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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

301.0. "Biggest Whitetail Ever!!" by BTO::STEVENS_J (Still Making Table Candles) Wed Dec 07 1988 17:43

    I just got an arcticle from a friend on the biggest whitetail
     ever shot. The story was printed in Out Door Life, November 1979
    issue. If any of you have not read it or remember it i can make
    copies and send them out. The hunter was Jim Jordan and it was taken
     in 1914. The buck was not credited to him until 1978. They estimate
     it to of weighed 400 pds. It shows a picture of the rack and let
    me tell ya it's BIG!!!!!! 
    
    
                Boy would i like to see a buck like this one (-:
    
    
         jeff
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301.1BTO::RIVERS_DThu Dec 08 1988 06:568
    Jeff,
    
    Is this the same issue of Outdoor Life that had the article about
    black bears being more agressive than grizzlies?  ;-)  .  Just
    kidding.  Do you remember where he got the deer?
                                                    
    
    Dave
301.2purhaps with help from the train.VELVET::GATHThu Dec 08 1988 07:4517
    
    
    The rack ended up in Nashua N.H.  Thats right, a dentist ( I forget
    his name ) bought the rack and he has it here in Nashua on a mount.
    
    A friend of mine was able to make an appointment to see it.
    
    I can find out more if anyone wishes. As I recall ( and I did
    read the article) he paid some large sum of money. I beleive it
    was over 100,000.00
    
    Also the man who shot the deer tried to get it reconized
    but sadly the governing body did not reconize this deer until 
    after his death. 
                                                               
    
    Bear
301.3I remember that articleDNEAST::GOULD_RYANI'm the NRAThu Dec 08 1988 08:476
    
    
     I read the article also. If memory serves it was shot in New York
    state and I think the rifle used was .25 cal.
    
     
301.4ERLANG::LEVESQUEI fish, therefore I am...Thu Dec 08 1988 10:164
    Can't be. Only rifles above 30 caliber are capable of putting down
    deer. :-)
    
    The Doctah (who recently read all the deer rifle notes)
301.5No. 1 typicalIOENG::TESTAGROSSAThu Dec 08 1988 10:448
    I read the article also! If MY memory serves me right it seems to
    me that the deer was shot in Missouri, or at least a state closer
    to the Missippi river. It seems I remember the author mentioning
    the fact of the fertile soil, and abundant farm land contributing
    to the bucks rack. The story also goes that this Jordan was walking
    near train tracks when the approaching train spooked the deer into
    running, and thats when he shot and killed the it. Don't recall
    what caliber rifle was mentioned!
301.6BOOTES::KEYESThu Dec 08 1988 11:162
    Bad Jeans!
    
301.7Now you've done itDNEAST::GOULD_RYANI'm the NRAThu Dec 08 1988 12:197
    
    
     Now my curiosity is REALLY stoked up. I'll have to look though
    my old OL mags and see if I can find the story. I do remember 
    the story mentioning that the monster was spooked by an oncoming
    train. Man, to drop a deer like that .......
     Oh well, maybe next year. 
301.8Jeff started it!IOENG::TESTAGROSSAThu Dec 08 1988 12:253
    Jeff already said he had the article handy. Jeff why don't you clear
    some of this up by elaborating on where it was shot, caliber rifle
    and so on for us. Thanks
301.9SALEM::PAPPALARDOI'm the NRA/GONHThu Dec 08 1988 12:347
    Jeff, I'll take a copy.
    
                                                  Thanks Guy,
                                                    NIO/L10
    
    P.S. Anyone see the Jan. issue of
    N.A. Whitetail, check out the MONSTER on the cover.
301.10Iowa Corn Fed BucksNEBVAX::PAPPALARDOI'm the NRAThu Dec 08 1988 12:426
    
    Ive heard in Iowa its not unheard of to take whitetails of the 300#
    class. Seems the soybean and corn farms which is most of the states
    industry have unknowingly contributed to the fact. 
    
    Rick
301.11Place and Gun!!BTO::STEVENS_JStill Making Table CandlesThu Dec 08 1988 13:4413
    O.K.  Here it goes.........
    
    
         The monster was shot in Sandstone Minnesota.
    
