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| 317.1 | tech's+tips | IOENG::TESTAGROSSA | | Thu Dec 22 1988 11:23 | 11 |
| I've only been out once, it has been within the last couple weeks!
Blew a dying rabbit call, to no avail. I've sighted dogsseveral times
deer hunting over the years.
I intend to give it more serious attention during Jan-Feb. I also
purchased a tape with my hunting partner, on calling techniques.
The one time I was calling, I was close, but I now have a better
idea of what to sound like, after listening to the tape.
I'd like to share experiences with others since this is a new ballgame
to me, I am looking foward, to keeping this communication alive.
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| 317.2 | Ammo? | DELNI::G_FISHER | | Wed Jan 11 1989 17:02 | 4 |
| re: .0 what kind of ammo do you use in your 12 guage for coyotes?
Guy
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| 317.3 | #3 or #4 shot | SCOMAN::BING | | Thu Jan 12 1989 01:58 | 18 |
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Guy,
I'll use #3 or #4 depending on how i feel. I've never shot
a coyote with this ammo but have shot fox with it and did
very little damage to the pelt. The first fox I shot I hit
with #3 and the pellets went the whole lengh of his body.
He had one right on the top of his head that dropped him in
his tracks, the majority hit him in the chest and there was even
one at the tip of his tail. I figure if it did'nt hurt the fox
pelt, espescially price wise, then it would be o.k. for coyote.
Walt
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| 317.4 | Rifles legal everywhere? | ATEAM::AYOTTE | | Thu Jan 12 1989 08:05 | 10 |
| re:.0
I'm not sure but there may be town/county restrictions on the use
of a centerfire cartridge in Mass as there is in some towns in southern
NH. Just a caution to look before leaping. I'm hoping for a little
snow cover come late February and early March before I go out and
try my hand at it. I'm thinking about using my T/C .45 Cherokee.
Can anyone recommend a good video that specializes in predator calling?
Dave
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| 317.5 | Catch 22 | KNGBUD::LAFOSSE | | Wed Jan 02 1991 11:28 | 61 |
| I took one this saturday 12/29/90 behind my In-laws house in
Leominster. There were 2 of them right behind his sheep pen, he has
had trouble with them in the past and calls me when he sees them.
I used a .270 with 130 gr SPBT @200 yds.... Dropped like a bag of rocks,
broke his neck. Not very good medicine for keeping the pelts i'm afraid...
Luckily, the exit wound was in a harmless spot and the taxidermist says
no problem. Never saw the 2nd one, must have wandered off before I got
there.
I have 2 questions....
Should I go with 80 gr SPBT out of a 6MM or 150 gr SPBT out of the .270
the next time he calls?? I'm interested in keeping the hides as hole
free as possible. Do you think the 150 grain would pass through before
expanding?
My second question is this:
When is Mass going to put into gear some kind of process for checking
in yotes taken by hunters???
I know a taxidermist who told me I had to skin it out and bring the
pelt and head to be tagged. He wanted to skin it out and see what he
had to do with the exit hole etc... So I dropped by and helped him skin
the pelt off the carcass.
The Problem I had was that upon taking the yotes pelt with head
attached to be checked, they needed the skull.... and wouldn't tag it
till they recieved it. Well in actuality they did tag it... they then
took all the info they needed from me and then asked for the skull... I
said "you just attached the tag to it". She had to make a few calls
then was told to remove the tag till i gave them the skull.
So it's back to the taxidermist I go... I should tell you that I know
this guy, I used to work for him when he owned a bow shop... He helped
me skin the hide off the head and face (something I still don't know if
I could do myself) Back to the West Boyleston headquarters I go with
the skull and hide. They tag it and it's back to the taxidermist with
the hide.
The taxidermist says "that he can't/won't work on any yotes that anyone
brings in unless their tagged". So if you don't know how to cape out a
face or skin an animal, don't plan on having a mount done. Cause you
can't have it checked unless you have a skull for the FWS, and a
taxidermist won't touch it till it's tagged.
basically your screwed... unless you know someone like I had the good
fortune to know who can do it.
