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| 598.1 | | SALEM::PAPPALARDO | | Wed Jan 31 1990 10:27 | 10 |
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Jeff,
You have done very well all around. The .338 is more than
enough for the game you listed and more. As far as the scope goes
based on the model in Tascos line will tell you the quality.
Good Shootin,
Guy
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| 598.2 | thats a *magnum* fer shure | SA1794::CHARBONND | Mail SPWACY::CHARBONND | Wed Jan 31 1990 12:08 | 4 |
| Saw an article on elk hunting a few months back (by
Carmichael of Outdoor Life) where the 338 was highly
recommended as a put-em-down-fast caliber. Ought to
be plenty for black bears and adequate for Brownies.
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| 598.3 | .338 too much for squerrels ? | DNEAST::STEVENS_JIM | | Wed Jan 31 1990 12:34 | 4 |
| Not if you don't want anything left over to clean..
Jim
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| 598.4 | pre-packager of squirrel meat | KNGBUD::LAFOSSE | | Wed Jan 31 1990 12:56 | 11 |
| From what i've read, .338 Win Mag is the caliber of choice for
Alaskan outfitters... more than adaquate (well theres really no
such thing when it comes to brownies) for grizz and elk.
can't comment on the worthiness of Simmons scopes as I have never owned
one, but these days everyone is making a decent scope, what it comes
down to is personal taste.
good buy, where am i when these deals surface...
day late/dollar short, fra
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| 598.5 | | WJOUSM::PAPPALARDO | | Wed Jan 31 1990 14:00 | 11 |
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As for what Fra had stated the .338 is the Alaskan Guides choice.
The .338 is a good caliber, the only thing i don't care of is that
your restricted to a 220 and 225 grain head.
As for the scope, only question that comes to mind is can it withstand
the kick of the caliber ?
Rick
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| 598.6 | Great deal! period | SALEM::MACGREGOR | | Wed Jan 31 1990 15:00 | 8 |
| Nice caliber, alot of hunters use it for elk and bear (all kinds)
and will have a nice flat trajectory. The Simmons scopes are nice,
and if they have any downfall it would be the weight. It is a little
heavier than most. It should handle the recoil nicely. Most Weatherby's
in that model go for $500-$600 new, which is basically what you
have. Then the scope I think goes for about $150. Nice deal.
Bret
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| 598.7 | | GIAMEM::J_AMBERSON | | Thu Feb 01 1990 09:41 | 9 |
| O.K. here's what I think I'm gonna do. Since I need a scope for
the .222 I'm going to put the 4x12x40mm Simmons on that gun. The
higher magnification will be better utilized and the low recoil
of that cartridge shouldn't affect the scope.
So now I need to buy a good scope for the .338. I'll most likely
go with a leupold as i have had good luck with them in the past.
The only question is what power. I'll definitely pick a variable
and am leaning towards one of these three, 1.5x5, 2x7, or 2.5x10.
what would you do?
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| 598.8 | Vari-XIII in 2.5x8 | SALEM::MACGREGOR | | Thu Feb 01 1990 10:26 | 7 |
| For a scope for that caliber I would go with the Vari-XIII in
2.5X8 power. Nice Scope. I am thinking of putting one on my 300
Win. Mag. As soon as I get the money. But Leupold also just cam
e out with a new Vari-XIII in 3.5X10x50mm. The 50mm Objective will
allow lots of light in when close to darkness and it is still legal
shooting.
Bret
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| 598.9 | Go Leupold | SKIVT::WENER | | Thu Feb 01 1990 11:52 | 4 |
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Another Vote here for the 2.5x8 - Rob
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| 598.10 | L-E-U-P-O-L-D, the "ONLY WAY" !!!! | SALEM::PAPPALARDO | | Thu Feb 01 1990 12:28 | 7 |
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After a long off line with Jeff i'll post my reccomendation, but
the firsts considered need to be weight and how far out you intend
on seeing/shooting.
Guy
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| 598.11 | | GIAMEM::J_AMBERSON | | Thu Feb 01 1990 13:01 | 8 |
| Guy brings up a good point. At what distantances should I be expecting
to take shots. Well never having been elk or brown bear hunting,
I don't know. So how about some of you guys out west telling a
poor eastern boy all about elk and bear hunting. What distances
should I expect? Anyone else out there own a .338 Win Mag? How
far out will this baby reach? Inquiring minds want to know!
