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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

643.0. "DEER SEASON IN N.H. OPENS MAY,1st" by WJOUSM::PAPPALARDO () Fri Apr 20 1990 13:33

    
    
    
    Ha,Ha, I GOTCHA!!!!
    
    This file is slowwwwwwwwwwwww, So whats everyone up to these days ?
    
    Myself, just working going home then getting up to go to work again.
    
            What a rut.. RUT! I can't even get into that, the wife's always
            tired....
    
    Did manage to see Len Lee Rue speak. The man spoke for 3 solid hours
    on deer from a naturalist/biologist perspective. Do you know that deer
    are right and left handed! He also confirmed that the eastern coyote is
    the smartest animal we have and Yes he will destroy the deer herd.
    
    White-oaks are the key. Of all study's done on penned deer of deer food
    the acorn from the white oak is most perfered.
    
    Also, the whitetail is somewhere about 40 million or so, and thru
    evolution the mule deer at 2-4mil will be breed out of existance. the
    reason being is the whitetail is moving further into regions where they
    never existed before, he stated as much as 100 miles every 3-5 years,
    they also learned they are today interbreeding with mule deer does
    right now. Len Rue call them the "NEW DEER" he stated that a mule
    deer buck will chase a doe when shes in heat but if it to difficult
    he will give up, but he went on to say that the problem is the
    whitetail buck. "HE Never gives up, he keeps driving and driving and
    pushing til he make it with that DOE, that along with the numbers is
    how the biologists theory is the MULE_DEER in time 50 years or so
    will no longer be here they will be bred out. Sounds like the
    Black-Duck with the Mallard. 
    
    OH well I gots more info but work calls. How about some discussion
    on the bred-out. WHAT DO YOU THINK ?  
    
    See Ya,
    
    Rick
    
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643.1GIAMEM::J_AMBERSONFri Apr 20 1990 13:528
    Interesting on the deer.  Means that I'll have took book a mulie hunt 
    pretty quick!  Did you guys do your bear hunt yet?  
      I just spent lunch time spray painting a new 870 pump that I won.
    Figure it will make a good turkey gun.  Picked up an "extra full" choke
    for it.  Have to pattern it this afternoon.  What;'s everyone else up
    too?
    
    Jeff
643.2Great Gun !PCCAD1::RICHARDJBluegrass,Music Aged to PerfectionFri Apr 20 1990 14:234
    Jeff, is that the 870 magnum ? I have that gun and love it.
    
    
    Jim
643.3Am I now an official "Arteest"?GIAMEM::J_AMBERSONFri Apr 20 1990 14:396
    Yep, I haven't fired it yet.  Just took out cans of green, brown, drab
    and black paint and started spraying.  Came out pretty good, almost
    lost the gun in the backyard!  Must have been all that practice in the
    subways.  
    
    Jeff
643.4WJOUSM::PAPPALARDOFri Apr 20 1990 14:5013
    
    Jeff,
    
    The bear hunt is my brother Guy, He'll be going in a few weeks. I must
    stay behind due to the Prom season and my limousine business being
    really booked.
    
    Hey, know any buyers for a 3.5inch 12ga Ulti-Mag New in box. note 3282
    in firearms file.
    
    So what do you think of mule-deer declining ?
    
    RICK
643.5GIAMEM::J_AMBERSONFri Apr 20 1990 14:586
      Thats interesting about the mule deer.  I didn't realise that the 
    whitetail and mule deer were genetically capable of inter breeding.
    What are the offspring like?  If this guys theorys prove out, it
    could do a number on some of the outfitters out west.
    
    Jeff
643.6Don't mean to imply one is smarter than the otherCHRLIE::HUSTONFri Apr 20 1990 17:458
    
    I would be interested to see the outcome of the cross breed, could it
    be a deer the size of a mulie, but with the cunning and habits (and
    habitat) of a whitetail, or it could go the other way, and give you 
    a smaller mulie that  acts like a mulie.
    
    --Bob
    
643.7WJOUSM::PAPPALARDOMon Apr 23 1990 15:1313
    
    Bob,
    
    Lenord Lee Rue recently published a Hardcover on this subject, the
    title of the book is " The New Deer", I have yet to get the book but
    plan to. I think it would be very interesting.
    
    I have the info at home, I'll try to remember to bring it in and post
    the address.
    
    Rick
    
    
643.8GIAMEM::J_AMBERSONTue Apr 24 1990 14:013
    I got my turkey permit this PM.
    
    Jeff
643.9WhiteMules or MuleTails?CSSE::STEBBINSWed Apr 25 1990 11:5925
    Friend of mine from high school is a range biologist for the BLM out in
    the Tongue River  area of Montana. She has seen several Mulie/Whitetail
    crosses brought in to check stations. The warden had freaked out on
    some guy cause he was checking  in a deer on a mulie permit that look
    mostly like a Whitetail. At any rate she has seen a few of them over
    the last 3 years and the combinations don't seem to have a pattern yet.
    These animals are more brown in color than a mulie which are usually
    greyish. Some have bifurcated antlers some with whitetail style racks
    with bifurcated tines. The ears are usually mulie, and the head shape
    favors a whitetail. The black tip on the tail (mulie) is usually still
    there. Since she is the only Gov't biologist in the area, she gets
    called in from time to time to settle disputes between MF&G officers
    and hunters. They have an official research project now to keep track
    of what is going on in this area. So I'll throw in a note from time to
    time and let you know how it is going. These critters have also been
    taken by hunters in Texas, New Mexico, Wyoming, and Colorado. So I
    agree that in the areas ov overlap of range that there will be a
    distinct new breed. It may be centuryies before the last Mulie is gone
    and there will be pure whitetails in areas where the population is far
    removed from the overlap areas. Also there is the Blacktail version of
    the Mule deer in California that is not seroiusly threatened by the
    Westward march of the Whitetail and in fact might never meet up with
    anything but a hybrid, and we get yet another permutation. What you get
    in 2 milennia or so are dear that are a lot like some Americans. Heinz
    57. Any how -gotta go--   MIke 
643.10good questionCSC32::WATERSThe Agony of DeleteWed Apr 25 1990 18:325
    .9 I read an artical on this along time ago.  It said that the
    whitetail is more agressive than the muledeer and is taking over
    muledeer habitat.  I assume that the mulie doe go with it.
    
    mark
643.11SALEM::PAPPALARDOFri Apr 27 1990 11:1211
    
    When Rick & I were attending the seminar given by L.L. he said the
    main reason for the "Cross Breeding" was due to the determination
    of the whitetail and the expantion of their range. A Muley buck
    will only chase a doe until he gets tired, but the Whitetail buck
    will continue after the doe until he catches her (most of the time).
    
    
                                                               Guy
    
    
643.12SALEM::PELLETIERMon May 14 1990 14:205
     Hey Guy,
      That Whitetail sounds like somebody we right here in the plant
    :-).
    
     Gilles.
643.13SALEM::PAPPALARDOTue May 15 1990 17:437
    re.12
    
          Gilles,
    
                  His initials wouldn't be "R.C."?