The people at CWD in West Boylston say they don't know what to do about
it... as there's really no set process for hunters and their really
only geared for trapping.
Chris Thurlow (CWF) told me to call Westboro and talk with a guy there
who's supposed to be a furbearing guru. I'll let you know what happens.
Fra
BTW the thing was a male and weighed 37 lbs. Has a gorgeous red/yellow
pelt.
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| 317.6 | | CSC32::G_ROBERTS | | Wed Jan 02 1991 14:22 | 27 |
| Fra,
>I used a .270 with 130 gr SPBT @200 yds.... Dropped like a bag of rocks,
>broke his neck. Not very good medicine for keeping the pelts i'm afraid...
Now you've done it. First we're told the .270 is too little for
deer/elk. Now it's gonna be too big for 'yotes. Only gonna get to
use it once every other year for antelope. ;)
>Should I go with 80 gr SPBT out of a 6MM or 150 gr SPBT out of the .270
>the next time he calls?? I'm interested in keeping the hides as hole
>free as possible. Do you think the 150 grain would pass through before
>expanding?
I took one once with a 90 gr SPBT 6MM. Not enough of the head left
to catch on the stretcher. Same problem with the 130 gr SPBT .270
that you saw. The 150 gr should work better if you slow it down to
around 2000 fps. My .22-250 with 55 gr SPBT's still leave about 1"
exit hole. I loaded some 55 gr FMJBT's to try next time I'm out.
Glad we don't have to check them in out here. It tough sometimes
to find someone to buy them though. I won't go hunting for them
unless I've got a buyer lined up. Having them in the freezer didn't
go over well.
Gordon
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| 317.7 | buyer | STRATA::RCONWAY | | Wed Jan 02 1991 15:00 | 2 |
| contact me if your looking for a buyer, thats if your some what
"local".
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| 317.8 | Coyotes = less deer? | CSCOAC::HUFFSTETLER | | Wed Jan 30 1991 20:58 | 24 |
| This might turn into a coyote question for me, so here goes. I hunt
in an area of Georgia (Hancock county) where there's a pretty good deer
population. I've never failed to see a least one doe during each
weekend. This year, everyone in camp routinely came back without
seeing anything. I'm wondering why.
The obvious answer is "The deer moved, you idiot." I thought that at
first but there's still plenty of sign (although not as much as I'd
like). Using my extraordinary troubleshooting skills ;^) I asked "what
changed from this year to last year?" One change is that we bowhunted
the property fairly heavily for the first time this year, so maybe we
drove the deer to be more nocturnal earlier than usual.
Another change is that I saw what I believe to be a coyote and we heard
them (assumed it was a coyote) at night. I've heard the coyotes are
moving (or growing in numbers) in Georgia, so could predation be a
factor?
If some of ya'll experts say yes it'll give me another reason to be in
the woods! ;^)
Scott
PS when is coyote season in GA?
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| 317.9 | Fitchburg State College lecture | KNGBUD::LAFOSSE | | Thu Jan 31 1991 08:35 | 10 |
| My wife just informed me that her and I have a date on Feb 14th,
Valentines day... She's (get this) takink me to a lecture at Fitchburg
State College on the Eastern Coyote. What more could you possibly ask
from your wife... Boy is she coming around!!! I think i'll keep her
;^)
Not sure of the time, but i'll post it when i get more details.
Should be interesting.
Fra
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| 317.10 | more on the Lecture | KNGBUD::LAFOSSE | | Fri Feb 15 1991 16:34 | 17 |
| well we went to the lecture last night... Paul Resendez was the
speaker. Very informative, My only regret was that I couldn't stay for
the entire program, which included a slide presentation and lecture.
