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Title:The Hunting Notesfile
Notice:Registry #7, For Sale #15, Success #270
Moderator:SALEM::PAPPALARDO
Created:Wed Sep 02 1987
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1561
Total number of notes:17784

38.0. "Whitetail Tips" by CGVAX2::HATFIELD () Fri Sep 25 1987 16:55

    How about a note on tips to beat the elusive whitetail?
    I can start with an article from Outdoor Life on masking scents.
    "Scents are easily produced by the alcohol-extraction method.This
    procedure involves steeping various dried aromatic wild plant material
    in an ethyl alcohol dilutent. What you end up with is a concentrated
    extract.A manufactured dilutent is used by commercial perfumers
    to extract essential plant essences,but ethyl alcohol;[either pure
    grain spirits or regular 100 proof vodka]works fine and at much
    less cost.(Rubbing alcohol and wood alcohol are not suitable)
    First collect plant materialthat are typical of the area you'll
    be hunting.Pine spruce and fir needles,juniper berries,oak leaves,moss
    sage and other native materials are effective.Dry all of these
    thoroughly before use.
    Crush,crumble, or grind the selected material.Fill a clean GLASS
    jar half full of the material. Use only one type of plant per jar_
    several can be blended later after the process is completed.
    Cover the plant material with alcohol and cap tightly.Keep the jar
    in a dark place and shake daily.Some of these extractions yield
    suitable strenghts in just aweekor two.Others may require three
    or more months. If a certain formulafails to develop in four months
    discard and start again.
    After steeping the the extract must be filtered.Use two or three
    paper coffee filtersto strain into a small jar or bottle for storage.
    Medicine bottles with applicators are available at any drug store.
    They will store indefinitely.
    
    Certain plant substances may produce an allergic reaction in some
    people always use caution,To minimize any possible risk always apply
    scents to clothing, never directly to the skin.
    
    
    O.K. Who else has something that increase the odds in our favor.I'm
    sure its 100/1 against us now.
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38.1FOX PEEDECEAT::HELSELFri Sep 25 1987 17:1412
    Are you sure that wasn't in Field and Stream?
    
    I was reading a similar article there.  It looked like a lot of
    work.  I use Fox Piss.  It comes in a jar.  I took one whiff and
    decided it would cover up my scent.....and anybody with me.
    
    I have to keep it in the garage, though.   
    
    Is there any bad feedback on this stuff or better suggestions. 
    This is something I'd be interested in hearing about.
    
    Brett.
38.2"What about your rifle.....?"NISYSI::SKIPJACKMon Sep 28 1987 10:4730
                I found a product that is fantastic to use. It's a body
    deodorizer. You shower with it and it eliminates any scent produced
    from sweating. It somehow doesn't allow the chemical reaction which
    occurs when you sweat, to happen. You still sweat, of course, but
    there is no odor. This enhances any masking scent you might use and
    greatly increases it's function. I for one will only use a natural
    scent. Such as that are produced by a doe that is in the estros
    cycle.  They are more expensive, but worth it. I guess cover-up scents
    are practical and add a slight advantage when used properly. I do not
    reccommend using, lets say, an apple scent when there isn't an orchard
    around for miles. Deer are not stupid,(all the time), and I believe
    if all of a sudden they get a big whiff of apple in an area that had
    never had apples before. This would only confuse or alarm them. This
    is only my opinion, of course. Some people believe the exact opposite.
             Also, what about your rifle or shotgun you are using? Most
    gun cleaning solvents and oils stink. I found a solution. It's a gun
    masking lubricant. It comes in pine and cedar. There is a bore cleaner
    and a plain lubricant available. They both work great. They are a lit-
    tle expensive also, but worth it.
             As far as my hunting clothes go, I first wash them in either
    the deoderizer, which I mentioned before, or just plain old baking
    soda. Then I air dry them outside for a couple of days. I will then
    put them in a box with pine boughs or cedar chips, you know, something
    natural. Seal it up until I need them. Sounds like alot of trouble,
    but when you are after whitetails you need all the extra help you can
    get. These are just a few of the things I do to increase my chances. 
    Hope they help out. I'll gladly take any other tips I can get!
                      Good luck in the field!
    