Jeff
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| 598.12 | my vote: leupold vari xiii 1.5x5 | KNGBUD::LAFOSSE | | Thu Feb 01 1990 16:25 | 12 |
| I'd have to say, for the type of game you'd be using this bronco buster
on, 1.5x5 would be more than sufficient, anything more would be wasted,
not like your gonna be using it on chucks (although it'd be something to
see).
Average ranges??? got me, never have hunted grizzly before, but i'd say
no more than a couple hundred yards for a good clean kill, any more and
you might have one of the most hair raising tracking jobs immaginable.
Elk???... must look like their hit by lightening!
Fra
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| 598.13 | FAR OUT!!! | CSC32::SCHIMPF | | Thu Feb 01 1990 16:45 | 7 |
| Before this Elk season started, a friend of mine and I went out and
sighted our rifles. His being a .338; Anyway after sighting in for
200 yds. and tacking-(what a group) he stated capping off a a target at
400 yds.. Wanted to prove that his .338 was a little better than my 7mm
mag.; Well he proved it, and as far as reaching out, I'd say its'
better than "ma bell"--He had a 3 x 9 variable scope on it...From what
I've seen and read; I think it is one heck of a weapon---Good Luck!
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| 598.14 | Just my .02 Cents...... | SALEM::PAPPALARDO | | Thu Feb 01 1990 16:46 | 8 |
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In my conversation with Jeff I told him that my Magnum (.300 Win)
has a Leupold Vari XII 4-12 with A/O. In my opinion this is not
an "Over Kill". It has enough power to reach out and get a true
close picture of what I may or may not intend on shooting.
Guy
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| 598.15 | .300 win ain't a .338, deer ain't a brownie | KNGBUD::LAFOSSE | | Thu Feb 01 1990 17:46 | 31 |
| Guy,
I'm not saying 3x9 or 4x12 is overkill at "reaching out ranges"... but
for the type of animals you'll be hitting 5 power should be more than
adaquate to get a good picture of what you'll be dealing with...
Especially when your dealing with brownies, try hitting one charging at
30 yards with your 4x12 scope on 4 power...
Your scope is filled with what was described as a "brown field of wheat
blowing in the wind as the hairs are waving on the beasts body."
The bear was shot dead at 10 paces with a .338 through the throat
and into the spine. Thought he was aiming at the hump on its back...
I just got through reading a fantastic book on nothing but bear attacks,
all short stories, all true... fascinating reading.
I'm in no way trying to say I have first hand experience here, but from
all the stories i've read, 1.5x is absolutely necessary for any close
encounters with startled grizzlies, any more and your scope is full of
nothing but brown with no idea where your hitting. These chance
encounters are probably one in a thousand, but those odds are enough to
persuade me to have whats necessary to find 'em in my sights. 5x
should give you all you'll need to place crosshairs on the vitals at
yardages under 300 or better.
long winded, sorry!
$.02 worth
fra
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| 598.16 | Real Hunters don't use scopes ! | DNEAST::STEVENS_JIM | | Fri Feb 02 1990 09:41 | 13 |
| Scope ?? I don't need no friggin scope !!! (said in a heavy Mexican
accent)
I had a Tasco 32 3x9...Was ok...The only thing I'd suggest, well
two things, is get a wide view scope... The other is get an
infra red scope for those late afternoon or early morning hunts.
Maybe a laser scope..Yea, that's it...
It's gotta be a Friday....
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| 598.17 | you all know what my favorite gun is | CSC32::G_ROBERTS | | Sun Feb 04 1990 13:22 | 27 |
| RE: <<< Note 598.11 by GIAMEM::J_AMBERSON >>>
> Guy brings up a good point. At what distantances should I be expecting
> to take shots. Well never having been elk or brown bear hunting,
> I don't know. So how about some of you guys out west telling a
> poor eastern boy all about elk and bear hunting. What distances
> should I expect? Anyone else out there own a .338 Win Mag? How
> far out will this baby reach? Inquiring minds want to know!
Jeff,
Somewhere else I posted a note about the distance I've shot most
my elk at, but most all have been around 50 yard shots, some closer,
two out at ~300 yards. I use a 3-9 TV scope and it is always on 3 power
'cept when scope'n an area. I have among others a .300 Win Mag and
a partner has the .338 Win Mag. I personally think the performance
of the two in the 200 grain range bullet is very close to each other.