He will be speaking again in Amherst MA, ont he 21st of feb at the
hitchcock Center at 7:00... I would highly recommend anyone who's
interested in the Coyote (either as a hunter or just for more
information) to try and make it to one of his lectures. He can be
reached at: (508)249-8810
I did see Doug Bonin there, He could possibly relate more info on the
lecture as I had to leave early...
I'm planning to try to attend his next lecture on the 21st. He
sponsors a few tracking classes, bobcat/fox/fisher/coyote which anyone
can sign up for...
Fra
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| 317.11 | Lecture Notes | ZENDIA::BONIN | ULTRIX Security Standard | Tue Feb 26 1991 14:20 | 99 |
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> I did see Doug Bonin there, He could possibly relate more info on the
> lecture as I had to leave early...
Sure, here's an assortment of notes from the lecture:
A coyote will never challenge a human because they view
humans as dominant. This was illustrated by several slides of
a hospitalized coyote that was hit by a car somewhere on
Route 2 in Mass. The driver, thinking the animal was a dog,
brought him to the vet where the yote's right-front leg was
amputated. The close-up pictures of the dog in his hospital
quarters, the camera within inches of the animal's face,
demonstrated the coyote's submissive to humans.
In response to attacks on their population, coyotes increase
their litter sizes. Because of this, massive campaigns to
eradicate coyotes have been complete failures.
The total recorded coyote attacks on humans is something
less than a dozen. An insignificant number when contrasted to
domestic dogs which register a few million attacks per year
with several fatalities.
Packs of wild dogs are far more dangerous to humans than
coyote packs.
Domestic animal killings by coyotes are greatly exaggerated.
Sheep ranchers were found to have falsified data on coyote
predation.
Sheep dogs work.
The best slide pictured a coyote standing in a submissive
posture next to a huge cow.
Coyotes constantly watch the deer, silent and invisible. A
deer gets a leg caught in a crack in the ice--and the coyotes
suddenly appear.
Coyotes mostly feed on sick and injured deer, often bringing
the deer's suffering to a merciful end. Resendez found an old
Quabin doe that the coyotes were feeding on--so old that her
molars were worn down to the gum line.
The feature that most distinguishes the coyote from the dog
is its tail--it always points straight down.
Coyotes often hunt snowshoe rabbits in pairs. They travel 25
to 40' apart in a parallel line and occasionally cross and
trade places.
A dry river bed is an excellent place from which to stalk
animals. If deep enough, it hides you and your scent. And the
lack of dried vegetation allows for silent walking.
Resendez showed several slides taken by himself and someone
from the fish and game department. Although the slides by both
alleged "wildlife photographers" suited the purpose, don't
look for their work in Audubon magazine.
Hemlock is the most preferred cover for coyotes.
We were treated to an audio tape of Resendez calling a pack
of coyotes and prompting a chorus of howls and yips. Resendez
quite aptly described the sound as "primeval."
Resendez spent a lot of time on recognizing coyote tracks,
especially in how the tracks differ from dogs and foxes. The
most obvious difference from a dog track is the course of the
coyote track--dogs wander while coyotes travel in a straight
line.
In deep snow, coyotes will travel in a line and step in the
leader's track. With a such a trail you can't tell a pack of
two coyotes from a pack of twenty.
The Eastern coyote is actually bigger than the Western
coyote.
The presence of coydogs, coyote/dog hybreds, is largely a
myth. Successful mattings are unlikely because coyote females
are fertile for only two months and studs are only
interested in mating for those two months. And that rare
coydog bitch breeds two months earlier that a coyote bitch.
Any pups are then born in the winter. So the female coydog
effectively sterile.
There's nothing new about the Eastern Coyote. He only goes
back 30 million years--time to amass a lot of cunning and
wisdom.
To sum up, Paul Resendez's enthusiasm for coyotes is
infectious. You had to walk away liking and respecting these
ancient critters. I'm glad they're here and I can't wait to
discover my first track.