             The gun was a Model 1892 Winchester .25/20
    
      
    
                    The rest you'll have to read.....Ha-Ha in suspence????
    
    
               jeff
301.12Is the 25/20 to much for deer?FLYSQD::NIEMII'm the NRAThu Dec 08 1988 14:094
    I guess the guy didn't know you can't kill a deer with a 25/20
    :^).......
    
    sjn
301.13did he read my note?WFOOFF::DRUMMThu Dec 08 1988 19:165
    	Hmmmmmmmm   must of read my note "To Shoot Em Streight"
    
    	;^)
    
    	Steve
301.14Should've used a cannonSKIVT::WENERFri Dec 09 1988 10:247
    
    
    	Yeah, but he had to shoot him more than once, and I believe
    he finally killed him with his last cartridge....  
    
    - Rob
    
301.15The .25 CaliberNEBVAX::PAPPALARDOI'm the NRAFri Dec 09 1988 11:3133
    
                             T H E  .25'S
                             - - -  -----
    
    CARTRIDGE           BULLET            MUZZLE            MUZZLE
                    WEIGHT(GRAINS)    VELOCITY(FPS)    ENERGY(FOOT-POUNDS)
    
    25/20               86               1460                407
                                         
    25/35              117               2230               1292
    256 Winch.          60               2760               1015
    250 savage          87               3030               1773
                       100               2820               1765
    257Roberts         100               3000               1998
                       117               2780               2009
    25/06remington      87               3440               2286
                       100               3230               2316
                       120               2990               2382
    257weatherby       87                3825               2826
                       100               3555               2806
                       117               3300               2829
                       120               3290               2884
    
    The glory years of the 25 was the two decades bracketing the turn
    of the century. During that era, there were upward of a dozen different
    25's only two of which are still being made. The others are like
    actors of the silent movies-once popular but now forgotten. Few
    people have ever heard of the 25 Rimfire but in the 1900's it was
    pretty hot stuff- a super rimfire cartiridge.
    
    Rick....
    
                                            
301.16CORECTION????BTO::STEVENS_JStill Making Table CandlesThu Dec 15 1988 14:0514
    
    
        I just got some info back in the mail... 
    
    
     The largest whitetail ever taken was in or around  Danbury Wisconsion.
    
    
                Sorry for the wrong info.  I had to check it out with
    a friend in who works for Mass  DWF            
    
    
    
             JEFF
301.17Official scoreXCUSME::NEWSHAMI'm the NRAThu Dec 15 1988 22:308
    
    
    	For the record, the Deer officially scored 206 1/8. Also the
    largest nontypical class Whitetail was taken in 1981. It's official
    score was  333 7/8.
    
    
    	Red
301.18Is it apples to apples.... or deer to deer?ATEAM::AYOTTEMon Feb 06 1989 15:0615
      Didn't know if this question belonged here but......
    Does anyone know what states form the boundary for claiming live
    weight for deer versus dressed weight.  I ask this question because
    although I know the deer are smaller in the warmer climates (exceptions
    I'm sure) it is misleading when you read articles about the deer
    hunting.  Also, is there an equation to determine what the live
    weight is in these states.  As I'm sure nobody brings in their deer
    undressed (except for one unfortunate hunter that took his first
    deer this past fall, but thats a different story).  I believe that
    in the state of Maine you can qualify for the big buck status even
    though your deer doesn't weigh 200 pounds because they add 15% for
    the heart/lungs/liver which are usually removed in the field.
    
    Dave
    
301.19A new Vt state record...BTOVT::MORONGMon Nov 20 1989 08:1812
      There was an article in the Burlington Free Press yesterday about
    a guy who bagged the new Vt state record buck this year. They have
    only been keeping these records since the early 1980's, so I'm sure
    bigger ones were taken previously, but this one was big. It was a 
    269lb 8-pointer, taken in the Northeasty Kingdom (around Granby). Got
    it the second day of the season. The weird part is that the rack looked
    (picture in the paper) too small for the deer. It only had a 17"
    spread. One of my hunting partners got a 205lb 8-pointer 5 years ago
    that had around a 20" spread, so the 17" spread seems a bit small to
    me.
    
    -Ron-