                           Bob Allore
38.3PATIENCE IS THE KEY?NEBVAX::PAPPALARDOMon Sep 28 1987 14:2193
    Tips you say,ok let me start out by given some tips that i have
    learned over the years myself, because as i'm sure you all have said
    that what you read from these hunting books(rags) only give a broad
    view and mostly from the west,ive often read articles that were
    good and i'm sure the author was correct but many times these guys
    hunt out west were they can not only see great distances but have
    the money to hire a guide to show them not only where the deer are
    but take them by the hand over a ridge and say(theres a nice buck
    shoot)also i see some great pictures by lenord lee rue but there
    mostly from areas such as texas or other western states that a good
    telephoto lens will capture deer from just about anywhere he sets
    it up.ever notice very few hunting shows or pictures come out of
    the northeast,i belive this is because it takes to much time and
    effort to see a deer in these parts as compared to the west,i am
    not saying that the west is a hunters haven but i belive it is a
    LITTLE more easy to see deer.Here in the northeast and i'm talking
    Maine,N.H.,VT.,MASS.its a little different from what i read.the
    following tips are all things ive learned from hunting maine and
    new hampshire and i hope they will help the readers of this file.
    Oh one more thing,i'm not putting you western hunters down but for
    anyone who has never hunted maine,nh,vt let me just say we have
    more wilderness than you might think,not as much as the west but
    if you have never been here you would have to see it to belive it.
    
    Now lets get going,
    
    Scouting: a lot of hunters scout a month before the deer season
    starts, but to tell you the truth this is the wrong time to scout,the
    proper time, is after the season in,DEC,JAN, when the snow is on
    the ground and the full rut is now happening.this time of year will
    show you,(because of the snow)like reading a book on where the deer
    are feeding and where they go during the day,this we found out one
    year after the season where they went and the following year resulted
    in two fine deer on opening day and also a new area that lasted
    3 years.you see all summer and early fall the deer were hanging
    in one certain area but once the pressure was on them they changed
    areas and only left tracks the new area was three(3)miles thru the
    woods from where they hung all summer,it was kind of a refuge for
    them.I still scout a month before but try this for next year.the
    way we found the area was after the season when it snowed try to
    find a set of tracks and follow we did and jumped about 14 deer
    thought i was at the city zoo.
                                  
    WIND DIRECTION:wind direction is often stated and should be a
    concern,but here in the northeast the wind blows in four different
    directions, either all the time or every 30 seconds,so yes be concerned
    but don;t over do it as it is mostly a waste of time,the biggest
    concern i have found is Movement,movement will give you away in
    a heartbeat,ive had many,many deer stand there and look right at
    me sniffing but as long as i did not blink an eye 90% of the time
    they thought i was a tree,the other 10% oh well what can i say.but
    as to wind and scents be concerned but remember movement is #1.
    
    STILL HUNTING:still hunting as we know is deer hunting on the
    move(walking)how do you walk up on a deer when the woods are dry
    and its like walking on potato chips(YOU DONT)what you do is take
    a stand.but if the conditions are right like after a rain you can
    do it,but remember PATIENCE is the key.while still hunting you must
    remember to walk like a deer(how the hell do you do that)have you
    ever watched deer really watched them,they take 2 to 3 steps stop
    look listen,so you do the same 2 - 3 steps but always plan your
    move ,get to a tree or bush before you stop and never look down
    alway look into the woods as farrrrr as you can see and look behind
    every bush,tree,rock,branch,stump,before you move and don't look
    for the whole deer lok for parts.This method has worked for me more
    than once.
    
    SITTING: stand hunting has got to be the most boring hunting method
    there is, but its also the most sucessful.always try to take a stand
    behind a tree or in a spruce or hemlock always try to conceal yourself
    and clear all leaves and sticks from beneath your feet so as you
    can move and turn if need be,also always make sure you have at least
    two or three clear shooting lanes,and keep your movement down to
    a min.and if you should see a deer use that tree for a rifle prop
    to create a more steady shot.
    
    
    GUNS:i am not going to recommend a rifle for deer in this notes
    file because you know why.what i will say is that dont think of
    that quick second shot,the first shot is the most important and
    should be taken with great concern,always place that shot and squezzze
    that trigger,youll know by reading the animals signs if you hit
    him or not and if you should hit him and he runs off take your time
    dont push him you'll find em closer than you think.all the deer
    ive taken was one shot.havent bought any ammo for 10 years.
    
    All the above methods are my own opinion and true life accounts
    of how i have hunted and taken deer mainly in New Hampshire.I do
    belive if anyone applys some of this to his or her hunting tactics
    your chances for deer success will increase.
    