Doug
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| 317.12 | very infectious! | KNGBUD::LAFOSSE | | Tue Feb 26 1991 15:37 | 49 |
| Doug,
from your notes I see I didn't actually miss much... I was there for
the first hour and 15 minutes, and with the exeception of the audio
portion most of the info you stated I was there for... basically I was
too lazy to type it here ;^) and figured i'd hand it off to you.
One thing I am still unsure of is whether or not he's for or against
hunting them. My wife was pleading with me to not open my mouth should
he have a question and answer type of discussion after his lecture...
from the looks of the crowd, most of the people there looked like rural
residents, hikers, or just plain nature lovers... a few hunters were
there. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I had to leave early, and spared
my wife any embarrasment (hell, she knew what she was in for ;^) ) Did
he have a question and answer period Doug?
While I do agree that alot of the sheep reports were falsified, (I can
understand why now) I disagree that livestock predation is as uncommon
as he led people to believe. I have seen them in action and have seen
their handiwork first hand. My in-laws have heard reports from the
orchard workers around their residence that the workers have
(accidently?) come across yotes which have snarled and growled at them
while working in the orchard (course this probably had more to do with
their instinct to protect the young than anything else).
Sooo while they may be docile while nursing an amputated front leg,
this is not to say that they are like that in the wild. One picture
showed a Yote standing in the vacinity of a cow... This reminded me of
an article I read in Yankee (?) where a group of them kept circling a
mother and newborn calf, while protecting the calf by constantly
turning to keep an eye on things, the mother accidently trampled the
calf to death and the coyotes merely waited till the mother left then
feasted on the dead calf. They are smart bastards... and like Resendez
stated "they don't survive for 30 million years by being stupid".
I was thinking when I got to the lecture (after seeing his name on the
program) that I had read about Resendez in the HUNTING NOTES regarding
the Quabbin and the possibility of opening it for a limited hunt...
I couldn't remember whether he was for or against the hunt... I was
listening very carefully to see where his mindset was at, but in the
short time I was there I couldn't figure out if he was a hunter or
just a wildlife researcher. Soooo, basically, is the guy an anti?
Personally I love hunting them, and will put more emphasis next year
on it. They are a creature worthy of the meaning of the word "challenge"
Thanks for putting in the info Doug.
Fra
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| 317.13 | | ZENDIA::BONIN | ULTRIX Security Standard | Tue Feb 26 1991 16:51 | 24 |
| > ... basically I was
> too lazy to type it here ;^) and figured i'd hand it off to you.
Why you coyote!
> Did he have a question and answer period Doug?
Yep, but it didn't last very long. He ended precisely at 9:00
with several hands still in the air. The only question I
remember was about protecting sheep. Resendez advised the guy
to get a sheep dog and assured him that they're effective at
keeping coyotes at bay.
> Soooo, basically, is the guy an anti?
Beats me. I'd like to know before I spend any of my money on
one of his tracking programs. When he talked about the savvy
of the whitetail deer he said something like, "You hunters
know how difficult it is to get a deer." So he at least
respects us a bit. I get the sense that if he was against
coyote hunting it would be because they're still on the
comeback trail and there aren't enough of them yet!
Doug
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| 317.14 | Wile E Coyote | KNGBUD::LAFOSSE | | Wed Feb 27 1991 09:21 | 8 |
| "if he was against hunting them it would probably be because they were
still on the comeback trail and arn't enough of them yet!"
Well based on the fact that they propagate more when their heavily
hunted, what better way to help them out ;^) It would make him proud!
Fra
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| 317.15 | Got a dog problem and need help | SALEM::TOWLE_C | Corky | Thu Jul 25 1991 14:05 | 45 |
|
Got a question or 3 for all you guys.
I seem to have a pack of at least 6 coyotes/coy dogs running *real* close
to the house. Last night the chorus they started up in the back yard less
than 100 feet from the house, at about 11:30 PM was loud enough to wake the
dead! The damndest howling I've ever heard. Even scared the bejeebers out of
my dog!
