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Conference vicki::boats

Title:Powerboats
Notice:Introductions 2 /Classifieds 3 / '97 Ski Season 1267
Moderator:KWLITY::SUTER
Created:Thu May 12 1988
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1275
Total number of notes:18109

1223.0. "OMC 460 Stall problem" by NETCAD::SWEET () Mon Jun 19 1995 13:46

    I have a low speed idle problem (stalls at idle to 1000rpm), when in
    gear usually after the engine is warm. Last year I fixed it with a new
    set of points and now after another set of new points this spring it
    is a happening again. I suspect I will find out the points are some
    what burned and change them again this week. Anyone know why the
    points are getting burned so quickly. Or any other suggestions. Last
    year when this happened I had the carb rebuilt and changed every
    electrical component and the only thing that made a difference was
    the point change. This spring as part of the usual spring tune up
    I changed points, plugs, wires, cap, rotor. The engine easily restarts
    after it stalls.
    
    It is a 1987 OMC 460 ford
    
    
    Bruce
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1223.1COOKIE::FROEHLINThere's life after �DEL [*...]*.*;*Mon Jun 19 1995 14:505
    Maybe the capacitor between the points is disconnected or kaputt.
    The capacitor is there to reduce the sparks and so the burn-out of the
    points.
    
    Guenther
1223.2NETCAD::SWEETTue Jun 20 1995 11:336
    The good/bad news is I replaced the points (not the condensor but that
    was new in the sping) and the problem remains. Looks like its time
    for professional help.
    
    Bruce
    
1223.3Pointing fingers?KAHALA::SUTERNever too Hot!Tue Jun 20 1995 11:5423
Bruce,

	Typically the points can be prematurely burned if the ignition
is left on, w/o the engine running. Have you taken a look at them, are
they really fried? Are they gapped correctly? How about the hold-down
screw, any chance that it's stripped or on it's way to being stripped?
All the electrical connections ok? Any cracks or moisture in the cap?

	For years, (well at least the years that points were still
used in cars!) I'd use a point file in order to get a car running better
until the points could be replaced. This always worked fine as long as
I was careful and didn't leave the contacts rounded or any other shape
that wouldn't allow a flat surface mating. The Prestolite in my 351
PCM is not as easy going. I tried the same trick on it once and instead
of clearing up an occasional miss at 2500 rpms, it wouldn't even start.
Very picky about it's points!

	If the points are ok, I might start nosing around the vicinity of
the distributor. How many hours on this motor? Any play in the distributor
shaft? How are the lobes that drive the points? Any wear?

Rick

1223.4A couple of guesses.......NETCAD::NPARETue Jun 20 1995 13:1614

	Bruce,

 Many moons ago when engines had points, the condensor and the ballast
 resistor were the only things that would cause the points to fry. The
 condensor prevent arcing and the ballast resistor allows the engine to
 start at 12v and drop to 7v while running. Which brings up the possibility
 of the ignition circuit (ie: switch, starter relay to return to normal
 running position). Check if the ignition switch returns all the way by
 itself.

	Norm

1223.5Something to look into maybe ?FOUNDR::DODIERSingle Income, Clan'o KidsWed Jun 21 1995 11:318
    	Bruce,
    
    	Is there an after market solid-state ignition that you could
    install to just eliminate the points all together ? Might be worth
    looking into. They're typically more reliable and for what it costs 
    per hour for a mechanic, may wind up being the same cost.
    
    	Ray
1223.6Distributer make?SUBSYS::CHESTERWed Jun 21 1995 15:459
    You might try looking in some hot rod/racing catalogs such as SUMMIT
    for aftermarket electronic ignition.  Post the type of distributer and
    I will look if there is anything in my Summit catalog.
    
    I have had good luck with two Malory ignition modules I put on a couple
    of Crusader  350's a couple of years ago.
    
    KC
    
1223.7NETCAD::SWEETThu Jun 22 1995 17:323
    the ignition is a prestolite.
    
    Bruce