I have yet to encounter a bear in the wild, but everyone else I know
that has, has needed a change of shorts afterwards. With that in mind
I would want a low power, wide angle scope if building a gun/scope
for bear. Several times my scope set at 3 power has been filled by
hair when deer and elk hunting. With all that in mind, I would lean
towards something like 1.5-5 or 7 if I were to get a new one. Hope
this helps.
Gordon
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| 598.18 | Bigger than 200 or 220..... | CSOA1::SANDERS | | Thu Feb 08 1990 11:56 | 12 |
| RE:.5
If I'm not mistaken, I believe that I've run across load data in
either Hornady's or Sierra's reloading manual where a 250 grain
bullet is used. Also, doesen't Winchester sell a 250 grain factory
load? I'll check on this and get back to ya.
Has anyone out there tried the Browning BAR in .338? I've been
toying with buying one and would appreciate some input.
Glenn
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| 598.19 | | GIAMEM::J_AMBERSON | | Thu Feb 08 1990 12:54 | 5 |
| Remington manufactures a 225 gr and a 250 gr cartridge.
Jeff
P.s. Now which one should I use on chucks????
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| 598.20 | American hunter Article | DECWET::HELSEL | Legitimate sporting purpose | Fri Feb 09 1990 16:07 | 7 |
| There is an article in this months American Hunter that discusses
favorite calibers for Elk hunting. One such round is the .338.
The author's favorite weight is the 250 grain. He says his favorite
.338 250 grainers are made by Speer, Nosler and Barnes. It didn't say
if Sieera makes them, which would be my personal choice.
/brett
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| 598.21 | 250 grain BTSP | CSOA1::SANDERS | | Wed Feb 28 1990 15:44 | 11 |
| RE: 20
Brett,
Yes, Sierra does make a 250 gr. BTSP for the .338. I've just purchased
Sierra's new rifle reloading manual and it's in there. Pretty
impressive energy foot pound stats on that one. Sorry, I left it at
home, so I can't quote from it. But I'd be glad to pass along any info
at my disposal.
Glenn
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| 598.22 | Still there Jeff? | DECWET::HELSEL | Legitimate sporting purpose | Thu Mar 01 1990 13:07 | 6 |
| I think Mr. Amberson might be interested in this information.
But since he stopped making noise about the .338 he bought and
how needed info on the hunting loads; the novelty must have worn
off or he got a real job :-) :-) :-)
/brett
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| 598.23 | is .338 too much for springers? | GIAMEM::J_AMBERSON | | Thu Mar 01 1990 13:14 | 4 |
| Yea I'm still here. I fired the new toy a couple of times
last weekend. Shoots real nice. Got to gets some dies next.
Jeff
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| 598.24 | .338 Load Info | CSOA1::SANDERS | | Thu Mar 08 1990 15:57 | 39 |
| OK, here's the latest from Sierra on the .338, copied without
permission.
Firearm Used: Winchester Model 70
Bbl Length/Twist: 24"/1-10"
Cases: W-W Super
Trim-to Length: 2.490
Primers: Remington 9 1/2 M
Bullet: .338 250 gr. Spitzer BT
Cartridge Overall Length: 3.340
Powder Velocity 2300 2400 2500 2600 2700
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IMR-3031 49.9 52.6 55.3*
IMR-4895 51.9 54.6 57.3 60.0*
IMR-4064 53.4 55.8 58.2 60.0*
IMR-4320 53.9 56.6 59.2 61.8*
H380 55.2 58.0 60.8 63.5*
W-760 56.3 59.0 61.7 64.4*
IMR-4350 61.7 64.6 67.4 70.2*
H450 68.4 71.2 74.0*
IMR-4831 64.1 66.8 69.5 72.1*
H4831 67.1 69.7 72.3 74.8*
IMR-7828 70.1 72.5 74.9*
MRP 67.8 70.4 73.0*
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Energy/ft. lbs. 2936 3197 3469 3752 4064
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* Max load
Accuracy Load: IMR-4350/67.4 grs.
Hunting Load: IMR-4350/70.2 grs.
Good Shootin'
Glenn
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