I first heard them about a 2 weeks ago quite a ways away from the house and
since then they seem to be moving closer and closer to the house as time goes
by.
I mostly hear them right around sunset or a little after, then again at
right around dawn or a little before. You can almost set your watch by the
time they start in to howl it's that regular!
This past Monday morning at exactly 6:00 AM (7-22-91) they were on the far
edge of the sandpit behind my house howling up a storm! Distance according to
the tracks I saw that afternoon of 2 adults and 4 pups put them at 500 yards
from the house. I know it is exactly that far because they walked right in
front of the 500 yard backstop I use for test firing the match rifles I build.
I want to eliminate them on account of if there's dogs around, the deer go
elsewhere, (which they seem to have already done). I haven't seen the 4 fawns
or ANY deer track since the dogs started the howling.
Although having killed one once deer hunting a few years ago, I ain't never
purposely hunted these critters before so I'm looking for pointers on how to
use calls, bait, cover etc. and what might be the best way to go.
About the only thing I've thought of up to now is to buy a grocery store
whole fresh chicken, put it in a mesh bag and hang it in a tree about 10 - 15
feet up off the ground, let it ripen enough to attract them, back off a ways
and watch the bait with a 30-06.
Any help anyone can offer is appreciated.
By the way, we are talking Southeastern New Hampshire here. Kingston to be
exact.
Thanks,
Corky
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| 317.16 | | LUDWIG::BING | Criminal control NOT gun control | Thu Jul 25 1991 15:37 | 12 |
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Corky,
There are 3 other notes in here on coyotes all of which have
some real good info. They are 112,280 and 652. The author of 112.37
went into alot of detail on hunting coyotes and their habits.
Hopefully you'll find what you need in one of those notes, if nothing
else you can always invite me up in the fall to take care of the
buggers 8')
WB
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| 317.17 | Thanks | SALEM::TOWLE_C | Corky | Fri Jul 26 1991 13:47 | 14 |
| RE: <<< Note 317.16 by LUDWIG::BING "Criminal control NOT gun control" >>>
Thanks,
I cruised those notes before I put in my reply. I was mainly looking for
anything special you need to do different for hunting Eastern dogs versus
Western dogs and was in particular looking for info on what folks out here do
when it ain't deer season and they aren't normally in the woods.. :-)
I extracted the one note with all the info so hopefully that one will help.
If I do nail any, I'll be sure to post the results here.
Corky
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| 317.18 | North bound dogs | PARITY::KSBROWN | | Fri Jul 26 1991 14:57 | 8 |
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Yo Corky !
If ya push 'em into Brentwood, let me know....I'll be a waiting.
For some reason I don't think they'll make it that far though....
-Kendall
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| 317.19 | fawn decoys and calls | SALEM::MACGREGOR | | Sat Jul 27 1991 11:27 | 4 |
| I remeber reading an article awhile back about using a fawn decoy along
with a fawn in distress call. The author said it worked quite well. He
was doing this in the middle of a field.
bret
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| 317.20 | tapes wanted | LUDWIG::BING | | Mon Jan 06 1992 14:42 | 7 |
|
I'm looking to borrow someones cassette tape(s) of crows fighting
and or a predator tape. I live in Clinton and work in Hudson (MA).
If anyone has one I can borrow to make a copy of I'd appreciate
it. Thanks.
Walt
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| 317.21 | loooooooong range shooting. | 35966::GEIBELL | lost in Pennsylvania | Tue Jun 21 1994 16:53 | 38 |
|
well the first yote fell to the wifes .243 yesterday morning in Pa.
there haas been an ebundance of them down there. last fall I put a 4-16
power range finder on her gun and decided that last weekend it would be
put to the ultimate test. we baled hay friday afternoon and saturday I
sat on top of the hill at the far corner of the field.
