my dog put on a lb or two, so
    I really cracked down on his intake for about 6 months.  People told
    me that once he was castrated he's stop roaming because he wouldn't
    be interested in mating.  I suppose this is true.  But he still roams
    every now and then because I have him on a diet most of the time and
    now he's on the prowl for food.
    
    My advice is not to worry.  I f you were castrated, do you think you'd
    have more or less interest in hunting????
    
    ;-)
    
    /brett
648.2Thanks Brett !!CSC32::SCHIMPFThu Apr 26 1990 12:3614
    Thanks Brett....You know what I'm thinking about then..Dog getting fat,
    lethargic etc..Another question, I am currently feeding him a mixture
    of Eukanuba(SP) and Nutra; Did you change the diet?  I'm not to worried
    about him getting out of shape, I work him everyday(a must) or he is
    intollerable; and I work him on pheasants at least 3 times a month. 
    I'm just real anxious about what may or may not happen;  Alot of time
    and money has gone into him, and after 1 good year of hunting behind
    him;  I'd like to have a couple more, or I'll give him away....
    
    Sorry, about being HARDCORE...But I don't need nor want JUST a house
    dog or pet.
    
    
    Jeff
648.3Here's my observation...I'm no expertDECWET::HELSELLegitimate sporting purposeThu Apr 26 1990 14:0352
    No, I didn't want a housedog or a pet either (explicitly).  I wanted
    dogs that hunt or out they go (tough after you develop a 5 year
    relationship in the field, huh?)  I was very concerned about my dog's
    ability to hunt after the big day last spring...(I had to have mine
    done because he was mono-testicular and had a greater chance of
    cancer).  Opening day this year put me at ease.  He hunted  as well
    as ever for 5 hours.  I couldn't notice any difference.  Getting out
    of the truck that morning, he was more hyped up for the hunt than ever!
    
    As for food, my dog hates Iams and Eukanuba.  He would just rather
    starve than eat it (don't ask me why).  I can alternate between Nature's 
    Recipe and Nutro Max (he likes these just fine and my other dog would
    eat mud if you put it in her bowl.  What I've found is that Nutro Max is 
    much more efficient than Nature's Recipe (ie less food fills them up = less
    money; same result).  I din't change food (like dogfood for seniors, I
    just feed him less).
    
    At first, he wanted to eat more.  It wasn't hunting season and he
    seemed to have nothing else to occupy his time besides food.  So we
    cut off table scraps *completely*.  This really pi$$ed him off!  I also
    cut him back on dog food.  The reason is that I watched him put on
    about 10% more weight in a month.  I got him down to a reasonable level
    of food and worked him pretty hard.  After about 5 months, he was back
    to his fightin weight.  Now, almost a year later, he's fine.  In fact,
    I feed him before I go to work in the morning and I often find left
    over food in his bowl when I get home at night.  His weight is good 
    and his demeanor is just fine.  Still loves to work!
    
    For *me*, the trick was to not give in to his insatiable appetite.  My
    opinion is that it was mental......not physical hunger.  
    
    The other thing that happened was that he learned every place in the
    neighborhood where people would put out cat food for their cats...
    he learned that my neighbor kept their dogfood on the floor of the
    garage in an easily accessable bag and rarely closed the door.....
    So I had to crack down on him disappearing for 5 minutes and filling up
    on between meal snacks.  I believe we've cured this.
    
    The bottom line is not to worry.  My advice is to do what's best for
    your dog's health and then observe his new habits.  If you know your
    dog well, which I'm sure you do, you'll notice his change in habits
    if there are any.  Just think smarter than him and don't let him pull
    the wool over on you.
    
    One suggestion is not to starve your dog when he gets home but to watch
    and see what happens before you do anything drastic.  Remember, he's
    gonna need a friend after his sex life is ruined.  I had my wife take
    my dog down so he wouldn't think I was the bad guy :-)
    
    Good luck.
    
    /brett