    GOOD HUNTING,
    RICK.....
38.4Scent is #1TWOBOS::LAFOSSEMon Sep 28 1987 15:1140
    re:.3
    While I agree 100% with alot of the things you have said, I have
    to disagree with a couple of points.
    
    In the northeast I hunt (VT,NH,MA) the FULL rut is on in November,
    not DEC/JAN, while there is some breeding still going on then, it
    is mostly only the does which havn't been serviced during the main
    rut in Nov. As you know, does are only in heat less than a day,
    which is why bucks are constantly on the move for a piece of ass
    during the November timeframe.
    
    Also regarding scouting, yes it is true that scouting after the
    season is the best time, but not because of feeding patterns. Basically
    you scout after the season to see which bucks have made it through
    the season.  When the snow flies, and in our parts we had plenty
    last year, feeding patterns change drastically. Deer tend to yard
    up, and its not uncommon for them to run in herds. I hunt very
    aggresively in Vt, and the rifle season ends the weekend after
    thanksgiving, DEC/JAN scouting would buy me nothing, as the deer
    are feeding on anything they can find, and have all yarded up, any
    scouting then would be a waste of time as the season ends before
    December, and feeding hasn't changed drastically, other then deer
    seemingly disappearing during the season. Come the time when hunters
    are invading the woods, I think its safe to say that the deer are
    gonna head for the thickest shit they can find, and sit tight till
    the coast is clear... hunting these areas is probably your best
    bet.
    
    Another is scent/wind direction.... this is by far the most important
    factor, not movement.  You can sit tight all day long in the woods
    and not move a muscle, but if your smelling up the whole place and
    the air currents are moving that scent around, you can bet your
    not gonna see anything. Wind direction tends to change alot in these
    parts, but you have to plan accordingly. Being up in a tree is one
    way to keep deer from smelling you to a minimum. 
    
    So while you had some very good points, these were the ones i disagree
    with.
    
    Fra   
38.5NO SMELL !!!WALLAC::M_MOORETHE MOOSE IS LOOSETue Sep 29 1987 16:2717
    re:.2
    
    I am very interested in the products you spoke about, could you
    supply the name of the products and possibly the address. I have
    been concerned about the SMELL of my gun solvents and oils for years
    but have yet to find a solution.

    I would also like to add that when ever I hunt any deer I prefer
    to wear full camoflage (where law permits). I have had deer and
    elk stare point blank at me and they have not been alarmed. I do
    though tie fluorescent orange tape above my stands to alert other
    hunters of my presents.
    
                                      Mark
    
    
    
38.6"Here's the address...."MUSTNG::SKIPJACKWed Sep 30 1987 08:0315
                 This is the address:
                  Country Cover Inc.
                  P.O. Box 160
                  Storrs, Conn. 06268
    
           The product is called: Crouse's Masking Bore Cleaner/Gun
    Lubricant. I believe it comes in pine and cedar scent. They both
    work great. This is all I use now for my rifle and shotguns. I'm
    sure if you write to them they can tell you who carries it in your
    area, or you can order from them directly. I also would suggest
    using the Body Deoderizer. My partner and I use it and we couldn't
    believe that we didn't smell like sweat-hogs after a hard days hunt.
            Hope this helps out. We need every edge we can get! Know
    what I mean? Good luck in the field.
                                         Bob Allore
38.7HPSCAD::BPUISHYSBob PuishysWed Sep 30 1987 09:422
    Hay if you do write them post it here for all to see!
    
38.8This will definetly be the year!NETWRK::GSMITHWed Sep 30 1987 18:0217
    I think that that different hunting tactics must be applied in
    different areas and states. If you hunt in Mass, unless you have
    some private land, there are soooooooo many hunters in unposted
    land in the Berkshires and other popular spots that still hunting
    is probably the way to go. Let someone else push a buck into your
    stand, rather than you pushing one into soebody else, unless it's
    a party thing..... (can't 'drive' in MA). In Maine there is a whole
    lot more open wilderness, so tracking, moving might be a better
    method in some areas.
    
    I am an experienced hunter, but don't pretend to be very suceessful,
    as I am still looking for my first buck, and I have been hunting
    for about 12 years. (Not ABOUT 12 years, it is 12 years). Well...
    I LOVE the outdoors, and am still happy just to be able to get the
    chance at a deer.
    
      Smitty