I hadnt used the range finder much so the first chuck at 350 yrds
took 4 shots to get him.after that I was all set, I only shot 2 at 100
yrds all others were in excess of 300 yrds, the furthest chuck was 425
yrds, the one thing I did get driven home at those ranges there an be
no movement at all, you must have an absolute steady rest.
Anyways early yesterday morning ~6 am I had driven up to my spot and
there was no chucks out, I heard a turkey gobbling off in the distance
so as I sat there and listened to the turkey I was watching the field
when there on the other end of the field was a critter moving, I looked
through the glass's and it was a young yote.
I set up the rest dialed in the rangefinder and adjusted the scope,
wow 475 yrds! it walked out into the field a little ways and kinda
hunkered down like he was gonna pounce on something I steadied the gun
and put the crosshairs on the front shoulder and squeazed the trigger,
the gun fired and what seamed like 2 seconds he just fell over like the
wind blew him over. it took about 10 minutes to walk to where he was
he was pretty small ~10lbs, I hit right on the front shoulder! I think
I am gonna love that set up. the long range shots are alot of fun very
much a challange.
Weapon- remington 788 .243 4-16x rangefinder
bullet- remington factory load 100gr PSP
there was very little damage to the pelt, only about a 1/2" exit
hole. Hopefully the rest of his family says handy that field, I dug
out the calls so I will try some calling too.
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| 317.22 | Something to yip' about. | 35186::VANDENBARK | Makes me happy! | Wed Jun 22 1994 12:07 | 9 |
| Lee,
Wow, good shooting! I guess the farthest shot I ever took was a red
fox with the 06' at around 350, I hit him in the butt. Oh well, at
least I got him.
Good shot.
Wess
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| 317.23 | nit | 8817::HELMREICH | Steve | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:05 | 12 |
| <<< Note 317.21 by 35966::GEIBELL "lost in Pennsylvania" >>>
-< loooooooong range shooting. >-
> Weapon- remington 788 .243 4-16x rangefinder
Great story! - but, please - it's a FIREARM, never a WEAPON (unless you hold
up banks, etc.). Now that bolt action rifles with scopes are suddenly "sniper
rifles" we'd best use the term that best fits the object.
steve
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| 317.24 | one large yote | NCMAIL::GEIBELL | FISH NAKED | Mon Dec 18 1995 09:31 | 14 |
|
There was a very shocking picture in the local paper yesterday, well
more of a suprise than a shock.
Local hunter harvests monster coyote......81 pounds!
yeap i had to do a double take, but this thing looked like a huge
german shepard dog, but it was confirmed to be an eastern coyote, shot
ontario NY. From what i gathered from the article its supposed to be a
state record for the largest yote taken to date.
Lee
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| 317.25 | Small Wolf......... | MSBCS::MERCIER | | Mon Dec 18 1995 10:51 | 9 |
| Lee,
That Coyote probably got so big by eating all the fish carcasses
left behind by fisherman. It works for the bears on Kodiak.......
I've seen some big ones in Maine shot by hunters 50 to 60 but 80!!!
Sounds more like a cub wolf!!!!!!!
It's a bigun'
Bob M�
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| 317.26 | | NCMAIL::GEIBELL | FISH NAKED | Mon Dec 18 1995 11:19 | 12 |
|
Bob,
Well the ginna nuclear power plant is in Ontario, wonder if he
glowed in the dark? :-)))
yeap that one huge yote, it musta had some good grub to grow that
big.
Lee
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| 317.27 | ahhh Nuclear Generated...... | MSBCS::MERCIER | | Mon Dec 18 1995 13:02 | 7 |
| Well that explains it......... Just like those "Big" fish you have out
there. It was Nuclear generated........
Man, I could use a Big Steehead right about now.......(wrong conference
I know)......
Bob M�
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| 317.28 | Wile E on steroids? | ACISS2::VANDENBARK | Makes me happy! | Mon Dec 18 1995 14:00 | 9 |
| 80lbs !!!!!!
I think this one should go under the "Whopper" note....
That was one huge coyote.
Wess
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