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| 315.1 | Vermont or Maine ?? | SKIVT::WENER | | Fri Dec 16 1988 12:20 | 3 |
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Anyone out there heard what the Vermont or Maine harvest was??
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| 315.2 | | CLUSTA::VIRGIL | | Tue Dec 20 1988 11:21 | 39 |
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Taken, paraphrased, from the Worcester Telegram and Gazette, 12/18/88.
Maine:
The down East deer kill of 27,500 during the regular season
appears to be about 16 percent higher than last year. (This
seems high, maybe a miss-print? Or are there that many deer
in Maine?)
Of the number about 75% were bucks, slightly higher than the
planned ratio of males to females.
The herd is in balance with the habitat and the age structure has
remained constant....a health sign. Antler developement and body
weights were good, too.
The state feels that the any-deer permit system is moving them along
smartly toward the gaol of having 300,000 deer in Maine by the 1990s.
New Hampshire:
Deer kill for rifle season only was approximately 5,000.
Currently 40,000 deer in NH and the goal is to that number to
60,000 by early 1990s. That size herd would yeild an annual harvest
close to 10,000.
An asside, 1988 bear kill was 196, right on target.
Next year NH is planning another moose hunt, for 1989.
This year was the first such hunt in 87years. 75 permits were given
out and 57 moose were taken. This years largest bull weighed 940 LBS.
field-dressed. Estimated live weight of 1350 LBs.
That's alot of meat.
Michael
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| 315.3 | Herd Size ??? | SKIVT::WENER | | Tue Dec 20 1988 11:54 | 14 |
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I just read that Vermont's kill was around 6400 for firearms,
and around 650 for archery. The firearms kill was strictly bucks
only. I'm curious about (-.1) saying that the NH kill was around
5000, and the estimated size of the NH deer herd is around 40,000.
I'm wondering if the state of Vermont grossly overestimates
the size of their deer herd at 70,000 if the kill was only 6400.
The figures don't seem to relate to NH's. Any comments...
Also, I read an article in the Burlington Free Press (Bish Bishop)
where he spoke with an ex-Warden who apparantly is convinced VT
Bio's overestimate.....
- Rob
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| 315.4 | need to correlate factors with the numbers | ERLANG::LEVESQUE | I fish, therefore I am... | Tue Dec 20 1988 13:00 | 7 |
| Before you decide whether the number jibe or not, you have to compare
apples to apples. How long is the VT season, # of hunters, archery
season, blackpowder seasons VS NH all must be taken into consideration.
What about the sex requirements? All of these factors must be
considered when correlating the numbers.
The Doctah
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| 315.5 | more on VT stats | NACAD::LAFOSSE | | Tue Dec 20 1988 14:51 | 37 |
| rob, like the doctah said... you have to really compare apples to
apples...
vt - rifle season, bucks only
nh - buck or doe for the first 3 or 5 days?
vt - black powder, 3" minimum horns
nh - buck or doe
vt - archery, 3 weeks
nh - 3 months
when i picked up my license for muzzleloading, they were having
everyone sign a petition to keep the bucks only for another couple
of years.... they are in the process of trying to bring back the
herd to where it was during its better years.
I don't really think there is a whole lot of overestimation (no
more than normal) in the herd size, although i have seen alot more
deer in the past, and seem to be seeing fewer and fewer everyyear,
they must be getting smarter ;^)
I read an article when i was up there for muzzleloader, 42% decrease
in license sales this year.... that tell ya something????? My opinion
for the decline is: A. doe permits during the rifle for residents
in past years has left a bad taste in nonresident hunters mouths,
B. Nonresident license fees to high, C. No incentive to
muzzleload,(come on now! 3 days after the rifle season ends it
starts and you have to find antlers... [hell first year they had
a smokepole season you had to see 6 inches of bone to shoot] hard
enough to do when you have a scoped rifle never mind a iron sighted
singleshot smokepole) and D. The availibility of unposted land.
hopefully things will change, and hopefully soon...
Fra
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| 315.6 | Managing posted Land?? | SKIVT::WENER | | Thu Dec 22 1988 08:30 | 28 |
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Yeah, I guess I only really looked at the physical size of the
state being similar to New Hampshire, and the geographic area/habitat
being somewhat similar (northern hardwood/fir). I did also hear,
Fra, that the number of licence sales has decreased significantly
for out of state hunters since the late 70's. You're right too
about the posted land.
I understand that the population may be lopsided somewhat with
posted/public land in that the posted areas generally have a higher
population. I have hunted for years on Federal forest land along
the central Green Mountain spine, and have noticed things change.
For example, when permits were issued many people posted their land
because they didn't believe killing does would help the herd. This
meant that if a person drew a permit, they would have to hunt another
area to fill their tag if they previously hunted on that person's
land! Many of them came to the federal forest and filled their
permits there. The deer were slaughtered on the public land, and
the private land still held too many deer.
I wonder what techniques could be used to manage this situation
since the deer of Vermont are legally owned by the people of the
state (controlled by gov't), yet people still have the right to
post their property and keep people from hunting. Somethings wrong
with this picture????????? I haven't thought about a cure, though,
do any of you guys have any ideas for ways that could help this
situation?
Gotta go for now, Rob
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| 315.7 | VT needs to make some changes | NACAD::LAFOSSE | | Thu Dec 22 1988 12:49 | 10 |
| If the powers to be are still concerned with the number of does
in the posted areas or in the whole state for that matter, I can't
understand why they don't allow antlerless deer during the muzzleloader
season. Another thing I would like to see in the future in VT,
is to allow, a 2 deer limit during one season (i.e. If you shoot
a doe during the archery, you could get a second tag and take a
buck)... like mass handles their 2 deer season.
Fra
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| 315.8 | Great Idea! | SKIVT::WENER | | Wed Dec 28 1988 06:49 | 15 |
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Fra, Now there's a hell of an idea!!! I'd second that motion,
and I know plenty of others who would also. I have an uncle in
the state senate, I think I'll mention it to him; maybe he can
send some feelers out. I would surely give up hunting with a rifle
if I had the chance to take two deer with a bow. And I don't mind
if the second deer HAD to be filled with the regular season buck
only tag. I have learned with a bow to take the first good sized
deer that comes along, and what I ususlly see are does.
That's a great idea for the muzzleloader season as well. What
do the laws in Mass and N.H. say along these lines? Is this how
they do it?
- Rob
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| 315.9 | N.H. has 2 tags | SALEM::MACGREGOR | I'm the NRA/GONH | Wed Mar 01 1989 09:27 | 5 |
| In N.H. a hunter may shoot any deer during muzzleloader season.
But a hunter is only allowed one tag for firearms whether it be
by muzzleloader or rifle or shotgun. But a hunter may get a second
tag but to be used for archery only. Note 363 lists the 1988 deer
kill in N.H. at 6125.
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